As the saying goes: "Few races are won in Turn 1... but many are lost there". To be fair, looking at PER's in-car, it did look like an open door... but he shut the door on himself by crashing into LEC...
...I know Jack beats up on HAM, I also don't agree with HAM's social justice grievance brand... but he's clearly still a champion driver. His pass for P2 was thrilling...
Agree. Maybe I should have said, "champion-level". I think he's in own head at this point... he's not winning like he used to, so people tend to either self-evaluate or start blaming everything else. Probably some of both in HAM's case...
He's old. I am one year older than Sir Ham and I can't get out of bed without something hurting. I don't have a guy who can get me adrenochrome on speed dial but I bet the reflexes and timing aren't what they used to be for him. Or he's always been overrated and it was always the car. I'll go with #2 cause I don't like him.
If I owned ANY professional sports team, I wouldn't tolerate any activism from any of my employees, leftist or conservative. People watch sports to escape from life's bullshit, especially politics.
I don't care. Any talk of George Floyd or Hunter Biden AND YOU'RE GONE. There are ten thousand others who'd gladly take your place, and sooner or later I'd find one who's not an obnoxious ingrate.
Hamilton rages against life's unfairness, oblivious to the fact that that same unfairness grants him millions of dollars a year to do nothing more beneficial to society than to drive a fucking race car.
Then sports journalists will write lies about you and try and make your life very difficult. There's not a more contemptible creature on the planet than sports journalists. They make regular journalists look honest and ethical
Just look at how much endorsement money Hamilton commands, compared to what his identically credentialed, better-looking, and just as quick teammate Rosberg got.
Another boring Mexican Grand Prix, but it created some great talking points:
-Red Bull seems to be the only team capable of learning from past races in F1. We’ve seen for years in the Pirelli era that the undercut + low fuel load in Mexico always works, the tires don’t degrade in clean air! Ferrari and Merc again caught sleeping while Max took off without a sweat. No one is beating Red Bull as a constructor for the remainder of these regulations.
-Brazil is the best chance for someone to win, probably Lewis. Hoping we get a 1v1 clash between him and Max this Sunday. George, like Checo after Baku, looks like he can’t handle the new direction of a car with a lively rear end.
-With the World Cup heading to Saudi Arabia in 2034, how much longer before a Saudi-funded F1 team comes in and basically wins everything with money doping and under-the-table development? They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?
"They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?"
I think you can make the argument that "the rules" were simply financial gatekeeping on the part of the people who had control of the playing field and the talent.
The first few years of a Saudi team would be uncomfortably reminiscent of "Force India", I think.
This sounds like us (Sri Lanka). We're big on Cricket, which is also heavily biased in favor of the countries make the most money from it. And that ain't England anymore.
Or skip the F1 team, and just buy Merc. and there you have it.
Hard to imagine the Saudi’s needing to invest more in F1 than they already have — but reason is not always the high card in the hand of those who want or need respect in the halls of power. And the House of Saud is never very far from regime change.
World Superbike race 2 at Jerez was phenomenal. One guy with the best bike, the other a fucking demon on the brakes - they were swapping paint most of the race, right to the finish.
Respectfully disagree on the hockey incident. That was intent to harm, not willingness to harm.
You're doing your boy, and the world, a huge favor by not raising a housecat.
It's like if I shot someone, but just in the leg (aiming there on purpose), accidentally hit the artery and they died. My responsibility, for good or ill.
Regarding the Federalist article - someone who knows nothing of violence should be much more careful with her words.
I am astonished to discover that this happened here in England, where ice hockey is very much a minority sport (to the extent that I wasn't aware that there is such a thing as a UK League). I am not a lawyer but my recollection from studies a very long time ago is that there are two principles at play here; 1) Volenti non fit injuria (don't complain if you volunteered for a dangerous activity) and 2) being responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions. I think this is what we have the concept of manslaughter for. In a safety conscious world 1) seems to be undermined and 2) gains more force.
On Jack's point of not wanting people with either no fear or an excess of it on the racetrack, I raced motorbikes at club in the early 1980s. I don't think anyone with no fear would have lasted one race without discovering that bikes can bite and thus learned a bit of discretion. On the other hand, I was at Brands Hatch one day when a newcomer froze coming into the (quite scary) Paddock Hill bend (the approach is blind over a crest, then it simultaneously jinks right and drops steeply), went straight on and that was that. I suspect that folk in cars think the belts and cages will save them, but out of control cars can behave in very strange ways and spear off at odd angles, as the clip shows.
No, even with my limited knowledge of sports that don't involve handlebars, I imagined that it doesn't. The gentleman will have some questions to answer.
Going off at a tangent but on the subject of dangerous sports, I once did a works outing/team bonding thing that turned out to be quad bike polo. With folk who had never ridden a quad bike, still less played polo. Personal protection equipment = a pith helmet. Boy, did that ever feel like a trip to Stoke Mandeville in the making! (SM being the leading head/neck injury place in southern England, Stirling Moss a customer). Nobody died. But I doubt the company running it is still in business...
Don't shoot at a human unless you are trying to kill said human. Don't try to kick someone with a knife on your foot unless you are trying to kill them. Weapons kill. Understand that and use them in that manner.
yeah, he did it on purpose. He's just upset the guy he was trying to kill actually died and he was crying only because he got caught and this will end his career if he doesn't cry.
He likes to get rough and they don't really punish him for it. I was trying to figure THAT out until I saw his picture. It's the same reason why he's not sitting in jail right now with a homicide charge, if not murder one.
i watched college hockey in the mid-'50s at colorado college and it was a fast fair game. you could pay me a lot to watch the stupid fights that are called pro hockey today but i was surprised that this below-hooligan behavior existed in england of all places! but mark levin likes whatever that cagefighting crap is called; there's no accounting for some people. i must add that in the '60s the hershey league decided to restrict fighting and their ticket sales dropped 30%. like i said there's no accounting...
I think his career will also be over if other players collectively agree that this act was way out of bounds. In baseball, you'd get some fastballs to the head. In hockey, I could imagine a fate much worse for him.
The problem is, nobody wants to be called Racist or have Riots.
I honestly couldn't figure out why he hadn't been charged already for something so blatantly intentional, and why he was still playing with his history of violence.
Then I saw his picture.
