OT Classified: I have a 2004 VW R32 in Black Magic Pearl that likely needs a new home due to me needing a truck more than I need a fourth hobby car. ZERO rust, previously Cali owned. probably has never seen salt. ~150k miles, timing chains done last year, brand new clutch, all the "while you're in there work" done by a VERY reputable VR specialist shop, ~$5500 worth of work there. new paint on hood and roof, plus a new headliner. tons and tons of spare and OEM parts, including an extra set of aristos with brand new tires (in addition to the OEM ones on the car). drivers seat needs to be redone, which is the only major piece i do not have. some R32 and 20th anni interior parts included for a refresh of the plastic. i have all service records dating back to 2006.
Priced at $20,000. located in the NYC tristate area.
I WILL CONSIDER RUST FREE TRADES: Lexus LX/GX, V8 WK2 JGCs, SRT WK1s, Avalanches, Sequoias.
Jack, please pin and push anyone who expresses interest my way before i send this to the jackals on VWvortex.
find me another rust free car with the chains done and a clean title, and i'll get as close to matching it as i can if you are serious. auction values on this car are all over the map.
edit: chains are a huge deal. thats when most of these change hands.
I also have lost my sensitivity for when R32s stopped being "rare". I think in high school (I would have been a sophomore in 2004) they were just never seen, now they send a lot more over here.
My day has come! I've had an M100 Elan (Lotus, not Kia) for a bit. The short of it is that Miata : Elan :: Boxster : Elise. Highly recommended if you don't mind all your parts living in the UK. If Jack's post has "peaked" anyone's interest, perhaps I can talk you into or out of one.
"Starting in 2030, all cars sold in California will be required to provide a visual and auditory alert when exceeding the speed limit by more than 10mph."
I remember this or similar as a thing in Dubai back in about 2006 or thereabouts. I do remember a pinging noise at speed that the livery drivers studiously ignored. Not related, but given the times there is nothing like getting into a car in an Arab country driven by some swarthy stranger in the middle of the night headed toward somewhere you have no idea where it is. Or the US Customs guy welcoming you back from Dubai a few days later. How did he know without looking through my passport for the stamp? Good times.
Just an FYI on how that works... the airline you returned on has to file a manifest with CBP. Obviously they scrub this to see if any Jason Bourne-types/et al show up... as soon as the agent scanned your passport, the flight information should have come up...
I just had a laugh over this regulatory drivel: “The NHTSA recommends that interacting with an in-car information system should take no more than two seconds at a time. By that they mean time spent interacting with your eyes and fingers”. From “Why We Drive” by Matthew B. Crawford.
Ah yeah I remember the speed alerts from Gulf Coast Countries. Occasionally I'd run into a NAFTA car that received the GCC calibration and customers would complain about the beeping.
Just like back in the days of seat belt interlock switches, the dealers will wink wink casually mention which wire to disconnect to silence the beeping.
Knowing the ninny state, that’ll be something that you’d have to reset on every ignition cycle, just like auto stop, and since they’re all on their fainting couches about “the children” in the case of speed limits, they would mandate that the automakers make it as difficult and inconvenient as possible to do so!
Scott Wiener also sponsored bills to decriminalize intentionally infecting another person with HIV, add a "nonbinary" gender option on government documents, made PrEP and PEP over the counter, removed the requirement for some people convicted of sex offenses against minors over 14 to be placed on the sex offender registry, the trans refuge state bill, and many more.
I liked that he remembered the guy. Then again, you have to be a certain kind of special to go as hard on all those things as Weiner has… but maybe that’s his “thing”.
The intentional HIV thing was widely reported and he has a memorable name. He keeps doing things to intensify his reputation.
In contrast to the current trend for many people to make the Presidential election hyper-personal, like a junior high class president, the President makes over 4000 appointments in addition to filling any Supreme Court vacancies. Scott Weiner is possibly on the short list for Kamala's cabinet, lest we forget the immediate imposition of use of terms like "Birthing Persons" in January 2021, the Biden/Harris Title IX rules, and yes, her view that "gender-affirming care is healthcare" sand prisoners sand detainees have a right to healthcare, which reaches its logical conclusion in taxpayer-funded sex changes for illegal aliens, which even the NYT Fact Check could only brush off with "clarification needed" (a case where Trump's remarks sound weird because of how insane Kamala's policies are).
I suspect it wasn't the main purpose -- they just wanted to make bathhouse orgies great again.
However it has a (not quite) unexpected "benefit": they figure that the stigma of AIDS will go away if a large cohort of straight monogamous Americans get the HIV from blood transfusions and not "high risk" behavior
As soon as the Chief opened her car door I began laughing like a loon ~ I was the only one in a crowded theater that knew what was coming next just from the faint (at first) sound.....
When I want to lose weight I'm about 50/40/10 Fat protein carbs (no more than 50g). Basically Keto with less recommended fat and more protein. I just pick on filets because:
1: It's a very expensive cut of beef for
2: Not much flavor
I'll eat them occasionally but not nearly as much as ribeye or NY Strip. A proper filet meal takes effort with a sauce or a side
I have told this anecdote before I believe, but it’s a good one.
About 25 years ago my family was returning from the boat ramp and headed back to the lake house (which was not in our hometown) on a Saturday evening. We passed a lakeside ALL U CAN EAT catfish buffet that appeared to be doing a bustling business that night. The parking lot was overflowing with cars, and there were several parked on the shoulder of the road.
We observed a family of four that had to weigh in at ballpark a ton in the aggregate laboriously emerging from a Buick Roadmaster, presumably to crimp the profit margins of the ALL U CAN EAT establishment. My father remarked on the obvious quality of the Buick’s suspension, as well as the reliable heuristic that the presence of spectacularly corpulent patrons in a restaurant is a harbinger of good value.
I'd much rather have a 16 ounce ribeye once a week than a 9oz filet twice. In real life, I probably have one about once a month or so. Snake River Farms hooked me on their prime cowboy ribeyes when they had a great deal when all their restaurant customers were shut down during COVID. Smoke at 225F until the center reaches 120F, then crank grill up to raging inferno and butter baste with an herb brush until you get a good crust.
No discussion of Larry Strulovich, the fashion* distribution magnate who appeared on stage yesterday in a disaster of a suit that featured what Paul Fussell memorably referred to as “prole jacket-gape,” as well as a too short coat and heavy handed pinstripes, perhaps all the better to highlight his new friend / employee / shareholder Adrian Newey’s powder blue sport coat paired with a darker blue pair of pants?
The gentlemen referenced above were joined by Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll, at least one of whom will probably be driving an Adrian Newey-penned, Honda-powered, Aramco-fueled / lubricated “Aston Martin” Formula 1 car in 2026. You can probably guess which one of them is more likely to be in the seat alongside … Max Verstappen? Let us hope that Lance is the 2026 World Drivers Champion!
*I will give Stroll Sr. credit for his Belgian Shoes “Mr. Casual” slip-ons, however; I have a pair and have ALSO been known to wear them with a suit on occasion.
I had to look at a few more pictures. That suit is heinous! Terrible collar gap, and I personally dislike peak lapels and ticket pockets.
Edited to add further, that prominent pinstriping bespeaks (and I’m confident that it IS bespoke, given his resources) a “Power Suit,” which is not something I would personally pair with a knit tie - incongruent.
I dunno, a Power Suit with a knit tie and soft slip-ons kind of says to me "I'm a billionaire, I can do as I please."
