As the saying goes: "Few races are won in Turn 1... but many are lost there". To be fair, looking at PER's in-car, it did look like an open door... but he shut the door on himself by crashing into LEC...
...I know Jack beats up on HAM, I also don't agree with HAM's social justice grievance brand... but he's clearly still a champion driver. His pass for P2 was thrilling...
Agree. Maybe I should have said, "champion-level". I think he's in own head at this point... he's not winning like he used to, so people tend to either self-evaluate or start blaming everything else. Probably some of both in HAM's case...
He's old. I am one year older than Sir Ham and I can't get out of bed without something hurting. I don't have a guy who can get me adrenochrome on speed dial but I bet the reflexes and timing aren't what they used to be for him. Or he's always been overrated and it was always the car. I'll go with #2 cause I don't like him.
If I owned ANY professional sports team, I wouldn't tolerate any activism from any of my employees, leftist or conservative. People watch sports to escape from life's bullshit, especially politics.
I don't care. Any talk of George Floyd or Hunter Biden AND YOU'RE GONE. There are ten thousand others who'd gladly take your place, and sooner or later I'd find one who's not an obnoxious ingrate.
Hamilton rages against life's unfairness, oblivious to the fact that that same unfairness grants him millions of dollars a year to do nothing more beneficial to society than to drive a fucking race car.
Then sports journalists will write lies about you and try and make your life very difficult. There's not a more contemptible creature on the planet than sports journalists. They make regular journalists look honest and ethical
Just look at how much endorsement money Hamilton commands, compared to what his identically credentialed, better-looking, and just as quick teammate Rosberg got.
Another boring Mexican Grand Prix, but it created some great talking points:
-Red Bull seems to be the only team capable of learning from past races in F1. We’ve seen for years in the Pirelli era that the undercut + low fuel load in Mexico always works, the tires don’t degrade in clean air! Ferrari and Merc again caught sleeping while Max took off without a sweat. No one is beating Red Bull as a constructor for the remainder of these regulations.
-Brazil is the best chance for someone to win, probably Lewis. Hoping we get a 1v1 clash between him and Max this Sunday. George, like Checo after Baku, looks like he can’t handle the new direction of a car with a lively rear end.
-With the World Cup heading to Saudi Arabia in 2034, how much longer before a Saudi-funded F1 team comes in and basically wins everything with money doping and under-the-table development? They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?
"They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?"
I think you can make the argument that "the rules" were simply financial gatekeeping on the part of the people who had control of the playing field and the talent.
The first few years of a Saudi team would be uncomfortably reminiscent of "Force India", I think.
This sounds like us (Sri Lanka). We're big on Cricket, which is also heavily biased in favor of the countries make the most money from it. And that ain't England anymore.
Or skip the F1 team, and just buy Merc. and there you have it.
Hard to imagine the Saudi’s needing to invest more in F1 than they already have — but reason is not always the high card in the hand of those who want or need respect in the halls of power. And the House of Saud is never very far from regime change.
World Superbike race 2 at Jerez was phenomenal. One guy with the best bike, the other a fucking demon on the brakes - they were swapping paint most of the race, right to the finish.
Respectfully disagree on the hockey incident. That was intent to harm, not willingness to harm.
You're doing your boy, and the world, a huge favor by not raising a housecat.
It's like if I shot someone, but just in the leg (aiming there on purpose), accidentally hit the artery and they died. My responsibility, for good or ill.
Regarding the Federalist article - someone who knows nothing of violence should be much more careful with her words.
I am astonished to discover that this happened here in England, where ice hockey is very much a minority sport (to the extent that I wasn't aware that there is such a thing as a UK League). I am not a lawyer but my recollection from studies a very long time ago is that there are two principles at play here; 1) Volenti non fit injuria (don't complain if you volunteered for a dangerous activity) and 2) being responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions. I think this is what we have the concept of manslaughter for. In a safety conscious world 1) seems to be undermined and 2) gains more force.