There are very FEW black hockey players. Very Few. So he's a diversity hire and they can't do anything to him, or they'll all be called racist and get fired or worse. So he figures after a while he can get away with anything. Because he won't get in that much trouble. It was inevitable that he'd do something like that. Because he knows he won't be punished. Because that's how it's always been.
Yes, you CAN blame the league for this, because they were too afraid to crack down on him.
Now we've got a dead hockey player and again, if he'd been white, he'd be in jail. Every time something like this has happened (and it's happened lots) the player went to jail and almost always ends up in prison. But now they're all afraid if they do THAT there will be riots.
And there will be, if they do anything. Welcome to the world we live in. Where people have bent over backwards so far, now they're getting raped.
Because nowadays, race matters and means everything.
I had no idea he was black until I dug into it some more and I was like 'how in the hell did he get away with that?' And 'Why is he always getting a pass on his behavior?'
Then it became quite clear.
If you're white these days, you are shit, you are evil, and you must be punished. Everything is your fault, even if it happened hundreds of years before you were born.
If you're a minority, you just don't know any better and allowances must be made and you always get a second, third, fourth chance while everyone looks the other way and goddamn you white person if you so much as mention it.
Did you see the bit were two guys ran down a retired white man on his bicycle? They did it on purpose, killed him, then put the video up on youtube to BRAG about killing him. When they got picked up, they kept laughing and said 'we'll get 90 days, it was just a hit and run'.
It's just the knockout game on steroids. Oh, they still play that one by the way. But the news isn't allowed to talk about it anymore.
So yeah, like it or not, race is involved in everything these days, because everyone is too damn scared to call anything out and some animals are more equal that others. Heaven help you if you punish a minority for doing what white people go to jail for all the time. Look at Floyd. They LIED in court to convict a cop who didn't kill him. It's been admitted into evidence that they LIED about the cause of death. But I don't see that cop ever getting out. Because riots.
As we used to say in the military: Embrace the Suck.
Bang on with all of your points. There are two different realities out there. Telling myself that it will get better eventually keeps the gun out of my mouth, but I really don't see any slowdown in this nonsense.
I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before. He basically reversed round housed kicked the guy in the neck. I'm sure he just meant to kick him really hard but when you're running around with razor blades on your feet, you shouldn't be trying to kick people. It was so over the top ridiculous, there should be criminal charges. Murder seems excessive but negligent homicide should be on the table. I see a lot more teenagers collapsing and dying than when I was a teenager. Every other week some kid shows up on the news locally and died of suddenly. Wonder why...
I don't think it was a "roundhouse kick"... just like with high sticking, this was failure to control ones self or equipment. That's a negligent act. He's basically a wrecking ball the same way a Jordan Tootoo was. The difference is that this guy has a clear history of disregard for even basic rules. That's why he's over there and not over here.
I'm not sure if he should play hockey again, but there needs to be a path to salvation with an incident like this. In no world should they not be wearing more basic protection against cuts by skates.
It's always amazing to me how guys didn't want to wear helmets or masks or even something to protect basic bits better.
Guess they never planned on doing anything OTHER than hockey... ever.
I’m going to add to this gemlike thread by recommending a film called “Calvary” to you gentlemen. It stars Brendan Gleeson.
It’s a very difficult film to watch, but it’s stayed with me longer than any other. I’ll not describe it in any way, other than to say it’s worth your time.
I have two conspiracy theories about these sudden deaths in youth sports:
0. The kids are on gear with little oversight on dosage
1. The lack of second hand smoke in kids these days makes them more able to stress their systems to the brink of failure
The reality is that more kids are playing at elite levels and the percentages of this happening is probably at same level it has always been, but our connected world allows them to be talked about en masse with a much larger audience.
0 - is definitely true. It is ridiculously easy to get juice. I could call a guy and have it in a day. But it's also the covid vaccines that never should have been given to teenagers
1 - All the kids are vaping. As much as all the scolds will forever try, you will never completely remove teenagers from nicotine because nicotine is awesome. I miss smoking.
Vaping is one thing, but how many of these kids have endured sitting in the back of a Caprice with your Mom/Dad/Aunt/Uncle/Friends Parent...whoever chain smoking Salems with the windows up, "because it is cold out"? Not speaking from experience, just a general question...
I'm basically 40 and I don't think anyone in my generation had to endure that. About the worst second had smoke exposure we had was when people could still smoke in bars. Or the smoking section at the local diner.
That is literally the cut off. Ten more years, i.e. 50 year olds and there is smoke everywhere. There were ashtrays on shopping carts. You could smoke in school.
I have a good friend who's smoked for 30 years, and when we'd hang out in the winter, I had to endure freezing my ass off by the back door or driving with an icy wind in my face because he had to have his hit.
Yeah, but you can do it anywhere. My nicotine consumption probably quadrupled when I discovered juul and then later Nicotine salts. I was never a huge smoker. A couple a week but I vaped non stop. I have since quit all of it.
Same. Never was a smoker aside from on occasional cigarette or cigar during a night of partying with friends in college. Discovered the flavored vapes 3 years ago and now half of my friends group (all early to mid 30s), myself included uses them at least semi-regularly. I can easily vape like it was normal air for 4 hours while drinking with friends and then not touch it for 4-5 days. Man, I love sweet nicotine.
It could be the lead in the gasoline was giving us super powers. I remember when ephedra (gas station natural speed that was actually natural) was banned because some minor league baseball player died. It turned out he ate like 100 pills when you are only supposed to take two.
I got put on the meth list and declined a purchase at walgreens because I bought too much Primatene too close together. Apparently eventually they take you off because I can buy it again.
So before watching the slow motion version in the link Jack shared I only saw this re-play in real time. At actual speed it looks much more like he is trying to maintain his balance after the first contact vs. the slo-mo making it look more purposeful.
What is your opinion on the changes that have been made to the game in regards to fighting and physicality in general?
I am of the opinion that back in the enforcer days the game was less risky because there were consequences if you fucked around...you'd find out. Now there are a handful of "goons" that seem to go unchecked throughout the league, and everyone is on the sidelines bitching about their actions, but they continue to play without consequences. Neither situation is right, but I'd be curious to hear your take on which you feel is less wrong as a fellow Hockey fan.
The game has gotten softer for sure. Probably better in the long run people aren't having their careers ruined for skating through the middle with their heads down but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the good old days. I'm not sure how much "enforcement" really matters but I like a good fight.
The original purpose of the team enforcer (and every team had one) was to rein in any player on the opposing side who was trying to take down, by injury, the team's star player. That guy would go out and put the other guy out of the game, or worse.
