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Dear hivemind, I need recommendations for a chrome cleaner/rust remover. The Appliance wheels on my '77 Econoline featured here a few months back are in need of a major revival. I wish Quick-Glo was still available because that stuff looks like what I need. Basically something to remove the surface rust, polish and fill/coat with some sort of wax/protectant. Before anyone says anything about aluminum foil and _____, nope, not gonna do it.

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Scott A's avatar

Elbow grease?

Sorry for no practical suggestions

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Quick Glo and Chromax were the best. When I worked at a bike shop, we used the hell out of it. Both have been gone for a couple of years now.

I’d check out a vintage BMX Facebook group or the BMX Museum forum and see what those guys are using now. I’ve done an OA bath on old chrome parts, but I’m not sure how that would work with a wheel.

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Andrew White's avatar

I use S100 total motorcycle cleaner on a lot of chrome bike stuff, from plasti-chrome to real steel triple plated HOSS chrome. It's weak enough not to etch, but removes brake dust and road scum pretty easily.

Rust remover I use the turtle wax bottle stuff and a rag to hand rub any rust off. I know a lot of people use twirly brushes in a power tool, but I don't.

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KoR's avatar
Apr 23Edited

All I want is for a manufacturer to make something akin to a 300 C that won’t cost me $450/mo to insure OR German money to maintain. Is that too hard to ask?

Unrelated to everything else in this post:

1) The 2026 Lexus ES has been released and it looks tragically bad. Pretty much every Lexus design takes me a while to appreciate, but YIKES. All hybrid powertrain is to be expected, and the interior has been predictably enshittified as well. Would be just fine if it still looked good. As is, yuck.

2) I found a V8 NC Miata for sale on marketplace and can someone here please buy it so I can live vicariously through you

https://www.facebook.com/share/1BRkhfCiF7/?mibextid=wwXIfr

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Oh, for God's sake, that's just a motherf*****g Crown!

So my timeline for ES350UL ownership just dropped from "whenever" to "sell something and order". Ugh.

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Ataraxis's avatar

And the value of used ones just went up, too.

I’m wondering who the market is for this abomination? It’s really bad.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Chinese market, ASEAN.

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David Florida's avatar

It's not as attractive as the current Prius, for crying out loud.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Really good design video showing just how horrible the ES is compared to the current design. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKskQWCFnYI

Even worse, the hybrid version only has 244hp and is slow because it’s so much bigger and heavier than the current car. 0-60 of 7.8 seconds! A total fail.

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MD Streeter's avatar

Good grief, I'm old enough to remember when 7.8 sec to 60 was quite fast...

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Scott A's avatar

1995?

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Jared Harris's avatar

Ugh. Forget my pro-Mercedes blathering from Sunday; I’ll be right there with you just as soon as I can drop the S600 from my fleet. Wonder how hard it is to get exactly what you want from Lexus versus just taking whatever your dealer has on hand?

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KoR's avatar

It’s EXTREMELY hard. You can’t order cars through Lexus or Toyota like you can with pretty much any other OEM. They work by allocation exclusively.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

What he said. It's the worst process imaginable.

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KoR's avatar

It’s a downright bizarre business model with Lexus. They are selling cars and SUVs at like $130k and won’t really allow for customization or ordering?

They do sell everything (except the LS) they manage to get their hands on, though, so perhaps I’m the one that’s wrong.

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Peter Collins's avatar

It is just such an astonishing contrast between the US and the UK (and probably still more Europe generally). Lexus isn't exactly dead here, but it has an awfully bad limp. And the styling has gone from anonymous to trying-a-bit-hard to hideous. I am a fan of the brand, but I think I might have to accept the prospect of a breakdown over the certainty of being laughed at. Or just find a spare c. 2000 model to keep for the day my current one expires!

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Ajla's avatar

I tried to buy an IS500 but no dealer was interested in working with me.

Another family member wanted a RX350 AWD without 21 inch wheels and we were kindly invited to leave and never come back.

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Nplus1's avatar

I'm pretty sure you can special order an LC500 but nothing else. They call it Bespoke.

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JPDFR's avatar

I find that surprising… in the Canadian market you can definitely factory order Lexus products. I know, because I have a GX 550 on order (and the lead times are long!)

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Steve Ward's avatar

Tell them they will get free publicity here at ACF and its worth millions!

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Jared Harris's avatar

Sounds like a real crapshoot to find allocations unless you happen to know someone at the dealer level with an allocation.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Too bad nobody in the Baruth family knows any auto dealers. ;)

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Jeff Winks's avatar

Seems the only way to get a Toyota spec’d like you want is wait and buy a lease return.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Jared, you should probably stay with your first love, Mercedes-Benz, and avoid the siren song of Lexus. I just learned that Ladytron released a self-titled album in 2019: the cover contains no Toyota products:

https://www.ladytron.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/ladytron-st.jpg

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That Damn Pragmatist's avatar

FWIW I was rather disappointed with my 2020 ES350L. Of course it's just a gussied-up Camvalon, but as someone who was a teenager when the original LS400 utterly blitzkrieged the Germans, it still surprised me how cheap it felt and looked in many areas.