On Jack's point of not wanting people with either no fear or an excess of it on the racetrack, I raced motorbikes at club in the early 1980s. I don't think anyone with no fear would have lasted one race without discovering that bikes can bite and thus learned a bit of discretion. On the other hand, I was at Brands Hatch one day when a newcomer froze coming into the (quite scary) Paddock Hill bend (the approach is blind over a crest, then it simultaneously jinks right and drops steeply), went straight on and that was that. I suspect that folk in cars think the belts and cages will save them, but out of control cars can behave in very strange ways and spear off at odd angles, as the clip shows.
No, even with my limited knowledge of sports that don't involve handlebars, I imagined that it doesn't. The gentleman will have some questions to answer.
Going off at a tangent but on the subject of dangerous sports, I once did a works outing/team bonding thing that turned out to be quad bike polo. With folk who had never ridden a quad bike, still less played polo. Personal protection equipment = a pith helmet. Boy, did that ever feel like a trip to Stoke Mandeville in the making! (SM being the leading head/neck injury place in southern England, Stirling Moss a customer). Nobody died. But I doubt the company running it is still in business...
Don't shoot at a human unless you are trying to kill said human. Don't try to kick someone with a knife on your foot unless you are trying to kill them. Weapons kill. Understand that and use them in that manner.
yeah, he did it on purpose. He's just upset the guy he was trying to kill actually died and he was crying only because he got caught and this will end his career if he doesn't cry.
He likes to get rough and they don't really punish him for it. I was trying to figure THAT out until I saw his picture. It's the same reason why he's not sitting in jail right now with a homicide charge, if not murder one.
i watched college hockey in the mid-'50s at colorado college and it was a fast fair game. you could pay me a lot to watch the stupid fights that are called pro hockey today but i was surprised that this below-hooligan behavior existed in england of all places! but mark levin likes whatever that cagefighting crap is called; there's no accounting for some people. i must add that in the '60s the hershey league decided to restrict fighting and their ticket sales dropped 30%. like i said there's no accounting...
I think his career will also be over if other players collectively agree that this act was way out of bounds. In baseball, you'd get some fastballs to the head. In hockey, I could imagine a fate much worse for him.
The problem is, nobody wants to be called Racist or have Riots.
I honestly couldn't figure out why he hadn't been charged already for something so blatantly intentional, and why he was still playing with his history of violence.
Then I saw his picture.
There are very FEW black hockey players. Very Few. So he's a diversity hire and they can't do anything to him, or they'll all be called racist and get fired or worse. So he figures after a while he can get away with anything. Because he won't get in that much trouble. It was inevitable that he'd do something like that. Because he knows he won't be punished. Because that's how it's always been.
Yes, you CAN blame the league for this, because they were too afraid to crack down on him.
Now we've got a dead hockey player and again, if he'd been white, he'd be in jail. Every time something like this has happened (and it's happened lots) the player went to jail and almost always ends up in prison. But now they're all afraid if they do THAT there will be riots.
And there will be, if they do anything. Welcome to the world we live in. Where people have bent over backwards so far, now they're getting raped.
Because nowadays, race matters and means everything.
I had no idea he was black until I dug into it some more and I was like 'how in the hell did he get away with that?' And 'Why is he always getting a pass on his behavior?'
Then it became quite clear.
If you're white these days, you are shit, you are evil, and you must be punished. Everything is your fault, even if it happened hundreds of years before you were born.
If you're a minority, you just don't know any better and allowances must be made and you always get a second, third, fourth chance while everyone looks the other way and goddamn you white person if you so much as mention it.
Did you see the bit were two guys ran down a retired white man on his bicycle? They did it on purpose, killed him, then put the video up on youtube to BRAG about killing him. When they got picked up, they kept laughing and said 'we'll get 90 days, it was just a hit and run'.
It's just the knockout game on steroids. Oh, they still play that one by the way. But the news isn't allowed to talk about it anymore.