Ref's looked the other way, because usually the target had it coming.
When it got to extreme or someone got seriously hurt? You got arrested, tried, and (usually) sent to prison. Hockey players have been going to jail for a long time.
As to the violence in hockey? The league believes it sells tickets. Just like the crashes in Nascar. So of course they support it.
I had season tickets to the Columbus Blue Jackets early on. That was painful, but, if you took a shot at Rick Nash, you got acquainted with Jody Shelley.
"You remember things as being better than they really were. Nature does that on purpose. Otherwise, no one would ever have more than one kid, or get remarried or keep cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs."
I work with a lot of guys in Toronto. They remain die-hard Leafs fans. All of them have admitted they are not sure why they stick with them. Hope springs eternal.
Carrying grudges in any sport isn't healthy. Galloping Ghost crashed and killed all those people (and almost me) because the pilot was carrying a grudge and he got one of those 'I'll do it or DIE TRYING' moments.
Guess what? He died.
(That guy who over pulled the year before last and killed himself? SAME DAMN THING. - I'll WIN or I'll DIE TRYING!! - But at lease he didn't kill anybody else.)
MotoGP in Thailand was a phenomenal race! Tire wear concerns meant that the pack stayed together and Bagnaia, who bled a lot of points in the sprint, had to bang and barge his way up to the leading pack without burning up his available grip. 1-2-3 of Martin, Binder, and Bagnaia were still duking it out into the last lap and fighting for position. Martin carefully managed his tires, kept his cool, and won the race ahead of Bagnaia, thanks to Binder's last lap track limits error which saw him knocked down a position ex post facto. There are only a handful of points separating the two top men with three races and three sprints to go which makes it anyone's championship at this point. This competition between not just the top two but the fighting going on further down the field has made for an exciting end of season.
The sprint had no one manage their tires and Martin earn what looked like another easy win with a comfortable margin and Bagnaia tiptoed to the point where he made zero positions. This led to a lot of race day concerns that Bagnaia would lack aggression but he more than made up for it.
We watched MotoGP before F1 this weekend and I thought to myself that Perez’s attempt at the first corner looked a lot like Pecco’s attempt at the final (or was it penultimate?). Either way it was big, exciting risk, didn’t work out but also didn’t cost him anything at the end of the day.
It’s too bad we can’t see the tire pressures because Pecco seems to be very comfortable laying back in the dirty air the latter half of the season, but he doesn’t seem to complain as much about his fronts as others.
Also, rumor at the start of the week that Ducati is gonna move Martin to the factory seat was interesting. I didn’t read past the headline but it’s fun to consider for next year.
I grew up in the North East (NY, out on the Island) and spent a lot of winters skating. While I was never interested in playing hockey, I sure watched a LOT of it.
Did he hit him with the skate on purpose? Yes. No one at that level doesn't keep track of his feet or those two razor sharp blades on them. Did he mean to kill the guy? That video really isn't good enough on that site to be sure, but if I had to guess? Probably. He definitely meant to fuck him up but good. Should he go to jail? Definitely. He should be banned for life from hockey as well.
I've seen skaters and players like that before - they go into a rage and lash out and lose all sense. Only lasts a moment (usually) but a moment is all it takes. Now maybe I'm being too harsh, maybe it wasn't intentional, and maybe he's not like that.
But he still killed someone out on the ice and it was his fault.
I'm sure his teammates CAN answer the question as to if he was crying because he killed someone? Or because he got caught and will pay the consequences? The talk in the locker room that night was without a doubt, enlightening. THEY know the truth, they play with the guy after all. But you can be sure they ain't talking.
I feel like one of the handful of times I watched past the Who-soundtrack intro on one of the many CSI shows, the murder was a guy getting his throat cut in a hockey game during an on-ice melee...
For SCCA GTX, I'm allowed to change my tires from the Radical Cup spec tire of C52 Medium to SCCA-legal C72 Soft, and... that's it. The SR8 has a very specific "line" in the regulations.
At some point I need to sack up and buy a Stohr. See if I can win a national championship. But my God is it expensive to do. Probably a $150k season on top of the car.
Avoidable contact subscriptions should come with Decals you put on the car. You treat that as advertising racing revenue. You write off racing expenses. Can you do this? I can confidently recommend this as someone you are not paying to do your taxes. Can you really do this? Maybe!
I don't fit well into most formula cars, so... At the risk of sounding like an idiot or egotist, I've done about all I want to do in sports cars and sedans. I'm not going to get any better at driving them; my data is already as good as the pros. So this is a new frontier for me to improve.
Perhaps he’s just Happy Gilmore fan. Hockey allows for too much physical confrontation which is why you have escalations like this. When fights become part of the show just like a NASCAR crash keeping things watchable and interesting; it seems an inevitability.
Probably why you see so much Nation Felon League murders etc OUTSIDE of the game. Too much money and tied hands to vent it out on the field.
I made my first parachute jump at 16. I started rock and ice climbing at 18, fairly serious mountaineering at 20. Got my first motorcycle at 18, started road racing at 20 as soon as I had a few bucks scraped together. I learned to fly in my late twenties. I’m not immune to the lure of the abyss.
And yet, so much of that stuff seems like wasted time to me now.
I quit mountaineering around the time I met my wife; with relief, if truth be told. I was scared all the time on a big mountain. There’s more than a touch of masochism to mountaineering.
I kept the motorcycles, but quit racing. I was good at riding fast, but not good at the racing part. I didn’t like the thought that some dips**t could put me on a ventilator for the rest of my life out of pure carelessness.
I kept flying, but quit towing gliders. I was eating breakfast one Sunday morning with my pregnant wife, my two year old son, and my one year old daughter. I got a call that one of the other tow pilots had crashed and burned that morning while departing with a glider under tow. I didn’t want some other guy raising my kids.
I never held the nine-to-fivers with a wife and kids in any kind contempt: I just thought that it seemed like a boring sort of life to me. Little did I know that the best, most exciting hours of my life would be the ones I spent with my wife, and especially with my children. Everything else fades into insignificance.
And now, my son has a couple hundred flying hours under his belt at age twenty. And a Sportster. I could stop him from riding, I suppose. But I can’t bring myself to do that.
Long time ago I was in the mountains "near" some PJs (also a long story that may have involved misappropriating government resources). I know other JSOC guys like to bag on them but those guys were literally Olympic level athletes. Anyway one night I hear from one of the other tents "I don't know why I do this shit. The only time I'm happy out here is when I'm shoveling food in my face."