It didn't help that the driver's door reverberated like a timpani every time you closed it from the outside, or that the infotainment UI absolutely sucked. (Based on my experiences with service loaners, adding touchscreen functionality in 2022 did nothing to improve the overall system interface or lag.)

Also, while remote start is nice, it's also essentially pointless when the car shuts off the moment you open a door, even with the fob in hand. And what manufacturer today doesn't offer retained accessory power?!?

On the flip side, it was a phenomenal road car (the weight saved from skipping out on door insulation apparently helps it get better than 32 mpg highway) and it was also quite the looker in Eminent White Pearl. Still, I dumped it 17 months after buying it (doubling the 7500 miles on its odometer at purchase in that time) without a trace of regret.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Apparently a vintage LS400 is also a bad idea, given the poor OEM parts support, among other reasons:

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/146xs10/why_arent_more_people_buying_these_old_ls400s/

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Jack Baruth's avatar

That was already the case when Farah was doing his car a decade-plus ago. They were very unique cars with very few shared parts.

My ES300 can dip into the AutoZone Camry V6 inventory, which is great.

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Wheelview's avatar

You may want to reconsider your stance on the ES350. I am currently kicking myself for erring on the side of fiscal responsibility and picking up a CR-V Hybrid instead of the ES350 I had my eye on. It still might be worth the bath I have to take to get one

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Nick H's avatar

I'd gladly pay MSRP for a Lexus LS 500 with the 5.0L V8 as God intended with the badge.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Exactly. The IS500 has the five-liter, so why doesn’t the big boy?

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Nplus1's avatar

Cause that's going away in a couple months.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah but it shouldn't have stopped them for the last four years.

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Mikal's avatar

So why not sell both and get the is500?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Sell both of what?

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Mikal's avatar

the 300 and the Lexus, it should net out even but you will lose _something_ of course in representation and t levels

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Midwife Crisis's avatar

The two interesting things about the new ES are that it's longer than the 3rd-gen LS460, and in the US you'll be able to buy one with a 2-seat executive package that was only typically seen in the flagship luxury sedans. Between that and the hybrid, I expect to see many of them as black cars in New York

I'm excited for the post in the next few weeks when Jack suddenly finds the money for that ES350 he's been lusting after for the past year or two while the current ES inventory gets closed out. The Chinese businessman is now the target customer of the ES instead of the Floridian retiree; the car debuted in Shanghai instead of New York or Chicago as in the past

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KoR's avatar

Yeah I mean at this point all sedans are basically made for the Chinese market, and if they manage to make their to the states at all it’s a miracle.

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Speed's avatar

again

the solution is a bomb at the three gorges damn

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Peter Collins's avatar

Bring me my (bouncing) bomb of burning gold!

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sgeffe's avatar

Been saying that sometime in the last 50 years, a 5 or 10 MT airburst over downtown Beijing would have helped the world a lot!

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Steve Ward's avatar

Didn’t Gen. MacArthur almost propose just that in 1951?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Curtis LeMay did, and he could have made it happen.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I think I'm going to be, as the kids say, ass-out.

I can't carry that car payment with what I currently have. I could sell my F-250 but that would make getting to the races a bit tricky.

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Steve Ward's avatar

you just need to get over your car-lust

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Ataraxis's avatar

Well the manufacturers have definitely cured me of new car lust.

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Adam 12's avatar

Amen. The new year cars used to be hard to get. Now they are hard to want.

Come to think of it like many of the opposite gender these days…

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Ataraxis's avatar

Ha ha! JB’s Chrysler, the Dodge Challenger and Charger, and the Lexus ES350 were the last new cars I liked. At least a lot of old people bought the ES350s so there will be many clean low mileage examples available for years.

I used to love auto shows, yearly model changeovers, and car magazines, but that’s all over and never coming back. The only automotive content I like now is looking at interesting old cars on Bring a Trailer or YouTube channels featuring old cars.

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Scott A's avatar

Its better for him than liquor or women

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Chuck S's avatar

and roughly as expensive as guitars, if he's still got as many as he did when I last visited

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I sold $3800 of guitars last week, and am trying to sell $38,000 more.

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Speed's avatar

that was the exact one that popped up in my miata fb groups and you beat me to it

theyre probably as great as everyone says and then some

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KoR's avatar

It is distressingly close to where I live.

It is also distressingly $40k more than I have to spend on a car right now and *probably* distressingly impossible to register in my state.

So. Please someone else buy this.

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Dan's avatar

Can we interest sir in an IS or GS F?

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KoR's avatar

Would buy an IS500 today, tomorrow, yesterday if I could afford one.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I maybe should have gotten an IS500 instead of the Chrysler. It's a better car by a long shot. But I'm not sure it would have satisfied my desire for a V8 street hooligan *or* a "proper" Lexus.

