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Shaiyan Hossain's avatar

I too have a short attention span but i do find the use of LLMs to condense things to summarize the key parts, like ToS and privacy policies, or a long scientific article

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Dave Ryan's avatar

I guarantee I would rip someone a new one if I was sent a response written by that crap at work. If I recognized it. And I wasn’t retired.

Come to think of it, since many can’t string a coherent sentence together— if suddenly they could, I would know it was this BS doing the talking!

tinman93's avatar

On the other hand, if some of the recent college grads who apply to positions that I have posted would use it to put together their resumes so I wouldn’t have to wade through something that is an embarrassment to higher education, it would feel like a bit of a relief.

Dave Ryan's avatar

The last time I hired somebody was probably ’16. Errors and poorly written resumes were always an easy first cut. If they’re using this, they might make the interview stage— waste of your time.

I contemplated doing freelance resume work; but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I didn’t want to be some meathead’s smoke screen.

tinman93's avatar

That is exactly what I used to do. The sad thing is that we have such a shortage in our field that I now often have to overlook that in many cases in order to even find potential candidates to interview.

Dave Ryan's avatar

Wow. That is incredibly sad.

sgeffe's avatar

So onboarding now includes enough English training--writing, not reading--for the candidate to be able to construct an Email or process documentation at a high school-graduate level! Or should!

We are truly fucked, aren’t we?! 🤦‍♂️

Ice Age's avatar

I wrote resumes for 10 years. You get into a piecemeal mindset that never lets you relax.

Shortest Circuit's avatar

Hope you have brushed up on your Voight-Kampff test questions.

Chuck S's avatar

a Blade Runner reference in the column AND the comments. bravo

Jack Baruth's avatar

That would have been the obvious outcome back in 1925, but today's humans have been meekly adjusted to the needs of the systems.

Ice Age's avatar

"If you tell it to “Write a response to an email from my homeowners association, explaining that I am not going to stop performing simulated oral sex on the statue of Lucy Lawless that I bought from Wish.com and put out in front of my bedroom window,”

And THIS is why I read your Substack, Jack.

Feel free to sign me up for another year's subscription.

Henry C.'s avatar

There may be a market for a life-size, anatomically correct Lucy with which to perform described acts, but Jack would hardly be the target demo.

Ice Age's avatar

I really should tell you some time about when a good friend of mine, one night at the restaurant he managed, got an irate call from the father of one of the comely teenaged lasses that waited his tables, that began with the words, "YOU WANNA TELL ME WHY YOUR GUYS WERE SEXUALLY HARASSING MY DAUGHTER WITH AN INFLATABLE FUCK SHEEP???!!!"

Dave Ryan's avatar

How would ChatGPT answer that?

Jack Baruth's avatar

Probably an indignant diatribe about assuming the animal's gender.

Ark-med's avatar

"Feel free to sign me up for another year's subscription. "

To adapt Buckley: "_You_ sign yourself up!"

gt's avatar

Not gonna lie I scrolled through this post "ok more computer stuff." Then I saw in the comments Lucy Lawless being discussed.... *now* we're talking

TL's avatar

I’m going to have to reread this one tomorrow as I am too filled with joy to be able to ponder deeper meanings. I have discovered that I can respond to every single piece of correspondence from the petty tyrants of my HOA in iambic pentameter. Oh joyous day!

Ice Age's avatar

I only laugh at things that're antisocial, dangerous, individualistic and/or well said, and the idea of some perv doing a statue of some celebrity babe in full view of the neighborhood...

I haven't laughed that hard since I found out they're remaking "The Toxic Avenger" with Peter Dinklage in the title role.

CLN's avatar

Call me an elf one more time... oooh, he’s an angry elf...

Lynn W Gardner's avatar

Jack how do I get the LLM to write my messages to the HOA, they get offended to all my messages written in the voice of David Berry maybe a computer generated message would be less upsetting to their idea that my communicatioins creates a hostile work (???) place.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Who would have thought the sanest man in America was living in the woods

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

What do you have against David Gelerntner? I like how Gelerntner told Time magazine to fuck off when they wanted him to do a point-counterpoint with Ted K. 'You want me to debate the guy who crippled and tried to kill me?!!"

Jack Baruth's avatar

Nothing at all. I'm just saying that history will conclude that Ted was right. His methods were ridiculous, but what would you expect from an academic?

silentsod's avatar

"It can only add unnecessary complexity"

From what I can tell this is the entire thrust of the "value add" apps that every fucking company from here to Timbuktu has to have.

Though I can't say that's an original thought on my part I find it true. As ever the least capable are most damaged by these "helpful" technological intermediaries.

Ice Age's avatar

We can try "valued subtract."

It's pretty much a blanket description of my whole work history.

sgeffe's avatar

I think it’s apps in general!

My God, some of these things are over 300 MB! And they’re constantly being updated! I don’t have an unlimited data plan on my cell phone, and a 3mpbs down DSL (or whatever it is), so it takes a bit of time to download those suckers!

I suppose it’s just more spyware, but at least with Apple, I think they’re the least objectionable in terms of selling your soul! I’m trying to think if I have a Google account--I don’t think so!

If you aren’t paying for a product, YOU are the product!

Henry C.'s avatar

There's a lot of hand-wringing that 'AI' is going to 'take all our jobs'. What it really means, is that if it really can do your job then your job is probably not needed at all in the first place. 'Learn to code'.

Ice Age's avatar

If your job wasn't done by a cat or a boa constrictor in a Richard Scarry book, then you're probably not that important.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Comment of the YEAR

CLN's avatar

Lowly Worm on a business card would probably be less sus than “peon.”

unsafe release's avatar

Watch your step, Mr Rabbit

sgeffe's avatar

Those books were pretty cool!