Newey, on the other hand, simply cannot dress himself. I tried to watch this video last night but it was too long, and I was too annoyed by his shirt collar...
I don't wear many suits. I assume a collar gap is because of not proper tailoring/fit? I've always wanted a tailored suit but I go from 220-260 back to 220 way too often to spend the money on proper fitting jackets/coats
What is it with the light blue suits with pinstripes that you could use for road markings nowadays?
What is a good off-the-rack suit nowadays? I need a decent banker’s grey suit, subtle pinstripes optional, for occasions such as funerals and somber occasions (my parents and my Mom’s siblings aren’t getting any younger; Dad’s an only child), or in the event I’m going to a jacket-required affair. And no, Jack, I don’t have a Saville Row budget. But I ended up with a Ralph Lauren-branded suit from Kohl’s of all places, and, let’s just say, I think I can do a little better than that!
-Where do you live? Ideally, you’d want to try on a RTW / OTR suit in person in a store known for suiting that has a real tailor on site to finish the sleeves and hems, as well as potentially other minor things (move the button point a little, etc.)
-Do you know your size? Physique (i.e., the “drop” between your chest and your waist)?
-Do you want to look like you’re testifying in front of congress or like a Mississippi pimp? I would personally recommend a true navy suit over charcoal if you’re only going to have one. I have evolved over time to dislike wearing ANYTHING black - including shoes (and belts) - but I do wear black footwear with suits for the most part.
That other suit I mentioned is navy. I think I look better in gray, particularly since my one pair of dress shoes is a pair of cordovan J&Ms, and I also have a pair of classic penny loafers, also cordovan. $500 or $600 is probably my budget, but I’m sure like everything else, that probably has to be adjusted upwards in this economy!
Even a decade or two ago, department stores had on-site alterations after you purchased suits or sportcoats, but not any more!
I can’t imagine that something from an S&K Menswear or the like would be any good, as the last time I was in one, picking up a rented tuxedo for a wedding I was in, I looked at the suits and felt the material, and all I could think was “oh, this should bunch up nicely!”
Nope; for a few years now Instagram now will not show any photos without being logged in.
I tried making an account at one point and it rejected my email address. I found lots of other people had the same issue, to which there is no resolution.
Ok, those Mr Casual Belgian slip ons are awesome. I'm very interested in getting a pair. Obviously the have to be comfortable, but how do the soles wear? Are they more durable than something like a Tods driver?
While there are various purveyors of “Belgian” style shoes, I generally prefer to buy such an iconic item from the originating brand; in this case, Belgian Shoes in NYC.
As you will have learned by looking at their website, they simply do not do e-commerce. You have to go to the store in midtown Manhattan, which is necessary because their sizing is proprietary and weird. But that’s part of the charm!
After you get a pair, you should wear them around the house a little bit to get them to mold to your feet. Then take them to your local shoe repair shop and have them apply a thin little rubber outsole on the bottom; any quality shoe repair outlet will have done this before. Do not get the soles wet (at all) before you have the rubber strip added.
They are very comfortable shoes, but they offer little support. The soles are more durable than a pair of Tods.
Assuming that he plans to keep the replacement vehicle another ~10 years, like the Mazda, I would go Telluride. Stellantis quality issues over the long haul seems sketchy. Having driven several rental Durangos on decently long trips, I'd say the cave like feeling doesn't go away. Certainly does not feel as spacious on the inside as one would expect.
I was hoping for turbo seals but, sadly, there is a leak in the #4 cylinder. It's borderline on the leak down tester and it still has good compression and runs fine and doesn't smoke. I'm not sure if it's rings or cylinder wall, but since it's a fairly big operation to figure that out I'm just keeping an eye on the oil and topping up as required. If it gets worse I'll have to address it.
We have a 2015 Durango V6 Limited. It has been my wife’s car. It tows a 23’ tritoon and trailer well has just under 150k miles and has been mostly trouble free. I know there have been some things but not many as I can’t remember specifics, under 3 and not too expensive. One was a heated seat issue fixed under warranty. She has managed to alter nearly every surface via mostly minor impacts with foreign objects but when I was having my truck at the body shop after a deer collision I drove it to the cabin and at 9 years and the aforementioned mileage had I felt like I’d made a good choice in May of 2015 when we bought this vehicle new. Dedicated blizzaks in the winter make it unstoppable. Can’t speak more highly of it. Would buy another for her if I can find one without the red stitching which we both dislike.
As another data point, my brother recently worked on a local customer's '14 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD 3.6 with 204k miles, all original powertrain/drivetrain with minimal maintenance (not much beyond oil/filter changes).It needed a new transfer case chain (t-case fluid never changed), a pretty simple job in all. Shifting gears to FWD Pentastar stuff, A few years ago he got a mobile call on a stranded courier van (Promaster with a 3.6 and 62TE 6spd auto) with 250k racked up on the original fluid. The transmission filter had clogged up and was starving the pump, immobilizing the van. It was on a sunday, he ended up routing a spare piece of hose from the pickup into the pan in place of the filter, topped it up with ATF4+ he happened to have on hand to get the gal home. The fleet probably just kept running it without a filter after that. Finally, my brother had a fellow mobile diagnostics guy who ran a Ram C/V (grand caravan without windows) up to 250k or so of *all* local Staten Island city driving on the original engine/transmission and countless idle hours. By the end he had a nasty top end tick but it kept plugging along. The 1st gen Pentastars are known for two failure points: prematurely wearing cam followers that left untreated can wipe out a camshaft, and a leaky oil filter/cooler housing that lives in the engine valley. Neither of those things is dramatically difficult or expensive to fix should it occur (compared to say, a 12hr FWD Ford 3.5 water pump job). He's seen issues with some of the variable lift trickery on the updated 3.6 pentastars and a few blown headgaskets, but nothing that really constituted a pattern failure like the cam followers or oil filter housings.
“She has managed to alter nearly every surface via mostly minor impacts with foreign objects…”. You, sir, are a wordsmith and a diplomat!
I used to review applications for membership at a stock exchange in a past life, and one youngster described an arrest for a bar fight as “Another gentleman and I had a difference of opinion in a drinking establishment, which led to a minor altercation “.
Within the last month my friend’s Tucson engine blew up, her in-law’s Santa Fe suffered a similar engine failure that same week. I’m not sure whether the Telluride engines are having the same issues, but I’d be tempted to choose whichever car had the better warranty.
I’ve been harping on this for a minute now. Any direct injection era H/K motor is suspect. I went down the Russian YouTube rabbit hole last year of this shop that specializes in them and the guy did a thorough dissection of all the different engine families and year by year changes to crank and rod bearing part numbers (they kept changing the surface treatment to combat this spinning bearing issue). I wouldn’t touch one with a ten foot pole.
Per my brother, the intake valves look filthy by 100k, he had a customer with a '16ish Santa Fe 3.3 V6 that he worked on 115k miles or so? I think it had a sticking fuel injector or something like that. According to him accessing the intake requires disturbing the high pressure fuel rail/injector seals which I guess is a bit of a pain to refit new seals or something to that effect. It may have also had some kind of weird timing issue going on. I forget the specifics but his overall impression was less than positive. He told the guy to consider unloading the car soon, I think 10k miles later it ate the motor.
I'm curious then, what percentage of your data is comprised of higher mileage (out of warranty) engines?