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Scott A's avatar

I sometimes think the same thing. Im not a huge lexus guy but the is500 looks nice and im a sucker for a v8 and ive never even owned one. Probably more than i wanted to spend at the time but 10k extra over five years isnt that much. But i really like the s4 so i dont think about it too much

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Nplus1's avatar

I put a deposit on an IS500 and test drove a used one the dealer had. I don't have much bad to say about it, but they did sell the limited edition model I wanted to someone else. I took back my deposit and went next door to buy a new Miata. Still not sure if that was a great choice or if I'll regret it one day.

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Ice Age's avatar

Maybe I have an overactive sense of dignity and THAT'S why the Casey Putschs of the world offend me, but the Standard Model of internet auto journalist lacks the sheer class to play it straight and hang up the act, instead insisting they're king shit of the world.

They remind me of the $5 B-movie DVDs in the Walmart bargain bin that're covered in critics' accolades, desperately trying to convince me "Transmorphers" is worth two hours of my life.

Dude, you suck. Just slink back into obscurity with your head held high.

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AJS's avatar

"Transmorphers" tricked a girlfriend's grandparents into a purchase back in the day. Her brother just wanted the Megan Fox movie, but ended up being gifted an off-brand ripoff; it was legitimately funny!

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Midwife Crisis's avatar

Watches of Espionage blogged about how he feels about the modern-day Rolex buying experience. The complaints echo those I've seen from Rennlist veterans about what it's like to buy a new 911 GT3. https://www.watchesofespionage.com/blogs/woe-dispatch/buying-the-new-rolex-gmt-master-ii-love-hate-review-2025

"For my generation, Rolex was known as something luxurious but, eventually, and with hard work, obtainable. But I fear that this is no longer the case. Each year, millions of potential customers leave one of the boutiques demoralized, promised that their name is on a list (it's not), and never hear anything. Play this out over decades, it is bound to have a real impact on one of history's greatest brands. Rolex may lay claim to hearts and minds for now, but what about the next generation when they become wealthy enough to play in this arena, having come up in an age where they weren't "good enough" to "deserve" a Rolex, whether they had the money or not?"

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Scott A's avatar

"Watches of Espionage blogged about how he feels about the modern-day Rolex buying experience. The complaints echo those I've seen from Rennlist veterans about what it's like to buy a new 911 GT3."

Or Taylor swift tickets.

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Steve Ward's avatar

was it you who made some comment a while back about taking out a second mortgage to buy TS tickets for your daughters?

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Scott A's avatar

I looked at the ticket prices and laughed. “Nope! Sorry kiddo” Im not paying 5-10k for concert tickets. I am too cheap a person to do it regardless of my income.

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Steve Ward's avatar

Its a good teaching moment. “You want a ticket, get a job”. They will soon learn how many hours at minimum wage they need to work to buy one.

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Scott A's avatar

Pesky labor laws wont let my oldest, who is five, work! Which is also why i wasnt going to spend 2-3k each for her and her mother. Still wouldnt if she was 16 of course

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Steve Ward's avatar

LOL, just wait until you have 4 teenage girls throwing a simultaneous massive meltdown fit over how you are ruining their lives forever. I’m thankful I had boys.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

This dude is living in a past that no longer exists.

"Operators" haven't worn Rolexes in 40 years.

There are maybe 200 million people out there who can afford a new Rolex and are reasonable prospects for one. Rolex makes 1.2 million watches a year. The vast majority of them go to brown or yellow (I'm being sarcastic, but not inaccurate) people now. The numbers are against any Western watch fancier.

At any point you can go buy a Tudor that is of equal quality, occasionally has more features, is designed by the same people, and will have the same lifespan. They are rarer by a factor of four, and history suggests they'll have solid resale value in the long run.

I could have bought a GMT-Master II two weeks ago in Japan. Instead I bought a Grand Seiko. I don't want to be associated with the Rolex market and all that drama. My wife could have bought a Sky-Dweller, but instead she got a Top Gun Doppelchrono because she prefers it. You can argue that we were "lost" to Rolex, but in truth, Rolex doesn't care and neither do we. Rolex can sell their existing production into China alone for the next fifty years.

The GT3 situation is exactly the same. Porsche and Rolex are the My First Luxury Thingy for a swelling class of global strivers, all of whom are terrified of not getting exactly what their peers have. There are better, faster, more interesting cars -- but they don't send that precise message that these people want to send.

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Speed's avatar

"the My First Luxury Thingy for a swelling class of global strivers, all of whom are terrified of not getting exactly what their peers have"

oh god i hate these people so much

its all so insufferably cringe and gay

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Scott A's avatar

Have you watched the “friends and neighbors” on apple tv? Your social commentary on it would be interesting.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I try to avoid Apple TV but I could take a look!

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Scott A's avatar

Me too. I watched the free episode on amazon which i should also be trying to avoid

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AJS's avatar

They've been running a better-than-usual promotion of 3 free months lately. There isn't a ton of content on there, but most of it is above average, and they excel at science fiction - Silo is excellent.