Steve R's avatar

We have a winner! No mote calls please.

S2kChris's avatar

I asked ChatGPT two basic questions about a commodity market and an adjacency the other day, related to my job, and it gave me an answer to both like a kid who read maybe the headings in last night’s assigned readings and nothing more. The information was outdated, irrelevant, incorrect, and so generic as to be useless. My job is safe for a while longer.

“The price for [food commodity X] has declined dramatically over the last 9 months, why has demand for this commodity not increased?”

“Why did [large group of businesses] all reduce their purchase of [commodity] suddenly in April?”

Keith's avatar

Everyone wants it to do this. I recall a comment saying it kept finance related information about 6 months old intentionally.

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sgeffe's avatar

That’s actually good to know and a bit of a relief!

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

While I suppose that AI could eventually code, I don't think it could ever weld or plumb.

TL's avatar

In my mind the concern is less that it really can do my job, and more that it can in the short term make some senior manager think that it can do my job because he has no idea what I really do. The end result for me is the same.

Joe's avatar

Everything that is written will be read in the abstract.

Ice Age's avatar

Just an aside, but stuff like this is why you DON'T want X-ray vision.

You'd be rolling down the street, on your way to the store, casually looking into people's houses and you'd see some naked fat dude in his bedroom fucking a five-cheese burrito.

And your whole day's shot.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Oh yeah, that would be terrible... do you have that address?

Ice Age's avatar

I'm starting to understand why space aliens want to invade Earth and wipe us out...

Mike's avatar

I read the first line and immediately thought of something more hideous, and my whole day was shot.

dejal's avatar

What's wrong with a five-cheese burrito?

Dave Ryan's avatar

It just seems to be another way for people to get more lazy and stupid. And frankly, there’s already enough of both around.

I’m still astounded that our esteemed VP had some sort of AI summit. The mind boggles. How about asking for a summary of one of her “speeches”? Can a computer commit suicide?

sgeffe's avatar

That might happen if you asked for the greatest speeches and pearls of wisdom from AOC! 🤢🤮

Ice Age's avatar

You just used "AOC" and "pearls of wisdom" in the same sentence?

Huh.

David Florida's avatar

Thirty years ago my favorite prof showed us the latest version of a 2D electromagnetic modeling package and commented that it did the job that eight guys had done all day, prior to electronic computing. It's a pity that Spiro Agnew wasn't assigned the task of crafting a response to the automation of Finite Element Analysis. The world needed the laughs!

Ice Age's avatar

"I predict that in the future, computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times as large and only the five richest kings of Europe will be able to afford them."

Yeah, if only.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Interpolation is always going to be more accurate than extrapolation.

JKA's avatar

The same with the reliability of deductive reasoning over inductive reasoning.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

"iambic pentameter"

C'mon Mr. English major. Now you're showing off.

sgeffe's avatar

I accomplished something today, though. I know from college speech class that “dyadic” communication is between two people, but I didn’t know what the equivalent is if you’re talking to an inanimate object, like a computer, when you’re instructed to “converse” with a computer on the other end of the phone! It’s “monadic!” 👍

Spaniel Felson's avatar

Monads in the Avoidable Contact comments section.

We've seen it all. Time to pack it up and go home.

sgeffe's avatar

Thankfully “m,” not “g,” as the first letter!

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

“An order that can be misunderstood, will be misunderstood.” - Napoleon

"Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you.” - Karl Popper

Does Popper's comment apply to LLM? Is there a way, short of using formal programming languages, to make sure that a computer fully understands the input?

Gene's avatar

I stopped having any real interest in tech once I got bored with my PS2 so this is probably a dumb question.

If AI is nothing more than a super deluxe lefty text generator why is this guy so bent out of shape?

https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

From writing legal documents to ending humanity seems like kind of a big leap. What am I not understanding?

Spaniel Felson's avatar

Yud is all bent out of shape because he has made a career out of getting attention with regards to these matters.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Holy shit that guy is an idiot. Did he just write that we can't be sure GPT systems aren't CONSCIOUS?

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Gene's avatar

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2023/03/23/how-to-be-a-technology-charlatan/

Funnily enough Yudkowsky features in the Locklin piece. I feel better now. Back to stroking the prompts for just the right literotica piece.

sgeffe's avatar

Not sure if I would’ve used that adverb in that particular context!

Matt's avatar

That is a brilliant idea.

Spaniel Felson's avatar

A horrifying number of people in positions of power and authority are convinced that these things are conscious or pre-conscious.

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Ice Age's avatar

THAT is profound and well-stated.

Ice Age's avatar

But legal documents WILL be the death of us.

Spaniel Felson's avatar

Thank you for the kind words, Jack; as well for expanding on some of my thoughts in new and horrifying, but ultimately enlightening, directions.

AK47isthetool's avatar

That's a lot of words for "I wish I thought of the Lucy Lawless sex doll."

Spaniel Felson's avatar

"That's a lot of words" is going to be my epitaph.

MD Streeter's avatar

I thought it already was, what with the whole horse thing.

Spaniel Felson's avatar

Never forget 🪦

silentsod's avatar

I refrained from calling you Mr. Horse Lover elsewhere but now I see that was a mistake.

Ice Age's avatar

Back to Sarah Jessica Parker I see...

(Sigh)

sgeffe's avatar

I thought your nom de plume was used in Jack’s “Car And Streeter” stuff at the insurance company which shall not be named!

I thought that writer was driving something nuclear powered, lost control, and hit an elementary school, then a fission reaction spontaneously occurred, and took out the surrounding subdivision! 😬

Ice Age's avatar

Oh yeah. 50s Tesla.

That's OBVIOUSLY not how you build an automotive reactor. Everybody knows that.