I'm indebted to you for our conversation about that turn 1 kart fatality. I'd have gotten back in the kart/car regardless (though if I'd caused it rather than merely seen it unfold in front of me, things might be different), but being able to talk about what it means to do these things--and really, what living means-- with a person with similar values was critical to my making peace with that decision.
Important to note that Yuki’s lapse of judgement cost the team 4 points, which would represent about $20MM (in terms of prize money delta).
If it comes down to that in Abu Dhabi, he should be fired straight into the Rising Sun, Honda money or not; and speaking of Honda …
The jungle drums were beating overtime on Sunday night. Lots of rumors and innuendo, but the consensus is that something along the lines of the following has - or will shortly - taken place:
0-Stroll Sr selling the Aston Martin F1 team - which is contracted to have a Honda power unit in 2026 - to someone else. The buyer could be Aramco / PIF, Honda, or someone else.
1-One of both of this change in control or the team’s dismal performance in the back half of the year would trigger one of the many escape clauses in Fernando’s contract.
2-So … Fernando would be on the market looking for a top seat. Who might have a vacancy? Red Bull!
3-Which would result in a seat swap - Fernando goes to Red Bull to find out how good Max really is, and Perez returns to his old Force India / Racing Point team to help the new owners make sense of things.
4-Stroll Jr is off to WEC, where he will win Le Mans!
"Important to note that Yuki’s lapse of judgement cost the team 4 points, which would represent about $20MM (in terms of prize money delta)."
In his shoes, I would merely note that until this weekend, they had NO POINTS that he didn't provide.
Alonso to Red Bull is a story for the ages and would open a legendary chapter in the sport. Even Max should be in favor of it, because he should be able to beat Fernando 3 out of 4 times AND put the chatter about his weak teammates to bed, forever.
Yesterday I raced my coworker from the stoplight through the intersection. My 2020 MDX destroyed his 2015 4-banger Subaru Forester.
I have a houseguest and we drank 2 bottles of wine in 3 hours last night. He knocked over the savory roasted almonds as we were cleaning up and I raced my 10.5 pound schnoodle for them. The schnoodle won. Today they were in his poop.
That is all the racing news I know about but I like to feel included.
Not gonna lie, I really wanted that one, but couldn't justify the extra 10k, having to buy one a thousand miles away, and really having to hunt for a color combination that wasn't my favorite.
I mean, what I really wanted was a land cruiser, but I really couldn't justify spending twice as much for a car with 100k on it already.
I see you're already a member of THIS esteemed club, but you should consider joining as well the Dull Mens Club on Facebook, if you are dumb enough (like me) to still have a Facebook account in 2023. Based on the story above, and your willingness and enthusiasm in relating it, you belong.
As the saying goes: "Few races are won in Turn 1... but many are lost there". To be fair, looking at PER's in-car, it did look like an open door... but he shut the door on himself by crashing into LEC...
...I know Jack beats up on HAM, I also don't agree with HAM's social justice grievance brand... but he's clearly still a champion driver. His pass for P2 was thrilling...
"but he's clearly still a champion driver."
In no-pressure situations, like that, he's still great. Not sure he can still cut the mustard when there's pressure. We will see next year.
Agree. Maybe I should have said, "champion-level". I think he's in own head at this point... he's not winning like he used to, so people tend to either self-evaluate or start blaming everything else. Probably some of both in HAM's case...
He's old. I am one year older than Sir Ham and I can't get out of bed without something hurting. I don't have a guy who can get me adrenochrome on speed dial but I bet the reflexes and timing aren't what they used to be for him. Or he's always been overrated and it was always the car. I'll go with #2 cause I don't like him.
Both of those things can be true.
Shut your mouth and drive the car.
ATTA BOY ! .
-Nate
If I owned ANY professional sports team, I wouldn't tolerate any activism from any of my employees, leftist or conservative. People watch sports to escape from life's bullshit, especially politics.
I don't care. Any talk of George Floyd or Hunter Biden AND YOU'RE GONE. There are ten thousand others who'd gladly take your place, and sooner or later I'd find one who's not an obnoxious ingrate.
Hamilton rages against life's unfairness, oblivious to the fact that that same unfairness grants him millions of dollars a year to do nothing more beneficial to society than to drive a fucking race car.
Then sports journalists will write lies about you and try and make your life very difficult. There's not a more contemptible creature on the planet than sports journalists. They make regular journalists look honest and ethical
How unfortunate for them that I'm one of those Honor Before Reason types.
How unfortunate for you you are not a billionaire sports team owner!
Agree completely. HAM is literally the living, breathing contradiction to the racial injustice premise.
Wealthy, privileged athletes complaining about unfairness?
Fuck those jock douchebags. They can go work at Taco Bell.
Just look at how much endorsement money Hamilton commands, compared to what his identically credentialed, better-looking, and just as quick teammate Rosberg got.
Yeah.....
Another boring Mexican Grand Prix, but it created some great talking points:
-Red Bull seems to be the only team capable of learning from past races in F1. We’ve seen for years in the Pirelli era that the undercut + low fuel load in Mexico always works, the tires don’t degrade in clean air! Ferrari and Merc again caught sleeping while Max took off without a sweat. No one is beating Red Bull as a constructor for the remainder of these regulations.
-Brazil is the best chance for someone to win, probably Lewis. Hoping we get a 1v1 clash between him and Max this Sunday. George, like Checo after Baku, looks like he can’t handle the new direction of a car with a lively rear end.
-With the World Cup heading to Saudi Arabia in 2034, how much longer before a Saudi-funded F1 team comes in and basically wins everything with money doping and under-the-table development? They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?
"They’ve undercut the rules in golf and football, why not the most corrupt sport of them all?"
I think you can make the argument that "the rules" were simply financial gatekeeping on the part of the people who had control of the playing field and the talent.
The first few years of a Saudi team would be uncomfortably reminiscent of "Force India", I think.
C'mon. No one is more corrupt than fifa.
The IOC has a beer. For a small fee, you may hold it.
Today I agree, but I would love to know all the stories of F1's journey from the 50's to the end of the Bernie era.
Isn't soccer most popular in those countries where they have an El Presidente, cops wear military uniforms and officials openly demand bribes?