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Jeff R's avatar

Apple TV has some great shows lately. Slow Horses is fantastic. Also enjoyed The Afterparty, Bad Monkey, and The Studio. Not sure that the others would be to your taste, but I think you'd like Slow Horses.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I have. It’s decent.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Had a meeting today with an old friend who does some consulting work for PCNA; he’s in Atlanta for some dealer meeting Kumbaya.

PCNA is expecting high-spec new GT3s to be $400K+ cars out the door given MSRP, numerous options, tariff impact (uncertain as yet), rapacious ADMs, and taxes on top of all of that.

$400K+ is far above “My First Luxury” altitude. Moreover, the 911 Carrera S is a $200K+ car with modest options.

This is a big problem for Porsche. Their customers have good jobs, but they don’t own the company like, e.g., Ferrari clientele.

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Speed's avatar

400k is a serious amount of money

you think porsche is angling for ferrari customers or is it just that the cars arent going to sell

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I think there is a BIG difference between a typical 911 customer - the professional who commutes in a 911, the guy striving for a GT3, Mr. Corner Office with a 911 Turbo - and a (serious) Ferrari customer who buys new.

Porsche guys on Rennlist fret over losing $50K in depreciation on a car; Ferrarichat guys reason that $50K is a few weeks (or less) of passive brokerage account appreciation.

To be clear: PCNA isn’t happy about the $400K+ GT3 market (unless they all sell!), but figure good builds will be high $200s to low $300s plus tariff, plus whatever ADM the dealer can get, plus taxes on top of ALL of that, and it’s thereabouts.

So if $400K+ gets you a new GT3, which is very similar to the old GT3, which is very similar to the GT3 before that one, and so on … OR it gets you a delivery miles Ferrari 296 GTB (pick your spec, there are nearly 200 advertised for sale nationwide) that will take a 918 Spider to Gapplebees PLUS another ~$100K to buy a Novitec exhaust, a new watch, a nice trip to Europe, etc. which one are you gonna choose?

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Speed's avatar

good point

a new gt3 is nice but its got nothing on a 296 when it comes to curb appeal or straight line performance especially when its 100k cheaper

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It has one important thing over a 296: you can be a little cuck of a dude and feel comfortable in one. Owning a Ferrari requires you be willing to deal with the drama and attention.

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Nplus1's avatar

The answer to your hypothetical is obvious to me but I doubt I think the same way as these customers. My immediate impression of the 296 was to hate on the 6-cylinder engine. Although, that's what you get in the Porsche, too.

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Steve Ward's avatar

A stupid amount of money.

I’ll have the Miata with LS for $40k please.

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Speed's avatar

an outstanding bargain

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ChipotleDoc's avatar

you can get away with a 911 in a doctor's parking lot if people think its a 100k car. If they think it costs as much as the house they're looking at they will hate you.

And for my dentist buddies, they sure as hell are going to be wondering how much of their crown payment is going towards your car

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

My father was a dentist (now retired).

He had a small practice with 7 exam rooms, each of which featured an artistic interpretation of one of the wooden boats he had at the time (also 7). This was in the late ‘90s. One day, a grumpy patient pointed at his 80 series Land Cruiser and exclaimed “I PAID FOR THAT!” The wooden boat artwork came home in the Land Cruiser that evening.

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Scott A's avatar

And dad responded “and i wrote it off!”

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Harry's avatar

The problem is the middle aged receptionist parks her rusty cavalier 3 spaces away and gives the nurse shit about leasing a new Camry.

My wife lasted a year and a half parking her 996 in her reserved spot. Just felt mortified whenever she went to work.

The patients don't give a shit, but it isn't great for staff morale. Maybe it is different now that poors lease 3 series.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Another hometown story:

There was a guy about 15 years my father’s junior who was also a dentist in my hometown. He did a number of things that my father found distasteful: he advertised (heavily), he had these MEGAWATT veneers that he thought would be another form of (positive) advertisement, and he cheated on his first wife with a dental hygienist. After having married the dental hygienist, he sold his practice and became an employee at a “medical campus” in town.

After he sold the practice, he bought a bright yellow Gallardo to drive to work, which he parked in the sizable parking lot of the sizable medical campus building (he double parked in the corner by the dumpster). Word got around quickly, of course (this was just before 2008). His ex-wife started dating a man in the tree service business who was into drugs, so she followed suit (into drugs, not stump grinding). One day, she appeared at the medical campus tweaked out on meth and keyed every panel on the Gallardo.

The younger dentist is in his late 50s now and drives a Cybertruck. Naturally, my father finds that distasteful, as well.

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Harry's avatar

That poor Gallardo.

His ex was already winning the divorce by staying thin.

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JPDFR's avatar

Seems like a town full of colourful characters.