I assume there tends to be a disconnect between what, say, an OEM engineer tied to dealers and overall a newer subset of cars sees, and what the independent shops deal with.
You'd have to put a gun to my head to have me buy an H/K product made in the last decade and a half or so for a long term buy-and-hold. Conversely, I happen to think that early-mid 00s Korean cars are quite decent. A 2nd gen Sedona/Entourage or one of those BOF Sorentos with the older port injected 3.8 sounds A-OK to me.
This is what we hear about H/K 4cyls, and the V6 in the Telly is Direct Injection, but we've had 0 problems in 3 years and 13k miles. Plus our warranty coverage will get us to 2031 or later on any major engine issue. If I'm recalling, @Scott A has not had issues with his telly, either
I would just make sure to run 5k synthetic oil changes. Definitely don't run it out to 10k, maybe even 7500 is too long. I dunno how the latest DI 3.8s do, but everything I hear/read/see about the 2015-2018ish DI 3.3s is that they tend to start using oil as they get towards 100k. The basic hypothesis is that DI motors run "dirty," lots of soot that ends up in the oil and/or crudding up the ring pack on the pistons. Rings start to get sticky, oil consumption goes up, oil level gets low, dirty/low oil impacts the valvetrain (VVT solenoids, tensioner). Staying on top of oil changes is the cheapest/easiest measure you can take.
Anything bought new in 2024, barring some major recall worthy oversight in manufacturing will go 200kmi with little more than routine maintenance. Where the Durango has the advantage vs the other vehicles listed is it has a well developed and relatively simple MMI. Vehicles will be sold off/junked due to failure or obsolescence of the computer system running the ancillaries well before the drivetrains shit the bed.
We should price a "Stripper V8 X5" with 6 total years of warranty and compare it to a top trim Telluride. If I had to guess, I would guess it'd only be ~20 or 30 grand more... EDIT : Way off. Top trim (road-tired) Telly SX Prestige X Line is MSRPing around 53-57k brand new (with autotrader-posted asking prices around 50), while the BMW MSRP starts at 90 with observed prices starting at 92.
I bought at peak shortage time, maybe slightly after. It took a lot of phone calls to not get the 2-5k of ADM or the more surreptitious "Sure we'll sell at msrp and add a 2k safety package"
I suppose it's possible that the soccer moms had been ignorant of Kia's existence prior to the Telluride's arrival. Some years ago now, I read that consumer awareness of the brand was shockingly low, at least to someone who follows the industry. Perhaps the questionable new logo helped, too.
3 rows for kids, the right size (tahoes are big if you're dyslexic), the best interior short of Lexus/Germans/LandRover, the best looking SUV for anything less than Lexus GX money. Great sound system, quiet inside, excellent handling for a 5500 lb truck, AND it's reliable
*someone correct me if this has changed but was the case 2-3 years ago
What's the MPG of a 392 Durango? It's like almost $7 CAD, right? I know, that's basically $5 USD, which is roughly metro NYC, but I don't think Canadian salaries are similarly scaled.
I've ridden in most of your choices and the Telluride is by far the most comfortable for schlepping around long stretches. It's almost not-comparable to the Durango (which, BTW, I love... regardless of the 392, nothing else looks like it). Not sure what the inventory is up there, but down here, it's a little easier (and cheaper) to get the equivalent Palisade, FWIW.
I'm seeing very nicely configured SX Prestige X-Lines asking 2-5k under MSRP on Autotrader. A 50k Telly SXPX-L is an indescribable amount of car for the money.
Having put 1000+ road trip miles on a (non-392) '18 V8 durango and '22 Telly... I would choose the Telly, but if you're actually going to do burnouts, or have a company gas card, obviously the 392 is in a category of its own
Fuel economy is definitely a consideration behind the maple curtain, made worse by the ever increasing price spread between the advertised price for regular and the sometimes 35 cent per litre extra for what passes for premium dino juice at 91 octane. Still I would go for the 392.
Also liked for "maple curtain," and yeah, I've been noticing the spread for premium too. Costco used to be the best with their premium being only about 6 or 7 ¢ over other places' regular and NO ETHANOL, but now they're nearly 22¢ more expensive than Costco regular and may have ethanol... Sad
The only choice is the 392 enough said. Seriously. As Jack said people will come calling with cash when you chose to sell at some point in the future. The other choices not as much. Also like already said the model is at the end of the run so all the gremlins have been worked out.
The resale aspect is no joke. Before used car prices went crazy I stopped by the side of the road to look at an ancient Toyota pickup. It had like 340k miles (not kms, eh) with a rebuild at around 160, which is almost suspect. The guy wanted $3800 for it and probably got thereabouts. All because Toyota, especially that truck, got that rep. Just price so-called competitors in any class in the used market.
The politicians squandered it on stupid shit and undeserving people. Go on the online inflation calculator and enter an old car price or what you paid for your house, and you’ll be disgusted at just the last 5 years of the devaluation of our lives.
The Fed was started with the goal of having a stable money supply. The inflation rate since the Fed started? 3000%. Not a misprint.
Donkey, I am shocked, shocked that you would position the Telluride as a “mommy mobile” that will defeat all the millions spent to create the Telluride as a rugged off road vehicle for masculine adventures. In one statement you are making it out to be a mini van. 🤣🤣
I wouldn’t consider the Explorer, or anything that looks like a police vehicle, just because you’ll never get anywhere fast because everyone in front of you won’t budge from the speed limit.
On this particular stretch of road, the difference between 25 and 30, because of the width of the road and the “sight picture,” is night and day, not to mention the sightlines, period! 25 doesn’t feel like you’re moving! This is a minor feeder road, not a residential street in a subdivision.
Even worse is when the school zone limit of 20 is in effect; the other morning as I pulled out of my street onto this feeder, I saw a local cop a short distance behind. It was all I could do to keep the car at 26mph, and I would have said so if they’d have lit me up and pulled me over! (I can’t for the life of me figure how people would be able to do only 15mph in this particular situation, which is the mandated school limit in some states!)
The reason seatbelts and airbags exist is because your head hitting the windshield at 30mph is equivalent to falling headfirst off a three story building onto concrete. That's the force of your 120 lb torso impacting plexiglass (the risk of which is heavily mitigated by your seatbelt and airbag), so now consider the force with which your 5000 lb steel SUV impacts an unprotected pedestrian or cyclist. You are driving a weapon every bit as if not more deadly than an AR-15 rifle, and your duty of care is just as important as it is with the rifle.
Speeding on a highway is basically a victimless crime; you do it, I do it, cops do it, everyone does it, and outside of extremely reckless cases it doesn't appreciably increase your dangerousness to other drivers. But the speed limits on residential streets and especially school zones exist for very good reasons. I suggest you calculate how little time you save by doing 35 instead of 20 in the school zone (spoiler: it's a few seconds). If you're not Max Verstappen, getting where you're going 10 seconds slower makes no difference, but killing someone's kid or some kid's mother makes a very big difference.
It would help if the Taurus had a door opening bigger than one on a Kia Sephia. Nothing beat the bubble Caprice for room. You'd never know those had a B pillar
It's a blessing and a curse. I bought a black one. On highways it's great - ppl get out of the way and almost no one cuts you off. Well, no one respectable with anything to lose anyway. That clapped-out Altima will still cut you off - risk of you being a cop or not.
On backroads it usually sucks. Although on a few occasions I've had ppl pull off to the side.