This sounds like us (Sri Lanka). We're big on Cricket, which is also heavily biased in favor of the countries make the most money from it. And that ain't England anymore.
You mean cricket ain’t cricket? Yeegads!
looking forward to that!
Or skip the F1 team, and just buy Merc. and there you have it.
Hard to imagine the Saudi’s needing to invest more in F1 than they already have — but reason is not always the high card in the hand of those who want or need respect in the halls of power. And the House of Saud is never very far from regime change.
'Respect' can never be bought, only earned .
Sadly many rich people/cultures never quite grasp this .
-Nate
World Superbike race 2 at Jerez was phenomenal. One guy with the best bike, the other a fucking demon on the brakes - they were swapping paint most of the race, right to the finish.
Respectfully disagree on the hockey incident. That was intent to harm, not willingness to harm.
You're doing your boy, and the world, a huge favor by not raising a housecat.
I do think that Petgrave meant to put Johnson on the ice. Just not permanently.
And I'm not in favor of hysteria like this: https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/31/if-brutal-hockey-killing-was-a-freak-accident-daniel-penny-would-like-a-word/
It's like if I shot someone, but just in the leg (aiming there on purpose), accidentally hit the artery and they died. My responsibility, for good or ill.
Regarding the Federalist article - someone who knows nothing of violence should be much more careful with her words.
You said both things I was going to bring up! Not sure what his intended outcome was - a blade to the face?
I am astonished to discover that this happened here in England, where ice hockey is very much a minority sport (to the extent that I wasn't aware that there is such a thing as a UK League). I am not a lawyer but my recollection from studies a very long time ago is that there are two principles at play here; 1) Volenti non fit injuria (don't complain if you volunteered for a dangerous activity) and 2) being responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your actions. I think this is what we have the concept of manslaughter for. In a safety conscious world 1) seems to be undermined and 2) gains more force.
On Jack's point of not wanting people with either no fear or an excess of it on the racetrack, I raced motorbikes at club in the early 1980s. I don't think anyone with no fear would have lasted one race without discovering that bikes can bite and thus learned a bit of discretion. On the other hand, I was at Brands Hatch one day when a newcomer froze coming into the (quite scary) Paddock Hill bend (the approach is blind over a crest, then it simultaneously jinks right and drops steeply), went straight on and that was that. I suspect that folk in cars think the belts and cages will save them, but out of control cars can behave in very strange ways and spear off at odd angles, as the clip shows.
"Skate kick to the neck" is not a typical or inherent part of hockey.
No, even with my limited knowledge of sports that don't involve handlebars, I imagined that it doesn't. The gentleman will have some questions to answer.
Going off at a tangent but on the subject of dangerous sports, I once did a works outing/team bonding thing that turned out to be quad bike polo. With folk who had never ridden a quad bike, still less played polo. Personal protection equipment = a pith helmet. Boy, did that ever feel like a trip to Stoke Mandeville in the making! (SM being the leading head/neck injury place in southern England, Stirling Moss a customer). Nobody died. But I doubt the company running it is still in business...
Don't shoot at a human unless you are trying to kill said human. Don't try to kick someone with a knife on your foot unless you are trying to kill them. Weapons kill. Understand that and use them in that manner.
"Do, or Do Not. There is no Try."
Okay, watching it there?
yeah, he did it on purpose. He's just upset the guy he was trying to kill actually died and he was crying only because he got caught and this will end his career if he doesn't cry.
Seems like it. Dude likes to get rough and it went too far.
He likes to get rough and they don't really punish him for it. I was trying to figure THAT out until I saw his picture. It's the same reason why he's not sitting in jail right now with a homicide charge, if not murder one.
i watched college hockey in the mid-'50s at colorado college and it was a fast fair game. you could pay me a lot to watch the stupid fights that are called pro hockey today but i was surprised that this below-hooligan behavior existed in england of all places! but mark levin likes whatever that cagefighting crap is called; there's no accounting for some people. i must add that in the '60s the hershey league decided to restrict fighting and their ticket sales dropped 30%. like i said there's no accounting...
I think his career will also be over if other players collectively agree that this act was way out of bounds. In baseball, you'd get some fastballs to the head. In hockey, I could imagine a fate much worse for him.
The problem is, nobody wants to be called Racist or have Riots.
I honestly couldn't figure out why he hadn't been charged already for something so blatantly intentional, and why he was still playing with his history of violence.
Then I saw his picture.
There are very FEW black hockey players. Very Few. So he's a diversity hire and they can't do anything to him, or they'll all be called racist and get fired or worse. So he figures after a while he can get away with anything. Because he won't get in that much trouble. It was inevitable that he'd do something like that. Because he knows he won't be punished. Because that's how it's always been.
Yes, you CAN blame the league for this, because they were too afraid to crack down on him.
Now we've got a dead hockey player and again, if he'd been white, he'd be in jail. Every time something like this has happened (and it's happened lots) the player went to jail and almost always ends up in prison. But now they're all afraid if they do THAT there will be riots.
And there will be, if they do anything. Welcome to the world we live in. Where people have bent over backwards so far, now they're getting raped.
Were it up to me, riots would be MOUT training sessions for the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard.
Rioting is a crime against the very fabric of civilization. It should be dealt with accordingly.
Thank you I.A. .
-Nate
Shouldn't come as a surprise that race is brought to the forefront given that they do that for pretty much everything else.
Because nowadays, race matters and means everything.
I had no idea he was black until I dug into it some more and I was like 'how in the hell did he get away with that?' And 'Why is he always getting a pass on his behavior?'
Then it became quite clear.
If you're white these days, you are shit, you are evil, and you must be punished. Everything is your fault, even if it happened hundreds of years before you were born.
If you're a minority, you just don't know any better and allowances must be made and you always get a second, third, fourth chance while everyone looks the other way and goddamn you white person if you so much as mention it.
Did you see the bit were two guys ran down a retired white man on his bicycle? They did it on purpose, killed him, then put the video up on youtube to BRAG about killing him. When they got picked up, they kept laughing and said 'we'll get 90 days, it was just a hit and run'.
It's just the knockout game on steroids. Oh, they still play that one by the way. But the news isn't allowed to talk about it anymore.
So yeah, like it or not, race is involved in everything these days, because everyone is too damn scared to call anything out and some animals are more equal that others. Heaven help you if you punish a minority for doing what white people go to jail for all the time. Look at Floyd. They LIED in court to convict a cop who didn't kill him. It's been admitted into evidence that they LIED about the cause of death. But I don't see that cop ever getting out. Because riots.