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gt's avatar

I had a guy moonlighting with company mowers stop by my (admittedly pretty nice) house in his (admittedly ratty) E90 BMW to try and quote me $150 a pop to mow my lawn, at the time I had my $400 '91 Park Avenue in the driveway. I found a local kid to do it for $50 a mow, who has now grown it into a successful landscaping business (and I now pay $67 a mow three years later)

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Steve Ward's avatar

$150 to mow a lawn? GTFOOH! What do you have, like 3 acres?

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ChipotleDoc's avatar

which Grand Seiko?! I picked up a SBGJ237 and SBGA211 last year after my failed GMT attempt at Rolex ADs These two watches were bought new cheaper than GMTII MSRP, won't even speak of the grey market.

I still want a 41 fluted date just in mint green.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

SLGA025.

I went in on a snowflake but got enthusiastic.

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Chuck S's avatar

I have the impression the Snowflake (which I bought) is the "starter" Grand Seiko. the very lovely (literally and figuratively) saleswoman at Wako told me it is by far the most popular model.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Not the starter, it's 2x the price of the GS quartz. It's more like the GS enthusiasts' choice, basically it is the Focus RS of Spring Drives.

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Chuck S's avatar

Grand Seiko > Rolex.

Tudor > Rolex.

buy maybe I'm just biased because I have the former and hope to soon(ish) buy the latter

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Andy's avatar

So I sold some Porsche parts to a PCA member a few weeks back. Guy shows up in. PTS 991 GT3 to look them over. Lives a couple miles away. Personalized plate, 6sp.

Me: "Nice car."

PCA guy:"It's a manual, all my fun cars are manuals."

Me: "Do you track it? Must be fun on track."

PCA guy: "Nah, been busy."

Me: " C'mon out back I'll show you the parts."

PCA guy: "What's that in there?"

Me: "Cayman R."

PCA guy: "Oh yeah, how much HP? What year was that?"

Me: "2012. Like 340, likes short tracks [LIKE THE ONE LITERALLY 20 MINUTES AWAY WHERE DOOFUSES WITH GT3s SHOW UP FOR NOVICE DAY]"

PCA guy: "Will you take less for your parts?"

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Jack Baruth's avatar

This dude wants to run against you at Waterford like I want to fight Kimbo Slice in his prime, which is to say NOT AT ALL.

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Steve Ward's avatar

The correct reply would have been, “no, and for pricks the price is double”

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

often the message is just to themselves

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JPDFR's avatar

“ Rolex can sell their existing production into China alone for the next fifty years.”

You’ll find that the paradigm is shifting in the luxury goods market and its dependence on China. A lot of luxury conglomerates (LVMH, Richemont, etc) are currently struggling in the Chinese market.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Totally agreed, but I don't think that applies to Rolex AT ALL.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

There’s a Rolex boutique in Schiphol Airport. Like in the article, they’re all marked as “For Exhibition Only.”

I can maybe understand why things at a local dealer may be that way, but what is the point of “exhibiting” watches in an airport?

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Ataraxis's avatar

I went to a local winery the other day and the local BMW dealer had overpriced new models with the vehicles stickers on them randomly parked by the path from the parking lot to the tasting area. Last time I’ll go there.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Last time I skied at Beaver Creek they had Audis perked throughout the resort. Maserati had similar at Snowmass. When the Ghibli was new, they were doing test drives for interested parties.

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Steve Ward's avatar

So people can lust over them.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

That guy is dead wrong.

That attitude is part of “The Luxury Strategy” (there is a book by that title on the topic).

https://medialiteracysp13.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/snob-appeal-approach-youre-not-ready/

Rolex watches sell themselves. Just like Hermes bags, Ferraris, and GT3s. Every time the WSJ, FT, Bloomberg, or the NYT write an article about “Here’s this thing rich people want that they can’t get” the waitlists expand even further. Rolex solved a fundamental problem for the entirety of the Swiss watch industry by transforming a tool that rapidly lost its tool status / functionality into an acceptable form of status symbol / signaling / jewelry for men.

What’s more likely to be on someone’s wrist in 100 years? A Rolex Submariner that looks very similar to the models available today, or an Apple Watch?

It’s obvious to anyone with a brain that the Rolex (or any watch AD) “list” is non-linear. If you stroll in off the street to buy a Daytona or a Nautilus or a Royal Oak, you’ll get nowhere. If Brad Pitt walks in right after you and decides he wants to walk out with whatever they have in the safe, he will. If you don’t like that game, you can climb the greasy pole over time or pay the prevailing market price and have a dealer overnight you one minutes after your wire clears. To repeat, the author can be wearing a brand new Rolex on Friday if he executes a wire today; he just wants the preferential pricing afforded to better customers.

I do agree that Rolex should have something available for the walk-ins given their volume and ubiquity. You should be able to stroll in and walk out with a “basic” Submariner or Datejust. I don’t understand Jack’s bizarre boner for Tudor - most people want a Rolex, not a “it’s actually just as good, trust me” Tudor. If Rolex ceased to exist, what would happen to Tudor as a brand proposition? Nosedive. If Tudor ceased to exist, what would happen to Rolex as a brand proposition? Onward and upward.