Taken on balance I've grown to like the cop vibes. When I get in any other car I realize the "courtesy" I'm given in the Explorer.
That said, I've had a few occasions where ppl slow down or get out of the way, realize I'm not a cop and then get a little aggro about it. Usually, they just ride my bumper a little, I move over since they want to go faster, and it's not a big deal. BUT a few "big men" have taken it a step further when my wife has been driving it. Going so far as to flip her off and shout at her.
Solely based on that - I wouldn't recommend an Explorer (at least a black one or a white one) if it's driven by a woman. Too many "big men" think they can bully a woman because they confused it with a cop car and then feel they are entitled to take their micro-d rage out on a woman.
To the OP - if you can find an ST WITHOUT the tech package (plus? I think) - you'll get the more basic horizonal Ford screen and regular buttons. That vertical wannabe Tesla screen is so universally disliked that there's an entire aftermarket that supports "down grading" to the smaller screen and physical hvac buttons.
I have the smaller screen already, although I think the new 2025 redesign has gone even more SCREEEEEEN!!! If you can find a 2024 ST (or better yet a Platinum) - they should have the option for the basic screen. You lose the HUD (if that matters to you); but it'll still have the rest of the Ford 360 driving aids. They ST also has "speaker enhanced" go fast noise; which annoyed me and you can't turn it off in the settings menu. I did not buy an ST solely because of this. (Turns out though, I found out the dealer CAN disable it using ForScan.) A Platinum or an Aviator won't make those fake noises.
Btw - I drove a lot of the cars on your list as well. And I know you mentioned you don't worry too much about size... but even with just two kids - I'm glad I bought the larger (in it's class) Explorer. The interior volume of the Ford is just a little more than most, save the Traverse. The Pathfinder, Pilot, and new Grand Highlander are close. The Durango and the Jeep Grand Cherokee L were noticeably smaller. Likely the difference between body on frame vs unibody.
The Ford won us over on practicality, looks, and its drive - also if I'm honest - price too, but I keep cars forever. I bought a new left over 2022 in '23 and it was $8k off sticker. 18 months ago that was a feat - it might be different today. At the time, no one was doing under sticker; some were still doing markup.
Ford also has a really good extended warranty. This is my 3rd Ford product (the two prior being Lincolns). I treat them as value plays. As long as you don't expect 90s Japanese quality from them (which btw, I'm still on all the other manufacturer FB groups and EVEYONE has issue with new cars) they will have a few issues - but every single time Ford fixes it with that warranty.
A tip I wish I learned earlier. Ford extended warranties can be bought at any dealer - and there are dealers that specialize in selling wholesale / bulk. I was quoted close to $5k for an extended warranty from the dealer I purchased - but bought online from Grainger Ford - a 10 year 100k one for $2,200.
It all depends on what you value the most. If it's fun - I would 100% agree with Jack - get the Durango.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I think there is only one option for screens in the 2025s and it's in the horizontal orientation, but it's bigger now, 12.3" I think. I agree that the vertical one in the '24 was hideous, but I didn't know you could downgrade to a more sensible option. We're not really finding any '24s left though.
Huh, the Korean Elan is pretty neat! I forgot all about the fwd Elans until right now to be honest.
Matthew, get the 392 man. It's good in anything, and that platform is even MORE proven than the Explorer. That Mazda is pretty nice, though. Anyone bringing back a new I6 in 202x is interesting to me.
Gotta say I'm actually rather surprised CA greenlit that tattle-tale-tomfuckery. I'll be amused when they roll it back in 2031.
I am nowhere deep enough into the blue team to tell you what the deal is with the talking points being unverifiable. I do think that is incredibly sketchy, but maybe you don't need an officially published list since all the media sites post the same words anyway? Maybe the point isn't really WHAT they're saying, but more WHO directed them to say it. In that case, I'd definitely like to know. Unfortunately I don't think anyone deep enough into that pool to know would be reading this substack, let alone willing to comment.
I hope to never buy an SUV, but the idea of a Durango 392 really appeals to me. As long as your credit score is higher than 392, buy the Durango. Make it F8 Green.
If you want more info on the Explorer ST, which has just been updated, Savage Geese has a new video on it. In the video they compare it to its competitors you mentioned. Regarding the CX9, they are Mazda fans but think the CX9 misses the mark. Good luck!
The CX90 I drove was far nicer than an Audi Q7 sitting on the same lot. Mazda still needs a better infotainment though. The only real low point. I'd still take a Palisade or Telluride as the power trane are more proven. I worry about Mazda Hybrid implementation.
The CX-90 is their own. The Car Care Nut on YouTube has some very interesting videos that go deep into the how the plug-in hybrid and the mild hybrid systems work in the CX-90's.
Mazda's CX-50, which is built at Mazda Toyota Manufacturing in Huntsville, AL, will soon be available with a Toyota hybrid powertrain.
If the CX-90's infotainment is the same or similar to our '21 CX-9's then I don't have an issue with it. I just let it hook up to my phone and play music. What else do you need it to do?
I honestly thought we had hit a new low with the golf handicap argument in the Biden/Trump debate, but seeing a confused old man raving about pets being eaten by immigrants shows me we can always plumb new depths of discourse.
We desperately need a sane conservative party in this country and it's not at all clear to me how we will get to one in the near future.
Hey, SOMEBODY's gotta plaster a veneer of legitimacy on these Profitability Uber Alles shenanigans the CEO class has been fucking us with for the past three generations.
Exactly. There are in fact reports by the citizens of Springfield of this happening, whether it is or is not happening is up to the so called journalist to find out. And of course everyone is missing the bigger point the "old man" was making: illegal immigration is effecting communities negatively.
So no, I don't think it's a new low when the man has a valid point.
I live in the suburbs not far out of the city and public shitting really pisses me off .
One of our foster boys would occasionally drop a log in the hallway or bathroom floor .
I remember the same kind of foolishness when I was in correction, we'd tell them once, maybe twice to cut it out then we handled it and oddly enough they _never_ did that again, not anywhere even where we'd be un likely to find it .
No big deal apart from taking a dump in a public place .
I'm not sure how to handle that need in general, Los Angeles now has those large oval shaped public toilets here and there, they're supposedly self cleaning after each use, when they were new I thought I'd stop and look inside one to see what's what but I never did .
There's more than a few things I know how to deal with I really wish I didn't but they're mostly on me for getting my self into places I'd rather not have gone .
This is part and parcel of being Conservative ~ when you fuck up the consequences are often very unpleasant .
I have a friend who is very left leaning but only mildly informed (and smart). He texted me this afternoon about “lol Trump said Kamala wanted sex changes for jailed illegal aliens how stupid is he lolz” and a pic of ET in drag. I replied back with the link to the 2019 CNN report of her promoting…sex changes for jailed illegal aliens. It’s been radio silent since.
I cannot say what to do here, San Fransisco has always been to me a really fun and cool place to visit and hang out but I noticed it beginning to change and feel sorry for those who live there now .
Sadder that the “Democratic” nominee was appointed without any “democracy” or that the first “woman” President will go down in history for her political gifts: https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1833550125022503268
Think the pet story, works to his advantage, the absurdity makes the less politically engaged take notice. A quick internet search the reveals that cat being back on the menu, is just the tip of the migration iceberg.
Word, and not to sound like a bitter college football fan, but the biggest takeaway of the night was the blatantly partisan "refs."