So yeah, like it or not, race is involved in everything these days, because everyone is too damn scared to call anything out and some animals are more equal that others. Heaven help you if you punish a minority for doing what white people go to jail for all the time. Look at Floyd. They LIED in court to convict a cop who didn't kill him. It's been admitted into evidence that they LIED about the cause of death. But I don't see that cop ever getting out. Because riots.
As we used to say in the military: Embrace the Suck.
Bang on with all of your points. There are two different realities out there. Telling myself that it will get better eventually keeps the gun out of my mouth, but I really don't see any slowdown in this nonsense.
I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before. He basically reversed round housed kicked the guy in the neck. I'm sure he just meant to kick him really hard but when you're running around with razor blades on your feet, you shouldn't be trying to kick people. It was so over the top ridiculous, there should be criminal charges. Murder seems excessive but negligent homicide should be on the table. I see a lot more teenagers collapsing and dying than when I was a teenager. Every other week some kid shows up on the news locally and died of suddenly. Wonder why...
I don't think it was a "roundhouse kick"... just like with high sticking, this was failure to control ones self or equipment. That's a negligent act. He's basically a wrecking ball the same way a Jordan Tootoo was. The difference is that this guy has a clear history of disregard for even basic rules. That's why he's over there and not over here.
I'm not sure if he should play hockey again, but there needs to be a path to salvation with an incident like this. In no world should they not be wearing more basic protection against cuts by skates.
It's always amazing to me how guys didn't want to wear helmets or masks or even something to protect basic bits better.
Guess they never planned on doing anything OTHER than hockey... ever.
I’m going to add to this gemlike thread by recommending a film called “Calvary” to you gentlemen. It stars Brendan Gleeson.
It’s a very difficult film to watch, but it’s stayed with me longer than any other. I’ll not describe it in any way, other than to say it’s worth your time.
I have two conspiracy theories about these sudden deaths in youth sports:
0. The kids are on gear with little oversight on dosage
1. The lack of second hand smoke in kids these days makes them more able to stress their systems to the brink of failure
The reality is that more kids are playing at elite levels and the percentages of this happening is probably at same level it has always been, but our connected world allows them to be talked about en masse with a much larger audience.
0 - is definitely true. It is ridiculously easy to get juice. I could call a guy and have it in a day. But it's also the covid vaccines that never should have been given to teenagers
1 - All the kids are vaping. As much as all the scolds will forever try, you will never completely remove teenagers from nicotine because nicotine is awesome. I miss smoking.
Vaping is one thing, but how many of these kids have endured sitting in the back of a Caprice with your Mom/Dad/Aunt/Uncle/Friends Parent...whoever chain smoking Salems with the windows up, "because it is cold out"? Not speaking from experience, just a general question...
I'm basically 40 and I don't think anyone in my generation had to endure that. About the worst second had smoke exposure we had was when people could still smoke in bars. Or the smoking section at the local diner.
That is literally the cut off. Ten more years, i.e. 50 year olds and there is smoke everywhere. There were ashtrays on shopping carts. You could smoke in school.
I have a good friend who's smoked for 30 years, and when we'd hang out in the winter, I had to endure freezing my ass off by the back door or driving with an icy wind in my face because he had to have his hit.
Yeah, but you can do it anywhere. My nicotine consumption probably quadrupled when I discovered juul and then later Nicotine salts. I was never a huge smoker. A couple a week but I vaped non stop. I have since quit all of it.
Same. Never was a smoker aside from on occasional cigarette or cigar during a night of partying with friends in college. Discovered the flavored vapes 3 years ago and now half of my friends group (all early to mid 30s), myself included uses them at least semi-regularly. I can easily vape like it was normal air for 4 hours while drinking with friends and then not touch it for 4-5 days. Man, I love sweet nicotine.
It could be the lead in the gasoline was giving us super powers. I remember when ephedra (gas station natural speed that was actually natural) was banned because some minor league baseball player died. It turned out he ate like 100 pills when you are only supposed to take two.