The good thing about the watch secondary market is that they are commoditized, all the same when new(ish). If you want a 992 GT3 in GT Silver with buckets, manual, PCCB, full leather, and nose lift … you probably won’t be able to get exactly that car on a whim, even if you have the cash ready to go.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'I don’t understand Jack’s bizarre boner for Tudor - most people want a Rolex, not a “it’s actually just as good, trust me” Tudor. If Rolex ceased to exist, what would happen to Tudor as a brand proposition? Nosedive. If Tudor ceased to exist, what would happen to Rolex as a brand proposition? Onward and upward.'

I'll go further than that.

99% of people would rather have a perfect Chinese fake GMT-Master than a Tudor GMT made in Le Locle. Because they buy watches hoping to be noticed, to be seen as someone, to impress someone with what they've purchased.

I wear a Tudor, or GS, or the Seagull I had on yesterday, because I already *am* someone. Not the biggest someone, not the most famous, but I am a someone: an internationally recognized author, a champion on two wheels and four, someone who has built and designed systems in lasting use, beloved by enough women to fill a Starbucks. Therefore, I buy and wear what gratifies or interests me. I'm not "that guy with a Sky-Dweller". I'm Jack Baruth, wearing some watch.

Thank you for coming to my intravenous-grade-narcissism TED talk.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Non sequitur, once more.

My claim was simply about Tudor; at its essence, Tudor is - has always been, and almost certainly will always be - defined by its relation to Rolex.

This is like that apocryphal Sinatra quote: “You buy a Ferrari when you want to be someone. You buy a Lamborghini when you are someone."

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Jack Baruth's avatar

You're discussing branding, I'm discussing the actual watch. We are likely both correct in our own way.

There's some awful irony here, too, because today's Rolexes are vastly better than the old ones in every way you can measure. The person who pays $18k for a new "Bruce Wayne" is getting a much better watch than the person who buys an early GMT-Master. Yet there's a common consensus that the latter person has a claim, however mild, to moral superiority.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I am discussing “branding” because that is the most important, essential thing about Rolex! Tudor is trivial in comparison; it’s a barnacle riding along the hull of Rolex’s majestic super yacht.

Can you name ANY brand that has been nurtured and protected as much as Rolex?

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Steve Ward's avatar

Cadillac. Oh, wait …….

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Not disagreeing, but it's not important or essential to ME. I wore a Seagull yesterday and I'm wearing an Alpinist today. I judge Rolex as a physical product, not as a brand.

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

i have a magnificent heavy fake gold copy of some famous brand--with a tiny little extra watch on the band--that a distant relative bought me for $25 or so from some asian street vendor. it keeps good time of course. i like to wear it occasionally and when someone asks me about it i say it's fake but still tells the time!

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Ataraxis's avatar

Bark is the mastermind behind the backyard chicken coop movement?

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Speed's avatar

or hes long egg futures

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Justin's avatar

I was deeply disappointed when following the link that this wasn't the case.

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Ajla's avatar

"I get out of the 300C in a better mood than I was in when I entered it."

That's really what it comes down to. A Tesla Model 3 Performance or a HO Hurricane Charger would be quicker. Something like a Camry LE would get me to the same destinations for less money, with less hassle and more reliably. But, the personal satisfaction from my LX car outweighs whatever negatives it has. I also custom ordered my car so there is nothing on it that wasn't my decision.

I'm not sure what I'll replace it with. A V8 version of the new car would be most likely. Anything else (Mustang GT, used Audi S7, Corvette, etc.) would probably be a supplement rather than a replacement.

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Ice Age's avatar

I bought my Mustang GT with a manual because it's fun, and I love driving it.

Borg slushboxes are for lazy numbers fetishists.

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Matthew Horgan's avatar

Zf 8 speed is a hell of an (auto) trans

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Andy's avatar

Yes it is, especially if the OEM writes software emulates a dual clutch. That would be sport mode on the Audi S4, not quite as fast but fun nonetheless.

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burgersandbeer's avatar

This depends on how it's programmed. I don't love it on our x5. The shifts are are all noticeable, and it shifts often. I'm constantly slapping it in and out of sport mode to get it to behave how I want. I think I prefer the aisin 5-speed in my 05 Tundra.

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Scott A's avatar

While i would still prefer a manual the modern automatics are much better than i expected

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Ataraxis's avatar

To be honest, an automatic in flat as a pancake Illinois with no curvy roads is more apt.

A manual on the twisty mountain roads where I live is a real joy.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

In my mind I’m blasting down country roads. In reality I’m commuting 15 miles on an 8-lane surface street. Even a fun car doesn’t make that drive fun.

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Ice Age's avatar

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG!

Slushboxes are so lame, only Jesus could heal them.

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KoR's avatar

Tried for years to make a manual work on my daily slog...

Many hours crawling through traffic along the 95 corridor cures one of the manual elitism pretty quickly. Don't think I can ever go back to one as my only car again.

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MD Streeter's avatar

I'm super lame, so having never owned a manual-shifted car is on-brand for me.