The official stats I saw had ABC inturrupting Trump 11 times and "fact checking" him five times while Commie-la was allowed to say whatever she wanted all night with impunity.
Lol yes, she's very insightful on the Disney-approved topic list of climate change, Jan 6th, and diversity/sexism.
The Swifties et al. need to do some serious reflection before casting ballots for someone that the machine so obviously wants to install in the Oval Office.
Guy at a City Council meeting there stated that he witnessed those people ripping the heads off of ducks in a city park.
There’s at least a ring of truth to that. Just as with the Aurora, CO, situation!
I’ll take someone like that over a fetid waste of protoplasm like that nasal, sniveling, smirking, vapid dipshit any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
and then as if on cue a bunch of retards sprung up and claimed that this was actually the same as eating chickens and noticing hatians butchering cats in the street is the same a grilling a steak
A man did speak about ducks being eaten by Haitians.
There is nothing sane about a "conservative" who espouses the Kamala's border policy and warmongering, which is what the McCains / Romneys / Cheneys get you.
The Haitians, documented as eating cats and everything else in Haiti unsurprisingly continue this behavior when imported en masse through an NGO-government-corporate collusion. I'm not joking.
They will claim to bring these people, 20k in a town of 60k, in to "save" a community while destroying it and feeding off the blood. They work for low low wages thanks to government assistance and displace Americans, ruin their way of life, and we're told this is a good thing.
"...seeing a confused old man raving about pets being eaten by immigrants shows me we can always plumb new depths of discourse."
Not that long ago, "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS, THEY'RE EATING THE CATS!" would have been the sort of universally agreed upon campaign-ending debate moment that'd become legend. But in post-Trump America, it's a Tuesday.
"I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man," Mr Clark said at the meeting, as his wife Danielle stood beside him. "I bet you never thought anyone would ever say something so blunt."
OT Classified: I have a 2004 VW R32 in Black Magic Pearl that likely needs a new home due to me needing a truck more than I need a fourth hobby car. ZERO rust, previously Cali owned. probably has never seen salt. ~150k miles, timing chains done last year, brand new clutch, all the "while you're in there work" done by a VERY reputable VR specialist shop, ~$5500 worth of work there. new paint on hood and roof, plus a new headliner. tons and tons of spare and OEM parts, including an extra set of aristos with brand new tires (in addition to the OEM ones on the car). drivers seat needs to be redone, which is the only major piece i do not have. some R32 and 20th anni interior parts included for a refresh of the plastic. i have all service records dating back to 2006.
Priced at $20,000. located in the NYC tristate area.
I WILL CONSIDER RUST FREE TRADES: Lexus LX/GX, V8 WK2 JGCs, SRT WK1s, Avalanches, Sequoias.
Jack, please pin and push anyone who expresses interest my way before i send this to the jackals on VWvortex.
I dreamed of one of those in 2008
could be yours. its a very honest car right now that could be spectacular with the time and effort- and it will be soon if no one buys it!
As tempting as it is, I dont need to spend 20k on another car right now considering i put 2,200 miles a year on the audi
thats fair enough.
Either you’re insane for thinking that’s a $20k car, or I’m insane for not recognizing that it’s a $20k car.
Anyone care to comment?
That's how I've felt about every Miata and S2000 price I have ever seen as they inexorably rise.
even more difficult to value mk4 .:Rs because there was a lot of attrition- some estimates say as few as 3,000 left on the road in the U.S.
man i felt this
"That's cool but but I'm not going to pay that much." (six months later) WTF?!?
This is how I felt about NSXs.... And RX7s.... And Mk4 supra turbos.... And then mk3 supra turbos.... I don't think it stops
But that is just a no-name English sports car with a Ford engine. Nobody would pay 40, 80, 160, 400, 1M for that!
find me another rust free car with the chains done and a clean title, and i'll get as close to matching it as i can if you are serious. auction values on this car are all over the map.
edit: chains are a huge deal. thats when most of these change hands.
I also have lost my sensitivity for when R32s stopped being "rare". I think in high school (I would have been a sophomore in 2004) they were just never seen, now they send a lot more over here.
Mk4 thru mk6 Rs were limited to between 5,000 (Mk4 and 5) and 5,500 (mk6) cars in the US. Mk7+ cars were not limited in production.
My day has come! I've had an M100 Elan (Lotus, not Kia) for a bit. The short of it is that Miata : Elan :: Boxster : Elise. Highly recommended if you don't mind all your parts living in the UK. If Jack's post has "peaked" anyone's interest, perhaps I can talk you into or out of one.
Pinned!
Sounds like you just volunteered to do a driving for harambe
Yes he did!
It would mostly be pictures of cracked fiberglass and boxes overnighted from England. Let me get it back on the road first; should be soon.
"Starting in 2030, all cars sold in California will be required to provide a visual and auditory alert when exceeding the speed limit by more than 10mph."
I remember this or similar as a thing in Dubai back in about 2006 or thereabouts. I do remember a pinging noise at speed that the livery drivers studiously ignored. Not related, but given the times there is nothing like getting into a car in an Arab country driven by some swarthy stranger in the middle of the night headed toward somewhere you have no idea where it is. Or the US Customs guy welcoming you back from Dubai a few days later. How did he know without looking through my passport for the stamp? Good times.
Just an FYI on how that works... the airline you returned on has to file a manifest with CBP. Obviously they scrub this to see if any Jason Bourne-types/et al show up... as soon as the agent scanned your passport, the flight information should have come up...
I believe the new EU threshold will only be 5mph.
I just had a laugh over this regulatory drivel: “The NHTSA recommends that interacting with an in-car information system should take no more than two seconds at a time. By that they mean time spent interacting with your eyes and fingers”. From “Why We Drive” by Matthew B. Crawford.
Great book!
Ah yeah I remember the speed alerts from Gulf Coast Countries. Occasionally I'd run into a NAFTA car that received the GCC calibration and customers would complain about the beeping.
Just like back in the days of seat belt interlock switches, the dealers will wink wink casually mention which wire to disconnect to silence the beeping.
Or someone will figure out how to program the software to silence it!
Hopefully without bricking the vehicle!
Getting rid of the beeping would be the first thing I did, I hate things beeping at me.
Knowing the ninny state, that’ll be something that you’d have to reset on every ignition cycle, just like auto stop, and since they’re all on their fainting couches about “the children” in the case of speed limits, they would mandate that the automakers make it as difficult and inconvenient as possible to do so!
Scott Wiener also sponsored bills to decriminalize intentionally infecting another person with HIV, add a "nonbinary" gender option on government documents, made PrEP and PEP over the counter, removed the requirement for some people convicted of sex offenses against minors over 14 to be placed on the sex offender registry, the trans refuge state bill, and many more.
Wondering how I can like a comment but dislike the content? Hitting the button seems wrong.
I liked that he remembered the guy. Then again, you have to be a certain kind of special to go as hard on all those things as Weiner has… but maybe that’s his “thing”.
...my guess is that he's a pretty unimpressive member of that body.
The intentional HIV thing was widely reported and he has a memorable name. He keeps doing things to intensify his reputation.