I got put on the meth list and declined a purchase at walgreens because I bought too much Primatene too close together. Apparently eventually they take you off because I can buy it again.
So before watching the slow motion version in the link Jack shared I only saw this re-play in real time. At actual speed it looks much more like he is trying to maintain his balance after the first contact vs. the slo-mo making it look more purposeful.
What is your opinion on the changes that have been made to the game in regards to fighting and physicality in general?
I am of the opinion that back in the enforcer days the game was less risky because there were consequences if you fucked around...you'd find out. Now there are a handful of "goons" that seem to go unchecked throughout the league, and everyone is on the sidelines bitching about their actions, but they continue to play without consequences. Neither situation is right, but I'd be curious to hear your take on which you feel is less wrong as a fellow Hockey fan.
The game has gotten softer for sure. Probably better in the long run people aren't having their careers ruined for skating through the middle with their heads down but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the good old days. I'm not sure how much "enforcement" really matters but I like a good fight.
The original purpose of the team enforcer (and every team had one) was to rein in any player on the opposing side who was trying to take down, by injury, the team's star player. That guy would go out and put the other guy out of the game, or worse.
Ref's looked the other way, because usually the target had it coming.
When it got to extreme or someone got seriously hurt? You got arrested, tried, and (usually) sent to prison. Hockey players have been going to jail for a long time.
As to the violence in hockey? The league believes it sells tickets. Just like the crashes in Nascar. So of course they support it.
I had season tickets to the Columbus Blue Jackets early on. That was painful, but, if you took a shot at Rick Nash, you got acquainted with Jody Shelley.
"You remember things as being better than they really were. Nature does that on purpose. Otherwise, no one would ever have more than one kid, or get remarried or keep cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs."
I work with a lot of guys in Toronto. They remain die-hard Leafs fans. All of them have admitted they are not sure why they stick with them. Hope springs eternal.
As the saying goes: "Few races are won in Turn 1... but many are lost there". To be fair, looking at PER's in-car, it did look like an open door... but he shut the door on himself by crashing into LEC...
...I know Jack beats up on HAM, I also don't agree with HAM's social justice grievance brand... but he's clearly still a champion driver. His pass for P2 was thrilling...
"but he's clearly still a champion driver."
In no-pressure situations, like that, he's still great. Not sure he can still cut the mustard when there's pressure. We will see next year.
Agree. Maybe I should have said, "champion-level". I think he's in own head at this point... he's not winning like he used to, so people tend to either self-evaluate or start blaming everything else. Probably some of both in HAM's case...
He's old. I am one year older than Sir Ham and I can't get out of bed without something hurting. I don't have a guy who can get me adrenochrome on speed dial but I bet the reflexes and timing aren't what they used to be for him. Or he's always been overrated and it was always the car. I'll go with #2 cause I don't like him.
Both of those things can be true.
Shut your mouth and drive the car.
ATTA BOY ! .
-Nate
If I owned ANY professional sports team, I wouldn't tolerate any activism from any of my employees, leftist or conservative. People watch sports to escape from life's bullshit, especially politics.
I don't care. Any talk of George Floyd or Hunter Biden AND YOU'RE GONE. There are ten thousand others who'd gladly take your place, and sooner or later I'd find one who's not an obnoxious ingrate.
Hamilton rages against life's unfairness, oblivious to the fact that that same unfairness grants him millions of dollars a year to do nothing more beneficial to society than to drive a fucking race car.
Then sports journalists will write lies about you and try and make your life very difficult. There's not a more contemptible creature on the planet than sports journalists. They make regular journalists look honest and ethical
How unfortunate for them that I'm one of those Honor Before Reason types.
How unfortunate for you you are not a billionaire sports team owner!
Agree completely. HAM is literally the living, breathing contradiction to the racial injustice premise.
Wealthy, privileged athletes complaining about unfairness?
Fuck those jock douchebags. They can go work at Taco Bell.