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Speed's avatar

"Is Aston Martin doing anything at all to be competitive in 2025, or are they 100% focused on next year?"

if newey has a hand in next years car id wager that being the reason

"the 2026 Hyundai Palisade Hybrid can continue to operate the A/C while it's in EV mode and the gas engine is not running"

riveting. even if nobody else did this would anyone really care?

anyway referring to someone as anon reminded me that 4chan is down and possibly for good which sucks

"Eagle RS-A tires, which are still at legal tread depth"

is it just me or am i shocked that oem tires can last 50k plus miles hooked to a heavy and powerful fullsize sedan? some tires seem like they never wear out (i am convincing myself to get a set of falken rt600s or dunlop star specs for the miata instead of some cheap allseason)

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Well, the RS-As don't grip so they SHOULD last.

In my experience the all-season "Eagles" don't last, however.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The engine off A/C was called "Dog Mode" by Tesla and also greatly facilitates sleeping in the vehicle, which has now become aspirational.

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Harry's avatar

Porsche had that dog mode in the Cayenne before Tesla had a roadster. I think it had a time limit.

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Lynn W Gardner's avatar

Speed, I know driving conditions are different north of the border, however over the last two decades I have got 75,000 miles or more on Goodyear All Seasons on Helen’s 2005 Jeep Liberty (sold), 75,000 plus miles on Michelins on my 2005 Cadillac STS-V, 75,000 plus on All Season Goodyear on my 2015 Grand Charokee 4x4 (sold) 74,000 miles on Michelins on the 2018 Silverado and we have 50,000 miles on the Michelins on my 2023 Grand Charokee. Modern tyres seem to last if they are not abused (see Jack’s comments regarding abuse).

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Speed's avatar

thats absolutely incredible

i think some tires last longer than the lease of the car and are more likely to age out than to wear out

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Nplus1's avatar

I put 50k miles on the OE Pirellis that came on my GTI. I replaced them because one picked up a nail and I didn't think it was worth patching such old tires. They had enough tread to go 20k+ miles further.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

All hail hemi powered L cars! (Even if your final edition 300c should've been available as a widebody in F8 Green with saddle brown interior like a Charger was)

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'a widebody in F8 Green with saddle brown interior'

I'd pay $300 a month more for that, each and every month.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Best I can do is a green F8 with a body kit and a chocolate brown interior

https://www.ilusso.com/used-vehicle-2022-ferrari-f8-tributo-c-4376/#details_detail-5

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Gosh, I hate to say this offhandedly, but: WORTH THE MONEY.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

The ask is the thick end of $100K above the F8 market - granted it’s a special color and the interior was specced quite well, so that is valuable - but the aftermarket body kit would have to come off.

It’s hard to find a modern Ferrari in a good, classic spec: Rosso Corsa or Blu TDF, Cuoio or Beige Tradizione interior, Daytona race seats, silver five spoke wheels.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I'd be fine returning it to factory spec and selling the stuff, if it's worth anything.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

The full kit is $51K (!) plus installation, paint, etc. And then the ugly HRE wheels gotta go too.

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Gianni's avatar

Did F1 do a NASCAR for the Chinese sprint race for Sir? He’s been no where before or since and the British press is getting low on excuses.

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VTNoah's avatar

Took a ride in Bark’s 300. Awesome car. The valet at the restaurant we visited was VERY impressed with it. Glad Chrysler went ahead and made it.

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Eric Siedlecki's avatar

If/when Bark is ready to sell, I hope to hear about it. Might be a nice upgrade from our 300S 5.7.

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JT's avatar

If you are looking for a device for EKGs outside of a hospital, a cardiologist I know recommended this and said it is better than anything you’ll get out a smart watch. Basically, it is half of a 12 lead EKG. You can’t wear it all the time, but you can measure whenever you need to or on a regular schedule.

https://tinyurl.com/3j4wrrey

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I have one. It can't detect afib, which is my most pressing warranty expiration, but I do use it every day.

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JT's avatar

Interesting. It was an EP cardiologist who recommended it, and he told me that it would detect afib.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It can -- as long as it happens exactly when you're using it.

I don't have it THAT often or I'd already be out of a race car and into a cardiac ablation.

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JT's avatar

Timing is everything.

I hope it clears up soon. Afib is a hassle.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

My mother got that done a couple years ago, and a friend of mine only a few years older than me just recently got it done. Helped them both greatly so far!

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Hex168's avatar

I had two afib ablations. The second worked - that is not unusual. If you do get to that point, do lots of research on the doctor (I can give a recommendation if needed).

Afib was a drag. Before it was diagnosed, I quit skiing because I would do three moguls and have to pull over to stop and pant. Then I had multiple shocks to get my heart back into rhythm. (My wife asked for permission to press the button, not sure what that tells me.) When that stopped working, the next step was lots of drugs including a blood thinner. Afib won't kill you but a stroke caused by blood pooling in the heart might.