In contrast to the current trend for many people to make the Presidential election hyper-personal, like a junior high class president, the President makes over 4000 appointments in addition to filling any Supreme Court vacancies. Scott Weiner is possibly on the short list for Kamala's cabinet, lest we forget the immediate imposition of use of terms like "Birthing Persons" in January 2021, the Biden/Harris Title IX rules, and yes, her view that "gender-affirming care is healthcare" sand prisoners sand detainees have a right to healthcare, which reaches its logical conclusion in taxpayer-funded sex changes for illegal aliens, which even the NYT Fact Check could only brush off with "clarification needed" (a case where Trump's remarks sound weird because of how insane Kamala's policies are).
did you have a stroke at the end there
Drone strike is my guess.
had no idea he was posting from kursk
Nah; thanks for the heads up. Just a keyboard / network glitch; fixed and improved.
How is facilitating the poisoning of the nation's blood supply NOT a crime?
Weiner is a sociopath.
I suspect it wasn't the main purpose -- they just wanted to make bathhouse orgies great again.
However it has a (not quite) unexpected "benefit": they figure that the stigma of AIDS will go away if a large cohort of straight monogamous Americans get the HIV from blood transfusions and not "high risk" behavior
the kind of tortured logic that presumes the solution to their incredibly risky behavior is to simply give everyone else aids is sickening
fuck everyone involved but not in the literal sense
awesome
he should be thrown into a woodchipper
Let’s hope that the wood chipper does not exceed California noise thresholds. Only one way to find out.
i hope its quiet
he screams of pain should be easily heard
Electric woodchippers!
I approve two stroke wood chippers.
GREAT idea ! that'd make the wood chips easier to ignite .
-Nate
That and two stroke smoke makes them inherently cooler!
Just love the end of Fargo. Didn’t see it coming until it happened.
As soon as the Chief opened her car door I began laughing like a loon ~ I was the only one in a crowded theater that knew what was coming next just from the faint (at first) sound.....
-Nate
Or emissions limits.
Or emissions regulations. Maybe they make a battery powered one.
Scott Weiner. Sounds like one of those Hollywood Boulevard transvestites I've heard tell of.
Hey if you haven’t tried it, you don’t know you don’t like it!
You go ahead. I'll pass.
OK Jack, Which hibachi restaurant in Columbus. I’ll be there at the end of the month and am always up for good hibachi.
KYOTO! Used to be Genji. And something before that. On Sawmill Road.
I never pegged you for a filet type of guy.
It is Jacks token act of Diversity, I believe he is a platinum level customer of Ruth Chris Steak House….
Jack has stated on more than one occasions that ribeyes have too much flavor. It’s sad i remember this
😳
I know another mid-westerner that claimed ketchup was a hot sauce.
Eating nine ounces of steak a few times a week, instead of 16 ounces, is why I don't weigh as much as Brad Brownell's wife.
Filets are weak! I lost weight on a steak a day. Sadly no vodka or whiskey or wine to go with it. Omad works amazing. I am hungry
Oddly enough, in the early to mid 1960's my mother would eat sirloin daily and I had to watch .
She said it was her special diet food, bullshit .
BTW : apparently mom was a pin up girl in 1941, I've seen a photograph of her sitting on the hood of a '39 ?Studebaker? convertible at Vassar .
-Nate
Good chance your mom was blowing smoke but the steak diet works amazingly well.
Downsides:
1: it's expensive
2: Eating steak every day gets boring.
It’s not the protein, it’s the fat that gets ya. If you’re going to eat high fat you have to also really restrict carbs.
When I want to lose weight I'm about 50/40/10 Fat protein carbs (no more than 50g). Basically Keto with less recommended fat and more protein. I just pick on filets because:
1: It's a very expensive cut of beef for
2: Not much flavor
I'll eat them occasionally but not nearly as much as ribeye or NY Strip. A proper filet meal takes effort with a sauce or a side
Does Butterfinger BB weight more than the wife? Or about the same?
This is not my area of expertise, but I'd guess him at an even three bills and her at something north of that, maybe 325.
I have told this anecdote before I believe, but it’s a good one.
About 25 years ago my family was returning from the boat ramp and headed back to the lake house (which was not in our hometown) on a Saturday evening. We passed a lakeside ALL U CAN EAT catfish buffet that appeared to be doing a bustling business that night. The parking lot was overflowing with cars, and there were several parked on the shoulder of the road.
We observed a family of four that had to weigh in at ballpark a ton in the aggregate laboriously emerging from a Buick Roadmaster, presumably to crimp the profit margins of the ALL U CAN EAT establishment. My father remarked on the obvious quality of the Buick’s suspension, as well as the reliable heuristic that the presence of spectacularly corpulent patrons in a restaurant is a harbinger of good value.
I'd much rather have a 16 ounce ribeye once a week than a 9oz filet twice. In real life, I probably have one about once a month or so. Snake River Farms hooked me on their prime cowboy ribeyes when they had a great deal when all their restaurant customers were shut down during COVID. Smoke at 225F until the center reaches 120F, then crank grill up to raging inferno and butter baste with an herb brush until you get a good crust.
Should be, Which hibachi restaurant in Columbus?
Wait, isn’t this the Racing Thread?
No discussion of Larry Strulovich, the fashion* distribution magnate who appeared on stage yesterday in a disaster of a suit that featured what Paul Fussell memorably referred to as “prole jacket-gape,” as well as a too short coat and heavy handed pinstripes, perhaps all the better to highlight his new friend / employee / shareholder Adrian Newey’s powder blue sport coat paired with a darker blue pair of pants?
The gentlemen referenced above were joined by Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll, at least one of whom will probably be driving an Adrian Newey-penned, Honda-powered, Aramco-fueled / lubricated “Aston Martin” Formula 1 car in 2026. You can probably guess which one of them is more likely to be in the seat alongside … Max Verstappen? Let us hope that Lance is the 2026 World Drivers Champion!
*I will give Stroll Sr. credit for his Belgian Shoes “Mr. Casual” slip-ons, however; I have a pair and have ALSO been known to wear them with a suit on occasion.
Why should I bring it up when you can bring it up for me!
I had to look at a few more pictures. That suit is heinous! Terrible collar gap, and I personally dislike peak lapels and ticket pockets.
Edited to add further, that prominent pinstriping bespeaks (and I’m confident that it IS bespoke, given his resources) a “Power Suit,” which is not something I would personally pair with a knit tie - incongruent.
a whole ass billion dollars and he dresses like that
why
Because he has a billion dollars
well yeah
If I had a billion dollars, I'd go to formal events dressed like Lloyd Christmas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltDZ7Q1Dc-A
If I had a million dollars..I’d be rich!
https://thriftstorepreppy.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/avoid-prole-jacket-gape/
https://berkeleybreathes.substack.com/p/who-are-the-proles-anyway
Dammit Sherman. I thought that was going to be a Bloom County thing.
thanks for the articles
dressing well is something i dont do as much as id like to
Over rated. Only sartorial snobs notice. If youre doing it for women, get the gaudiest name brand shit you can buy and be in shape
I always liked how when the press asked Buckley what his first act as Mayor would be if he were elected, he replied, "I'd demand a recount."
I dunno, a Power Suit with a knit tie and soft slip-ons kind of says to me "I'm a billionaire, I can do as I please."
Newey, on the other hand, simply cannot dress himself. I tried to watch this video last night but it was too long, and I was too annoyed by his shirt collar...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvkzUzpWuo4
He def gives off “I’m in charge, fucking move” vibes.
I don't wear many suits. I assume a collar gap is because of not proper tailoring/fit? I've always wanted a tailored suit but I go from 220-260 back to 220 way too often to spend the money on proper fitting jackets/coats
Primarily, it’s because the jacket doesn’t fit properly around the shoulders.