Just look at how much endorsement money Hamilton commands, compared to what his identically credentialed, better-looking, and just as quick teammate Rosberg got.
Yeah.....
Another boring Mexican Grand Prix, but it created some great talking points:
-Red Bull seems to be the only team capable of learning from past races in F1. We’ve seen for years in the Pirelli era that the undercut + low fuel load in Mexico always works, the tires don’t degrade in clean air! Ferrari and Merc again caught sleeping while Max took off without a sweat. No one is beating Red Bull as a constructor for the remainder of these regulations.
-Brazil is the best chance for someone to win, probably Lewis. Hoping we get a 1v1 clash between him and Max this Sunday. George, like Checo after Baku, looks like he can’t handle the new direction of a car with a lively rear end.
-With the World Cup heading to Saudi Arabia in 2034, how much longer before a Saudi-funded F1 team comes in and basically wins everything with money doping and under-the-table development? They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?
"They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?"
I think you can make the argument that "the rules" were simply financial gatekeeping on the part of the people who had control of the playing field and the talent.
The first few years of a Saudi team would be uncomfortably reminiscent of "Force India", I think.
C'mon. No one is more corrupt than fifa.
The IOC has a beer. For a small fee, you may hold it.
Today I agree, but I would love to know all the stories of F1's journey from the 50's to the end of the Bernie era.
Isn't soccer most popular in those countries where they have an El Presidente, cops wear military uniforms and officials openly demand bribes?
This sounds like us (Sri Lanka). We're big on Cricket, which is also heavily biased in favor of the countries make the most money from it. And that ain't England anymore.
You mean cricket ain’t cricket? Yeegads!
looking forward to that!
Or skip the F1 team, and just buy Merc. and there you have it.
Hard to imagine the Saudi’s needing to invest more in F1 than they already have — but reason is not always the high card in the hand of those who want or need respect in the halls of power. And the House of Saud is never very far from regime change.
'Respect' can never be bought, only earned .
Sadly many rich people/cultures never quite grasp this .
-Nate
World Superbike race 2 at Jerez was phenomenal. One guy with the best bike, the other a fucking demon on the brakes - they were swapping paint most of the race, right to the finish.
Respectfully disagree on the hockey incident. That was intent to harm, not willingness to harm.
You're doing your boy, and the world, a huge favor by not raising a housecat.
I do think that Petgrave meant to put Johnson on the ice. Just not permanently.
And I'm not in favor of hysteria like this: https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/if-brutal-hockey-killing-was-a-freak-accident-daniel-penny-would-like-a-word/
It's like if I shot someone, but just in the leg (aiming there on purpose), accidentally hit the artery and they died. My responsibility, for good or ill.
Regarding the Federalist article - someone who knows nothing of violence should be much more careful with her words.
You said both things I was going to bring up! Not sure what his intended outcome was - a blade to the face?
I am astonished to discover that this happened here in England, where ice hockey is very much a minority sport (to the extent that I wasn't aware that there is such a thing as a UK League). I am not a lawyer but my recollection from studies a very long time ago is that there are two principles at play here; 1) Volenti non fit injuria (don't complain if you volunteered for a dangerous activity) and 2) being responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions. I think this is what we have the concept of manslaughter for. In a safety conscious world 1) seems to be undermined and 2) gains more force.
On Jack's point of not wanting people with either no fear or an excess of it on the racetrack, I raced motorbikes at club in the early 1980s. I don't think anyone with no fear would have lasted one race without discovering that bikes can bite and thus learned a bit of discretion. On the other hand, I was at Brands Hatch one day when a newcomer froze coming into the (quite scary) Paddock Hill bend (the approach is blind over a crest, then it simultaneously jinks right and drops steeply), went straight on and that was that. I suspect that folk in cars think the belts and cages will save them, but out of control cars can behave in very strange ways and spear off at odd angles, as the clip shows.
"Skate kick to the neck" is not a typical or inherent part of hockey.