As we used to say in the military: Embrace the Suck.
Bang on with all of your points. There are two different realities out there. Telling myself that it will get better eventually keeps the gun out of my mouth, but I really don't see any slowdown in this nonsense.
I'm not suicidal if anyone thought I was serious.
I think it will get better.
But I also think it might get a whole lot worse first.
the fun just dont stop
I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before. He basically reversed round housed kicked the guy in the neck. I'm sure he just meant to kick him really hard but when you're running around with razor blades on your feet, you shouldn't be trying to kick people. It was so over the top ridiculous, there should be criminal charges. Murder seems excessive but negligent homicide should be on the table. I see a lot more teenagers collapsing and dying than when I was a teenager. Every other week some kid shows up on the news locally and died of suddenly. Wonder why...
I don't think it was a "roundhouse kick"... just like with high sticking, this was failure to control ones self or equipment. That's a negligent act. He's basically a wrecking ball the same way a Jordan Tootoo was. The difference is that this guy has a clear history of disregard for even basic rules. That's why he's over there and not over here.
I'm not sure if he should play hockey again, but there needs to be a path to salvation with an incident like this. In no world should they not be wearing more basic protection against cuts by skates.
It's always amazing to me how guys didn't want to wear helmets or masks or even something to protect basic bits better.
Guess they never planned on doing anything OTHER than hockey... ever.
Ah the days before everyone became a "brand".
I think he was trying to do a moving slew foot/trip. Wearing a little chain mail seems like a good idea
I've watched a lot of hockey. That was intentional.
Why should there be a "path to salvation?" People are forced out of much less glamorous careers every day for much less egregious or fatal conduct.
Because Christ implores us to follow His example.
Thought-provoking.
"Salvation" in this life does not necessarily mean "removal of any significant consequences in this life."
Absolutely.
I’m going to add to this gemlike thread by recommending a film called “Calvary” to you gentlemen. It stars Brendan Gleeson.
It’s a very difficult film to watch, but it’s stayed with me longer than any other. I’ll not describe it in any way, other than to say it’s worth your time.
I have a one of those demotivational-type posters with an A-10 on it, captioned "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. But He subcontracts."
LOL dude kicked him intentionally, just stop. It's manslaughter at least.
We had a couple BMX racers die of "suddenly" back in the day. To a man, they were juicing.
The new "Suddenly" doesn't even get you ripped.
I have two conspiracy theories about these sudden deaths in youth sports:
0. The kids are on gear with little oversight on dosage
1. The lack of second hand smoke in kids these days makes them more able to stress their systems to the brink of failure
The reality is that more kids are playing at elite levels and the percentages of this happening is probably at same level it has always been, but our connected world allows them to be talked about en masse with a much larger audience.
0 - is definitely true. It is ridiculously easy to get juice. I could call a guy and have it in a day. But it's also the covid vaccines that never should have been given to teenagers
1 - All the kids are vaping. As much as all the scolds will forever try, you will never completely remove teenagers from nicotine because nicotine is awesome. I miss smoking.
Vaping is one thing, but how many of these kids have endured sitting in the back of a Caprice with your Mom/Dad/Aunt/Uncle/Friends Parent...whoever chain smoking Salems with the windows up, "because it is cold out"? Not speaking from experience, just a general question...
I'm basically 40 and I don't think anyone in my generation had to endure that. About the worst second had smoke exposure we had was when people could still smoke in bars. Or the smoking section at the local diner.
That is literally the cut off. Ten more years, i.e. 50 year olds and there is smoke everywhere. There were ashtrays on shopping carts. You could smoke in school.
You and I had a very different childhoods then, I'm nearly 36 and up until about middle school second hand smoke was a very regular occurrence for me.
I'm 44 and this scenario was common for me, except it was a v8 malibu wagon.
I have a good friend who's smoked for 30 years, and when we'd hang out in the winter, I had to endure freezing my ass off by the back door or driving with an icy wind in my face because he had to have his hit.
At least smoking cigarettes makes you look cool.
Puffing on a vape pen makes you look like a dipshit.
Yeah, but you can do it anywhere. My nicotine consumption probably quadrupled when I discovered juul and then later Nicotine salts. I was never a huge smoker. A couple a week but I vaped non stop. I have since quit all of it.
Don't vape in the gym. Cause if you do that, you're a Tuul.
Same. Never was a smoker aside from on occasional cigarette or cigar during a night of partying with friends in college. Discovered the flavored vapes 3 years ago and now half of my friends group (all early to mid 30s), myself included uses them at least semi-regularly. I can easily vape like it was normal air for 4 hours while drinking with friends and then not touch it for 4-5 days. Man, I love sweet nicotine.
smoking cigarettes makes you look cool
if youre already cool
Shit
i come from the era when some ladies used a cigarette holder. as a kid i felt there was something different about the girls who used a long one...
That, or a Cheech and Chong movie.
a really, and i mean really, good cigar once or twice a week is a real treat. unless you've had a real noncounterfeit cuban i feel for you!
Looks like smoking a robots cock.
Only good line from season 2 of True Detective.
the electric skinflute
Peter Griffin giving a press conference, in reference to all the microphones:
"Hey, doesn't this look like I'm talking into a bunch of robot penises?"
It could be the lead in the gasoline was giving us super powers. I remember when ephedra (gas station natural speed that was actually natural) was banned because some minor league baseball player died. It turned out he ate like 100 pills when you are only supposed to take two.
I got put on the meth list and declined a purchase at walgreens because I bought too much Primatene too close together. Apparently eventually they take you off because I can buy it again.
I'd love to see meth be punishable by deportation, just because of all the common things those fucks have messed up for the rest of us.
Whenever I buy the real stuff at Walgreens I always sign it Papa Smurf.
So before watching the slow motion version in the link Jack shared I only saw this re-play in real time. At actual speed it looks much more like he is trying to maintain his balance after the first contact vs. the slo-mo making it look more purposeful.
What is your opinion on the changes that have been made to the game in regards to fighting and physicality in general?
I am of the opinion that back in the enforcer days the game was less risky because there were consequences if you fucked around...you'd find out. Now there are a handful of "goons" that seem to go unchecked throughout the league, and everyone is on the sidelines bitching about their actions, but they continue to play without consequences. Neither situation is right, but I'd be curious to hear your take on which you feel is less wrong as a fellow Hockey fan.