What is it with the light blue suits with pinstripes that you could use for road markings nowadays?
What is a good off-the-rack suit nowadays? I need a decent banker’s grey suit, subtle pinstripes optional, for occasions such as funerals and somber occasions (my parents and my Mom’s siblings aren’t getting any younger; Dad’s an only child), or in the event I’m going to a jacket-required affair. And no, Jack, I don’t have a Saville Row budget. But I ended up with a Ralph Lauren-branded suit from Kohl’s of all places, and, let’s just say, I think I can do a little better than that!
-How much do you want to spend?
-Where do you live? Ideally, you’d want to try on a RTW / OTR suit in person in a store known for suiting that has a real tailor on site to finish the sleeves and hems, as well as potentially other minor things (move the button point a little, etc.)
-Do you know your size? Physique (i.e., the “drop” between your chest and your waist)?
-Do you want to look like you’re testifying in front of congress or like a Mississippi pimp? I would personally recommend a true navy suit over charcoal if you’re only going to have one. I have evolved over time to dislike wearing ANYTHING black - including shoes (and belts) - but I do wear black footwear with suits for the most part.
That other suit I mentioned is navy. I think I look better in gray, particularly since my one pair of dress shoes is a pair of cordovan J&Ms, and I also have a pair of classic penny loafers, also cordovan. $500 or $600 is probably my budget, but I’m sure like everything else, that probably has to be adjusted upwards in this economy!
Even a decade or two ago, department stores had on-site alterations after you purchased suits or sportcoats, but not any more!
I can’t imagine that something from an S&K Menswear or the like would be any good, as the last time I was in one, picking up a rented tuxedo for a wedding I was in, I looked at the suits and felt the material, and all I could think was “oh, this should bunch up nicely!”
Link to pics?
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_vjuoSM6NQ/?igsh=MTgzZ29iMnphY2txag==
I don't have IG, so I have no idea what I just "liked", but I appreciate the effort.
You should be able to view the link in your browser.
Nope; for a few years now Instagram now will not show any photos without being logged in.
I tried making an account at one point and it rejected my email address. I found lots of other people had the same issue, to which there is no resolution.
I am literally looking at the post in my browser right now while NOT logged in.
https://mashable.com/article/instagram-requires-log-in-to-view-profiles
Some of the pictures showed the aforementioned power suit with no necktie. ???
In other pictures his head is starting to do that Henry Kissinger thing where it retracts nearly into his chest, but a few inches forward.
It appears as if he began disrobing at some point during the festivities.
I made the same observation about his posture.
Ok, those Mr Casual Belgian slip ons are awesome. I'm very interested in getting a pair. Obviously the have to be comfortable, but how do the soles wear? Are they more durable than something like a Tods driver?
Jim,
While there are various purveyors of “Belgian” style shoes, I generally prefer to buy such an iconic item from the originating brand; in this case, Belgian Shoes in NYC.
As you will have learned by looking at their website, they simply do not do e-commerce. You have to go to the store in midtown Manhattan, which is necessary because their sizing is proprietary and weird. But that’s part of the charm!
After you get a pair, you should wear them around the house a little bit to get them to mold to your feet. Then take them to your local shoe repair shop and have them apply a thin little rubber outsole on the bottom; any quality shoe repair outlet will have done this before. Do not get the soles wet (at all) before you have the rubber strip added.
They are very comfortable shoes, but they offer little support. The soles are more durable than a pair of Tods.
I had NO idea re: the Kia-powered Elans. What a cool story. The sort of thing one used to learn in the things made of dead trees...
Those remain great-looking cars.
Assuming that he plans to keep the replacement vehicle another ~10 years, like the Mazda, I would go Telluride. Stellantis quality issues over the long haul seems sketchy. Having driven several rental Durangos on decently long trips, I'd say the cave like feeling doesn't go away. Certainly does not feel as spacious on the inside as one would expect.
I gotta say, I'd expect a Durango to hold up better than a Telluride, just based on the decade-old Durangos I see in public.
I typically keep vehicles forever. My 2011 'speed 3 is still going strong...ish. starting to burn a bit of oil though.
"starting to burn a bit of oil though"
it thinks its a rotary
Might wanna lean 'er out a bit, Jim!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqr-PO1MNUg&t=9s
Could be rings, but more likely the turbo seals are shot. Time for an upgrade!
I was hoping for turbo seals but, sadly, there is a leak in the #4 cylinder. It's borderline on the leak down tester and it still has good compression and runs fine and doesn't smoke. I'm not sure if it's rings or cylinder wall, but since it's a fairly big operation to figure that out I'm just keeping an eye on the oil and topping up as required. If it gets worse I'll have to address it.
We have a 2015 Durango V6 Limited. It has been my wife’s car. It tows a 23’ tritoon and trailer well has just under 150k miles and has been mostly trouble free. I know there have been some things but not many as I can’t remember specifics, under 3 and not too expensive. One was a heated seat issue fixed under warranty. She has managed to alter nearly every surface via mostly minor impacts with foreign objects but when I was having my truck at the body shop after a deer collision I drove it to the cabin and at 9 years and the aforementioned mileage had I felt like I’d made a good choice in May of 2015 when we bought this vehicle new. Dedicated blizzaks in the winter make it unstoppable. Can’t speak more highly of it. Would buy another for her if I can find one without the red stitching which we both dislike.
This is fantastic feedback. THANK YOU
As another data point, my brother recently worked on a local customer's '14 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD 3.6 with 204k miles, all original powertrain/drivetrain with minimal maintenance (not much beyond oil/filter changes).It needed a new transfer case chain (t-case fluid never changed), a pretty simple job in all. Shifting gears to FWD Pentastar stuff, A few years ago he got a mobile call on a stranded courier van (Promaster with a 3.6 and 62TE 6spd auto) with 250k racked up on the original fluid. The transmission filter had clogged up and was starving the pump, immobilizing the van. It was on a sunday, he ended up routing a spare piece of hose from the pickup into the pan in place of the filter, topped it up with ATF4+ he happened to have on hand to get the gal home. The fleet probably just kept running it without a filter after that. Finally, my brother had a fellow mobile diagnostics guy who ran a Ram C/V (grand caravan without windows) up to 250k or so of *all* local Staten Island city driving on the original engine/transmission and countless idle hours. By the end he had a nasty top end tick but it kept plugging along. The 1st gen Pentastars are known for two failure points: prematurely wearing cam followers that left untreated can wipe out a camshaft, and a leaky oil filter/cooler housing that lives in the engine valley. Neither of those things is dramatically difficult or expensive to fix should it occur (compared to say, a 12hr FWD Ford 3.5 water pump job). He's seen issues with some of the variable lift trickery on the updated 3.6 pentastars and a few blown headgaskets, but nothing that really constituted a pattern failure like the cam followers or oil filter housings.
“She has managed to alter nearly every surface via mostly minor impacts with foreign objects…”. You, sir, are a wordsmith and a diplomat!
I used to review applications for membership at a stock exchange in a past life, and one youngster described an arrest for a bar fight as “Another gentleman and I had a difference of opinion in a drinking establishment, which led to a minor altercation “.
Thanks very much.
Within the last month my friend’s Tucson engine blew up, her in-law’s Santa Fe suffered a similar engine failure that same week. I’m not sure whether the Telluride engines are having the same issues, but I’d be tempted to choose whichever car had the better warranty.