No, even with my limited knowledge of sports that don't involve handlebars, I imagined that it doesn't. The gentleman will have some questions to answer.
Going off at a tangent but on the subject of dangerous sports, I once did a works outing/team bonding thing that turned out to be quad bike polo. With folk who had never ridden a quad bike, still less played polo. Personal protection equipment = a pith helmet. Boy, did that ever feel like a trip to Stoke Mandeville in the making! (SM being the leading head/neck injury place in southern England, Stirling Moss a customer). Nobody died. But I doubt the company running it is still in business...
Don't shoot at a human unless you are trying to kill said human. Don't try to kick someone with a knife on your foot unless you are trying to kill them. Weapons kill. Understand that and use them in that manner.
"Do, or Do Not. There is no Try."
Okay, watching it there?
yeah, he did it on purpose. He's just upset the guy he was trying to kill actually died and he was crying only because he got caught and this will end his career if he doesn't cry.
Seems like it. Dude likes to get rough and it went too far.
He likes to get rough and they don't really punish him for it. I was trying to figure THAT out until I saw his picture. It's the same reason why he's not sitting in jail right now with a homicide charge, if not murder one.
i watched college hockey in the mid-'50s at colorado college and it was a fast fair game. you could pay me a lot to watch the stupid fights that are called pro hockey today but i was surprised that this below-hooligan behavior existed in england of all places! but mark levin likes whatever that cagefighting crap is called; there's no accounting for some people. i must add that in the '60s the hershey league decided to restrict fighting and their ticket sales dropped 30%. like i said there's no accounting...
I think his career will also be over if other players collectively agree that this act was way out of bounds. In baseball, you'd get some fastballs to the head. In hockey, I could imagine a fate much worse for him.
The problem is, nobody wants to be called Racist or have Riots.
I honestly couldn't figure out why he hadn't been charged already for something so blatantly intentional, and why he was still playing with his history of violence.
Then I saw his picture.
There are very FEW black hockey players. Very Few. So he's a diversity hire and they can't do anything to him, or they'll all be called racist and get fired or worse. So he figures after a while he can get away with anything. Because he won't get in that much trouble. It was inevitable that he'd do something like that. Because he knows he won't be punished. Because that's how it's always been.
Yes, you CAN blame the league for this, because they were too afraid to crack down on him.
Now we've got a dead hockey player and again, if he'd been white, he'd be in jail. Every time something like this has happened (and it's happened lots) the player went to jail and almost always ends up in prison. But now they're all afraid if they do THAT there will be riots.
And there will be, if they do anything. Welcome to the world we live in. Where people have bent over backwards so far, now they're getting raped.
Were it up to me, riots would be MOUT training sessions for the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard.
Rioting is a crime against the very fabric of civilization. It should be dealt with accordingly.
Thank you I.A. .
-Nate
Shouldn't come as a surprise that race is brought to the forefront given that they do that for pretty much everything else.
Because nowadays, race matters and means everything.
I had no idea he was black until I dug into it some more and I was like 'how in the hell did he get away with that?' And 'Why is he always getting a pass on his behavior?'
Then it became quite clear.
If you're white these days, you are shit, you are evil, and you must be punished. Everything is your fault, even if it happened hundreds of years before you were born.
If you're a minority, you just don't know any better and allowances must be made and you always get a second, third, fourth chance while everyone looks the other way and goddamn you white person if you so much as mention it.
Did you see the bit were two guys ran down a retired white man on his bicycle? They did it on purpose, killed him, then put the video up on youtube to BRAG about killing him. When they got picked up, they kept laughing and said 'we'll get 90 days, it was just a hit and run'.
It's just the knockout game on steroids. Oh, they still play that one by the way. But the news isn't allowed to talk about it anymore.
So yeah, like it or not, race is involved in everything these days, because everyone is too damn scared to call anything out and some animals are more equal that others. Heaven help you if you punish a minority for doing what white people go to jail for all the time. Look at Floyd. They LIED in court to convict a cop who didn't kill him. It's been admitted into evidence that they LIED about the cause of death. But I don't see that cop ever getting out. Because riots.