The game has gotten softer for sure. Probably better in the long run people aren't having their careers ruined for skating through the middle with their heads down but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the good old days. I'm not sure how much "enforcement" really matters but I like a good fight.
The original purpose of the team enforcer (and every team had one) was to rein in any player on the opposing side who was trying to take down, by injury, the team's star player. That guy would go out and put the other guy out of the game, or worse.
Ref's looked the other way, because usually the target had it coming.
When it got to extreme or someone got seriously hurt? You got arrested, tried, and (usually) sent to prison. Hockey players have been going to jail for a long time.
As to the violence in hockey? The league believes it sells tickets. Just like the crashes in Nascar. So of course they support it.
I had season tickets to the Columbus Blue Jackets early on. That was painful, but, if you took a shot at Rick Nash, you got acquainted with Jody Shelley.
"You remember things as being better than they really were. Nature does that on purpose. Otherwise, no one would ever have more than one kid, or get remarried or keep cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs."
- Red Green
I work with a lot of guys in Toronto. They remain die-hard Leafs fans. All of them have admitted they are not sure why they stick with them. Hope springs eternal.
And Cubs fans. And Browns fans.
Leafs suck
Hit Somebody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkO-m3sPoPA
>I watch a lot of hockey. I have never seen a move like that before.
I came here to basically type the same thing. I've seen a lot of reckless hits but I've never in my life seen one that looked like this one.
The neon video is listed as private. Won't load for me.
Same here.
Fixed now. Sorry!
Carrying grudges in any sport isn't healthy. Galloping Ghost crashed and killed all those people (and almost me) because the pilot was carrying a grudge and he got one of those 'I'll do it or DIE TRYING' moments.
Guess what? He died.
(That guy who over pulled the year before last and killed himself? SAME DAMN THING. - I'll WIN or I'll DIE TRYING!! - But at lease he didn't kill anybody else.)
Did he call the other player’s wife a lesbian?
"does that make him..."
MotoGP in Thailand was a phenomenal race! Tire wear concerns meant that the pack stayed together and Bagnaia, who bled a lot of points in the sprint, had to bang and barge his way up to the leading pack without burning up his available grip. 1-2-3 of Martin, Binder, and Bagnaia were still duking it out into the last lap and fighting for position. Martin carefully managed his tires, kept his cool, and won the race ahead of Bagnaia, thanks to Binder's last lap track limits error which saw him knocked down a position ex post facto. There are only a handful of points separating the two top men with three races and three sprints to go which makes it anyone's championship at this point. This competition between not just the top two but the fighting going on further down the field has made for an exciting end of season.
The sprint had no one manage their tires and Martin earn what looked like another easy win with a comfortable margin and Bagnaia tiptoed to the point where he made zero positions. This led to a lot of race day concerns that Bagnaia would lack aggression but he more than made up for it.
We watched MotoGP before F1 this weekend and I thought to myself that Perez’s attempt at the first corner looked a lot like Pecco’s attempt at the final (or was it penultimate?). Either way it was big, exciting risk, didn’t work out but also didn’t cost him anything at the end of the day.
It’s too bad we can’t see the tire pressures because Pecco seems to be very comfortable laying back in the dirty air the latter half of the season, but he doesn’t seem to complain as much about his fronts as others.
Also, rumor at the start of the week that Ducati is gonna move Martin to the factory seat was interesting. I didn’t read past the headline but it’s fun to consider for next year.
I grew up in the North East (NY, out on the Island) and spent a lot of winters skating. While I was never interested in playing hockey, I sure watched a LOT of it.
Did he hit him with the skate on purpose? Yes. No one at that level doesn't keep track of his feet or those two razor sharp blades on them. Did he mean to kill the guy? That video really isn't good enough on that site to be sure, but if I had to guess? Probably. He definitely meant to fuck him up but good. Should he go to jail? Definitely. He should be banned for life from hockey as well.
I've seen skaters and players like that before - they go into a rage and lash out and lose all sense. Only lasts a moment (usually) but a moment is all it takes. Now maybe I'm being too harsh, maybe it wasn't intentional, and maybe he's not like that.
But he still killed someone out on the ice and it was his fault.
I'm sure his teammates CAN answer the question as to if he was crying because he killed someone? Or because he got caught and will pay the consequences? The talk in the locker room that night was without a doubt, enlightening. THEY know the truth, they play with the guy after all. But you can be sure they ain't talking.
I feel like one of the handful of times I watched past the Who-soundtrack intro on one of the many CSI shows, the murder was a guy getting his throat cut in a hockey game during an on-ice melee...
To this day, I can’t tell if I hate the Who because of all those CSI shows, or if I hate those CSI shows because of the Who.
Sounds like you...
don't know Who to blame.
YEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
*deep sigh*
Why didn't I think of this first?
Racing question - what are you allowed to do to your Radical within the rulebook to make it quicker around the track?
For SCCA GTX, I'm allowed to change my tires from the Radical Cup spec tire of C52 Medium to SCCA-legal C72 Soft, and... that's it. The SR8 has a very specific "line" in the regulations.
CRAP
guess the only real mod is git gud
Yeah, but that one's forever wearing off.
At some point I need to sack up and buy a Stohr. See if I can win a national championship. But my God is it expensive to do. Probably a $150k season on top of the car.
fug
Racing and Vegas. What they do to fortunes...
Yup. And I've certainly made mistakes in both places.
Avoidable contact subscriptions should come with Decals you put on the car. You treat that as advertising racing revenue. You write off racing expenses. Can you do this? I can confidently recommend this as someone you are not paying to do your taxes. Can you really do this? Maybe!
He needs a swag store. More money for racing and Chryslers!
Stohrs are so fucking cool, you should do it.
What is it about sports racers that you like over other categories?
I don't fit well into most formula cars, so... At the risk of sounding like an idiot or egotist, I've done about all I want to do in sports cars and sedans. I'm not going to get any better at driving them; my data is already as good as the pros. So this is a new frontier for me to improve.
Watching the video, I can see what a communicative feel that steering wheel is sending you, something that is devoid in standard road cars.
The video car, as I recall, is a 260Z!
You mean the video labeled SR8 radical?
Oh no I thought you meant the crash video linked in the text.
The SR8 has manual steering so yeah...
Perhaps he’s just Happy Gilmore fan. Hockey allows for too much physical confrontation which is why you have escalations like this. When fights become part of the show just like a NASCAR crash keeping things watchable and interesting; it seems an inevitability.