Then two ablations fixed it all.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

Glad you're doing better! Are you able to get back to skiing as well now?

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Is the automotive news game still dominated by clicks and monthly visitors, as it once was ?

If so, one wonders if that Drive headline wasn’t just Cernovichian intentional-error engagement bait tactic.

“Nothing gets more clicks or shares

Than making provocative statements

With little errors”

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

^ I think you're on to something! 🫏 = 🧠

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Jeff Winks's avatar

It’s all press releases

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Jack Baruth's avatar

The clicks are in the basement, and the monthlies are miserable.

Now it is 100% about affiliate purchases via Amazon and Anker, sadly.

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Scott A's avatar

And those sweet bribes

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

How many power banks and phone cords can one site sell per month?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Not enough, thus the continual hemorrhaging of staff.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

OT summary:

Canada will hold an election soon. This document, published in January but recently popularized, is a bombshell:

https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2025/hpc-phc/PH4-207-2025-eng.pdf

A hyperbolic (but not much) summary:

"By 2024, the rivers will run red with Canadian blood, but, as wonderful as that sounds, it could be a major problem because it could lead to, horror of horrors, fewer migrants (we offer our apologies for mentioning something so terrifying). Also, people may scapegoat CEOs, the government, and migrants, or even lose trust in a system that required them to finance their own dispossession and displacement."

The EEOC is investigating TCS for discriminating against non-Indians (shocking!)

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have fired around 300 Telegu employees for a scam (Telegu Indians scamming: hoocouldanode?) apparently involving charitable contribution matching. The Telegus would contribute to Telegu "charities" which would be matched by the employer, and then the "charities" would refund the money to the Telegus. These are the people that the Establishment entrusts with your personal mortgage data.

UPDATE: More details published today:

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/04/23/indian-visa-migrants-lose-jobs-in-ethics-enforcement/

(note that numerous tratorious Indian agents who have infiltrated the US government are pushing back)

The "NIL" fig leaf can be dropped: the NCAA, in direct contravention of its historical _raison d'être_, now allows college athletes to be paid directly and requests federal legislation to create nationwide uniformity.

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Speed's avatar

the election is on the 28th meaning five days from today in which canada will decide if it will slip into irreparable ruin or that but slightly slower

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Jeff Winks's avatar

They’ll go all in

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Henry C.'s avatar

US '24 was arguably the same thing.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

A quote from the traitorous foreign agents / enemy combatants defending their co-ethnics:

"It has been brought to my attention that Fannie Mae has accused hundreds of my constituents in the Indian-American community of fraudulent behavior and fired them without conducting a full investigation or providing evidence...We also request a briefing for ourselves and our staff at your earliest convenience"

Enemy combatants:

Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL)

Rep. Suhas Subramanyam (D-VA)

Rep. Shri Thanedar (D-MI)

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Steve Ward's avatar

I’m shocked at the lack of ethics. Not.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yeah; I've edited my post to use the words "enemy combatants." In many ways, India in 2025 is worse than the Soviets were in 1975. The latter inspired us to develop better technology and were less successful in infiltrating / colonizing our government and other institutions.

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Scott A's avatar

Have you seen academia though? The soviets werent stupid

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Scott A's avatar

I can confirm those “americans” were lying their asses off. Thank god for free market competition so we can fire those lousy Americans who dont know well enough to lie.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

" lousy Americans who dont know well enough to lie"

And whose skin color and ethnicity prevent them from joining the cartel.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

It's interesting how many millions of dollars are spent each year on lobbyists to create a particular form of "free market" which is dominated by scabs from one particular region of one particular country on the other side of the world with nothing in common with ours.

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Scott A's avatar

Im sure banking is 100% a free market and not supported by bought and paid for congressmen

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Jay's avatar

ad The Drive: the first sentence - "Feast your eyes on the 2026 Hyundai Palisade in the proverbial flesh" - is even worse than the headline (which you can blame on the intern-in-charge)

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah. Why does this thing have FLESH.

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Speed's avatar

becuase it yearns

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VTNoah's avatar

Speaking of fitness trackers, have you seen the Gshock fitness edition? Seems pretty cool as a replacement for an Apple Watch.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Some Garmin Phenix watches have built in pulse monitoring (at the wrist; without the chest strap).

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Scott A's avatar

Ive thought about a heart monitor so i can get into that nice 120-140 heart beat range but i found i could do that takkng my pulse with my fingers

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yes, but the Phenix also contains a GPS (and compass, thermometer, barometer, accelerometer for gait analysis), so you can measure your distances and pace precisely, run simulated races.

EDIT: It also can also be used in aviation:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/16/the-navy-is-issuing-every-f-a-18-pilot-a-garmin-watch-heres-why.html

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Scott A's avatar

I thought about that when i was riding 20 miles+ a day but i wasnt racing anyone and a stop watch worked if i was racing myself. I dont hate the technology but it’s superfluous unless you need precise monitoring

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yes! But that would be a left hand watch for me, and I'd have no excuse to wear my MR-G :)

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