As we used to say in the military: Embrace the Suck.
Bang on with all of your points. There are two different realities out there. Telling myself that it will get better eventually keeps the gun out of my mouth, but I really don't see any slowdown in this nonsense.
I'm not suicidal if anyone thought I was serious.
I think it will get better.
But I also think it might get a whole lot worse first.
the fun just dont stop
I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before. He basically reversed round housed kicked the guy in the neck. I'm sure he just meant to kick him really hard but when you're running around with razor blades on your feet, you shouldn't be trying to kick people. It was so over the top ridiculous, there should be criminal charges. Murder seems excessive but negligent homicide should be on the table. I see a lot more teenagers collapsing and dying than when I was a teenager. Every other week some kid shows up on the news locally and died of suddenly. Wonder why...
I don't think it was a "roundhouse kick"... just like with high sticking, this was failure to control ones self or equipment. That's a negligent act. He's basically a wrecking ball the same way a Jordan Tootoo was. The difference is that this guy has a clear history of disregard for even basic rules. That's why he's over there and not over here.
I'm not sure if he should play hockey again, but there needs to be a path to salvation with an incident like this. In no world should they not be wearing more basic protection against cuts by skates.
It's always amazing to me how guys didn't want to wear helmets or masks or even something to protect basic bits better.
Guess they never planned on doing anything OTHER than hockey... ever.
Ah the days before everyone became a "brand".
I think he was trying to do a moving slew foot/trip. Wearing a little chain mail seems like a good idea
I've watched a lot of hockey. That was intentional.
Why should there be a "path to salvation?" People are forced out of much less glamorous careers every day for much less egregious or fatal conduct.
Because Christ implores us to follow His example.
Thought-provoking.
"Salvation" in this life does not necessarily mean "removal of any significant consequences in this life."
Absolutely.
I’m going to add to this gemlike thread by recommending a film called “Calvary” to you gentlemen. It stars Brendan Gleeson.
It’s a very difficult film to watch, but it’s stayed with me longer than any other. I’ll not describe it in any way, other than to say it’s worth your time.
I have a one of those demotivational-type posters with an A-10 on it, captioned "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. But He subcontracts."
LOL dude kicked him intentionally, just stop. It's manslaughter at least.
We had a couple BMX racers die of "suddenly" back in the day. To a man, they were juicing.
The new "Suddenly" doesn't even get you ripped.
I have two conspiracy theories about these sudden deaths in youth sports:
0. The kids are on gear with little oversight on dosage
1. The lack of second hand smoke in kids these days makes them more able to stress their systems to the brink of failure
The reality is that more kids are playing at elite levels and the percentages of this happening is probably at same level it has always been, but our connected world allows them to be talked about en masse with a much larger audience.
0 - is definitely true. It is ridiculously easy to get juice. I could call a guy and have it in a day. But it's also the covid vaccines that never should have been given to teenagers
1 - All the kids are vaping. As much as all the scolds will forever try, you will never completely remove teenagers from nicotine because nicotine is awesome. I miss smoking.
Vaping is one thing, but how many of these kids have endured sitting in the back of a Caprice with your Mom/Dad/Aunt/Uncle/Friends Parent...whoever chain smoking Salems with the windows up, "because it is cold out"? Not speaking from experience, just a general question...
I'm basically 40 and I don't think anyone in my generation had to endure that. About the worst second had smoke exposure we had was when people could still smoke in bars. Or the smoking section at the local diner.
That is literally the cut off. Ten more years, i.e. 50 year olds and there is smoke everywhere. There were ashtrays on shopping carts. You could smoke in school.
You and I had a very different childhoods then, I'm nearly 36 and up until about middle school second hand smoke was a very regular occurrence for me.
I'm 44 and this scenario was common for me, except it was a v8 malibu wagon.