Probably why you see so much Nation Felon League murders etc OUTSIDE of the game. Too much money and tied hands to vent it out on the field.
The NFL is the Bloods and the Crips fighting without weapons, to paraphrase Rush Limbaugh.
Boy, where to start?
I made my first parachute jump at 16. I started rock and ice climbing at 18, fairly serious mountaineering at 20. Got my first motorcycle at 18, started road racing at 20 as soon as I had a few bucks scraped together. I learned to fly in my late twenties. I’m not immune to the lure of the abyss.
And yet, so much of that stuff seems like wasted time to me now.
I quit mountaineering around the time I met my wife; with relief, if truth be told. I was scared all the time on a big mountain. There’s more than a touch of masochism to mountaineering.
I kept the motorcycles, but quit racing. I was good at riding fast, but not good at the racing part. I didn’t like the thought that some dips**t could put me on a ventilator for the rest of my life out of pure carelessness.
I kept flying, but quit towing gliders. I was eating breakfast one Sunday morning with my pregnant wife, my two year old son, and my one year old daughter. I got a call that one of the other tow pilots had crashed and burned that morning while departing with a glider under tow. I didn’t want some other guy raising my kids.
I never held the nine-to-fivers with a wife and kids in any kind contempt: I just thought that it seemed like a boring sort of life to me. Little did I know that the best, most exciting hours of my life would be the ones I spent with my wife, and especially with my children. Everything else fades into insignificance.
And now, my son has a couple hundred flying hours under his belt at age twenty. And a Sportster. I could stop him from riding, I suppose. But I can’t bring myself to do that.
I would go back to roadracing a bike in a heartbeat, but I almost never ride on the street - much more dangerous.
Yep this. One of life's great ironies that track riding is probably safer than road riding.
one of the best things i've ever read around her. well done!!!
Thank you.
Seconded.
What a story. May the best years remain ahead, bud.
Thank you- I’m bracing myself for the kids leaving the nest.
The empty nest thing is _REAL_ ~ I don't miss my ex wife at all but I fell off a cliff when my son moved out .
-Nate
But, did you ever get to sing for your father?
Long story, but not only did my father sign the permission slip at the skydiving center, he went with me. He’d been a paratrooper in the Army.
Long time ago I was in the mountains "near" some PJs (also a long story that may have involved misappropriating government resources). I know other JSOC guys like to bag on them but those guys were literally Olympic level athletes. Anyway one night I hear from one of the other tents "I don't know why I do this shit. The only time I'm happy out here is when I'm shoveling food in my face."
One of my buddies, after a climb, said, “ I don’t know why I like to be cold and wet and scared when I could just be scared.”
JM : this is called being an adult and deciding what's most important to you .
-Nate
I'm indebted to you for our conversation about that turn 1 kart fatality. I'd have gotten back in the kart/car regardless (though if I'd caused it rather than merely seen it unfold in front of me, things might be different), but being able to talk about what it means to do these things--and really, what living means-- with a person with similar values was critical to my making peace with that decision.
Thank you for choosing me to have the conversation.
Important to note that Yuki’s lapse of judgement cost the team 4 points, which would represent about $20MM (in terms of prize money delta).
If it comes down to that in Abu Dhabi, he should be fired straight into the Rising Sun, Honda money or not; and speaking of Honda …
The jungle drums were beating overtime on Sunday night. Lots of rumors and innuendo, but the consensus is that something along the lines of the following has - or will shortly - taken place:
0-Stroll Sr selling the Aston Martin F1 team - which is contracted to have a Honda power unit in 2026 - to someone else. The buyer could be Aramco / PIF, Honda, or someone else.
1-One of both of this change in control or the team’s dismal performance in the back half of the year would trigger one of the many escape clauses in Fernando’s contract.
2-So … Fernando would be on the market looking for a top seat. Who might have a vacancy? Red Bull!
3-Which would result in a seat swap - Fernando goes to Red Bull to find out how good Max really is, and Perez returns to his old Force India / Racing Point team to help the new owners make sense of things.
4-Stroll Jr is off to WEC, where he will win Le Mans!
YES
YES
YES
"Important to note that Yuki’s lapse of judgement cost the team 4 points, which would represent about $20MM (in terms of prize money delta)."
In his shoes, I would merely note that until this weekend, they had NO POINTS that he didn't provide.
Alonso to Red Bull is a story for the ages and would open a legendary chapter in the sport. Even Max should be in favor of it, because he should be able to beat Fernando 3 out of 4 times AND put the chatter about his weak teammates to bed, forever.
Christian Nimmervoll has just poured cold water on the Alonso to Red Bull story, and he is very plugged-in - https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-you-can-forget-the-alonso-to-red-bull-f1-rumours/10541230/
$20MM is a LOT of money, even in F1; and didn’t Liam Lawson score points?
Yesterday I raced my coworker from the stoplight through the intersection. My 2020 MDX destroyed his 2015 4-banger Subaru Forester.
I have a houseguest and we drank 2 bottles of wine in 3 hours last night. He knocked over the savory roasted almonds as we were cleaning up and I raced my 10.5 pound schnoodle for them. The schnoodle won. Today they were in his poop.
That is all the racing news I know about but I like to feel included.
Ridiculous that SCCA allows your MDX in that class. The Forester driver should protest.
The mommy wagon class plays pretty fast and loose with the inspections. I just drop a few buttons and they usually let me through.
I can't wait for next season when you return with the MDX type S with the turbo motor
Not gonna lie, I really wanted that one, but couldn't justify the extra 10k, having to buy one a thousand miles away, and really having to hunt for a color combination that wasn't my favorite.
I mean, what I really wanted was a land cruiser, but I really couldn't justify spending twice as much for a car with 100k on it already.
People think Land Cruisers last forever, and they do, but they last forever like W126 Benzes last forever -- with a cash hose hooked up to them.
Would you like to see my cash hose?
Can't get the Jack Daniels in the washer tank past Tech, though.
Like they're too good for it.
Naw, they just want a taste .
-Nate
Hey, fine with me.
I see you're already a member of THIS esteemed club, but you should consider joining as well the Dull Mens Club on Facebook, if you are dumb enough (like me) to still have a Facebook account in 2023. Based on the story above, and your willingness and enthusiasm in relating it, you belong.
I am that dumb.
I still don't Ken why anyone ever joins facebok .
-Nate