I have a good friend who's smoked for 30 years, and when we'd hang out in the winter, I had to endure freezing my ass off by the back door or driving with an icy wind in my face because he had to have his hit.
At least smoking cigarettes makes you look cool.
Puffing on a vape pen makes you look like a dipshit.
Yeah, but you can do it anywhere. My nicotine consumption probably quadrupled when I discovered juul and then later Nicotine salts. I was never a huge smoker. A couple a week but I vaped non stop. I have since quit all of it.
Don't vape in the gym. Cause if you do that, you're a Tuul.
Same. Never was a smoker aside from on occasional cigarette or cigar during a night of partying with friends in college. Discovered the flavored vapes 3 years ago and now half of my friends group (all early to mid 30s), myself included uses them at least semi-regularly. I can easily vape like it was normal air for 4 hours while drinking with friends and then not touch it for 4-5 days. Man, I love sweet nicotine.
smoking cigarettes makes you look cool
if youre already cool
Shit
i come from the era when some ladies used a cigarette holder. as a kid i felt there was something different about the girls who used a long one...
That, or a Cheech and Chong movie.
a really, and i mean really, good cigar once or twice a week is a real treat. unless you've had a real noncounterfeit cuban i feel for you!
Looks like smoking a robots cock.
Only good line from season 2 of True Detective.
the electric skinflute
Peter Griffin giving a press conference, in reference to all the microphones:
"Hey, doesn't this look like I'm talking into a bunch of robot penises?"
It could be the lead in the gasoline was giving us super powers. I remember when ephedra (gas station natural speed that was actually natural) was banned because some minor league baseball player died. It turned out he ate like 100 pills when you are only supposed to take two.
I got put on the meth list and declined a purchase at walgreens because I bought too much Primatene too close together. Apparently eventually they take you off because I can buy it again.
I'd love to see meth be punishable by deportation, just because of all the common things those fucks have messed up for the rest of us.
Whenever I buy the real stuff at Walgreens I always sign it Papa Smurf.
So before watching the slow motion version in the link Jack shared I only saw this re-play in real time. At actual speed it looks much more like he is trying to maintain his balance after the first contact vs. the slo-mo making it look more purposeful.
What is your opinion on the changes that have been made to the game in regards to fighting and physicality in general?
I am of the opinion that back in the enforcer days the game was less risky because there were consequences if you fucked around...you'd find out. Now there are a handful of "goons" that seem to go unchecked throughout the league, and everyone is on the sidelines bitching about their actions, but they continue to play without consequences. Neither situation is right, but I'd be curious to hear your take on which you feel is less wrong as a fellow Hockey fan.
The game has gotten softer for sure. Probably better in the long run people aren't having their careers ruined for skating through the middle with their heads down but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the good old days. I'm not sure how much "enforcement" really matters but I like a good fight.
The original purpose of the team enforcer (and every team had one) was to rein in any player on the opposing side who was trying to take down, by injury, the team's star player. That guy would go out and put the other guy out of the game, or worse.
Ref's looked the other way, because usually the target had it coming.
When it got to extreme or someone got seriously hurt? You got arrested, tried, and (usually) sent to prison. Hockey players have been going to jail for a long time.
As to the violence in hockey? The league believes it sells tickets. Just like the crashes in Nascar. So of course they support it.
I had season tickets to the Columbus Blue Jackets early on. That was painful, but, if you took a shot at Rick Nash, you got acquainted with Jody Shelley.
"You remember things as being better than they really were. Nature does that on purpose. Otherwise, no one would ever have more than one kid, or get remarried or keep cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs."
- Red Green
I work with a lot of guys in Toronto. They remain die-hard Leafs fans. All of them have admitted they are not sure why they stick with them. Hope springs eternal.
And Cubs fans. And Browns fans.
Leafs suck
Hit Somebody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkO-m3sPoPA
>I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before.
I came here to basically type the same thing. I've seen a lot of reckless hits but I've never in my life seen one that looked like this one.
The neon video is listed as private. Won't load for me.
Same here.