I’ve been harping on this for a minute now. Any direct injection era H/K motor is suspect. I went down the Russian YouTube rabbit hole last year of this shop that specializes in them and the guy did a thorough dissection of all the different engine families and year by year changes to crank and rod bearing part numbers (they kept changing the surface treatment to combat this spinning bearing issue). I wouldn’t touch one with a ten foot pole.
The Lambda V6s are pretty good.
Per my brother, the intake valves look filthy by 100k, he had a customer with a '16ish Santa Fe 3.3 V6 that he worked on 115k miles or so? I think it had a sticking fuel injector or something like that. According to him accessing the intake requires disturbing the high pressure fuel rail/injector seals which I guess is a bit of a pain to refit new seals or something to that effect. It may have also had some kind of weird timing issue going on. I forget the specifics but his overall impression was less than positive. He told the guy to consider unloading the car soon, I think 10k miles later it ate the motor.
What I'm saying isn't anecdotal, I know what the failure rates are of the engine line. Like, that's part of what I do.
I'm curious then, what percentage of your data is comprised of higher mileage (out of warranty) engines?
I assume there tends to be a disconnect between what, say, an OEM engineer tied to dealers and overall a newer subset of cars sees, and what the independent shops deal with.
You'd have to put a gun to my head to have me buy an H/K product made in the last decade and a half or so for a long term buy-and-hold. Conversely, I happen to think that early-mid 00s Korean cars are quite decent. A 2nd gen Sedona/Entourage or one of those BOF Sorentos with the older port injected 3.8 sounds A-OK to me.
46%.
This is what we hear about H/K 4cyls, and the V6 in the Telly is Direct Injection, but we've had 0 problems in 3 years and 13k miles. Plus our warranty coverage will get us to 2031 or later on any major engine issue. If I'm recalling, @Scott A has not had issues with his telly, either
I would just make sure to run 5k synthetic oil changes. Definitely don't run it out to 10k, maybe even 7500 is too long. I dunno how the latest DI 3.8s do, but everything I hear/read/see about the 2015-2018ish DI 3.3s is that they tend to start using oil as they get towards 100k. The basic hypothesis is that DI motors run "dirty," lots of soot that ends up in the oil and/or crudding up the ring pack on the pistons. Rings start to get sticky, oil consumption goes up, oil level gets low, dirty/low oil impacts the valvetrain (VVT solenoids, tensioner). Staying on top of oil changes is the cheapest/easiest measure you can take.
Great advice, as always. Thank you!
Anything bought new in 2024, barring some major recall worthy oversight in manufacturing will go 200kmi with little more than routine maintenance. Where the Durango has the advantage vs the other vehicles listed is it has a well developed and relatively simple MMI. Vehicles will be sold off/junked due to failure or obsolescence of the computer system running the ancillaries well before the drivetrains shit the bed.
I'll bet people said this in 2014 as well, yet plenty of engines, even mass market ones, have critical failure risks.
I assume most R&D is spent cost reducing every last cent out if the car. Nothing works in 2024.
Liked both this comment and its parent for being fundamentally correct. Somehow, simultaneously
Some do, most don't. Has always been the case. Reliability has increased overall. Not anecdotal
IIRC those Elans had an at the time advanced front suspension to go with FWD. It seems everyone is back to struts now.
WTF is it with chicks and Tellurides?
gotta be the hivemind
no other explanation
It’s exactly this
knew it
Better than it being the X5 for my wallet
X5 can be had with a roaring v8
And the Der Fuehrer mustache grill is standard.
Yeah, but i dont like them. I dont think theres a German suv i like right now. The audis are particularly hideous.
Before the VANOS self-destructs, right?
We should price a "Stripper V8 X5" with 6 total years of warranty and compare it to a top trim Telluride. If I had to guess, I would guess it'd only be ~20 or 30 grand more... EDIT : Way off. Top trim (road-tired) Telly SX Prestige X Line is MSRPing around 53-57k brand new (with autotrader-posted asking prices around 50), while the BMW MSRP starts at 90 with observed prices starting at 92.
It all depends on when you bought in, there was a minute there when idiots were spending X5 money on a Kia.
I bought at peak shortage time, maybe slightly after. It took a lot of phone calls to not get the 2-5k of ADM or the more surreptitious "Sure we'll sell at msrp and add a 2k safety package"
Strange, though, that they're able to look past the down-market badge.
Once the soccer moms buy in, is it still a down-market badge?
I suppose it's possible that the soccer moms had been ignorant of Kia's existence prior to the Telluride's arrival. Some years ago now, I read that consumer awareness of the brand was shockingly low, at least to someone who follows the industry. Perhaps the questionable new logo helped, too.
It's better than the old logo, which isn't saying much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
I _especially_ liked the unsafe for driving anywhere disclaimer at the end .
Gotta get me one of those .
-Nate
3 rows for kids, the right size (tahoes are big if you're dyslexic), the best interior short of Lexus/Germans/LandRover, the best looking SUV for anything less than Lexus GX money. Great sound system, quiet inside, excellent handling for a 5500 lb truck, AND it's reliable
*someone correct me if this has changed but was the case 2-3 years ago
What's the MPG of a 392 Durango? It's like almost $7 CAD, right? I know, that's basically $5 USD, which is roughly metro NYC, but I don't think Canadian salaries are similarly scaled.
I've ridden in most of your choices and the Telluride is by far the most comfortable for schlepping around long stretches. It's almost not-comparable to the Durango (which, BTW, I love... regardless of the 392, nothing else looks like it). Not sure what the inventory is up there, but down here, it's a little easier (and cheaper) to get the equivalent Palisade, FWIW.
There's a lot of inventory around right now for the Telluride. Didn't consider the Palisade just 'cause is fugly.
I'm seeing very nicely configured SX Prestige X-Lines asking 2-5k under MSRP on Autotrader. A 50k Telly SXPX-L is an indescribable amount of car for the money.
Having put 1000+ road trip miles on a (non-392) '18 V8 durango and '22 Telly... I would choose the Telly, but if you're actually going to do burnouts, or have a company gas card, obviously the 392 is in a category of its own
Fuel economy is definitely a consideration behind the maple curtain, made worse by the ever increasing price spread between the advertised price for regular and the sometimes 35 cent per litre extra for what passes for premium dino juice at 91 octane. Still I would go for the 392.
liked for "maple curtain".
Also liked for "maple curtain," and yeah, I've been noticing the spread for premium too. Costco used to be the best with their premium being only about 6 or 7 ¢ over other places' regular and NO ETHANOL, but now they're nearly 22¢ more expensive than Costco regular and may have ethanol... Sad
Thanks for posting my question. Looking forward to everyone's feedback.
The only choice is the 392 enough said. Seriously. As Jack said people will come calling with cash when you chose to sell at some point in the future. The other choices not as much. Also like already said the model is at the end of the run so all the gremlins have been worked out.
The resale aspect is no joke. Before used car prices went crazy I stopped by the side of the road to look at an ancient Toyota pickup. It had like 340k miles (not kms, eh) with a rebuild at around 160, which is almost suspect. The guy wanted $3800 for it and probably got thereabouts. All because Toyota, especially that truck, got that rep. Just price so-called competitors in any class in the used market.
I heard someone say the other day “a used car that drives is now $5000”.
Sad but true. What happened to our money?
The politicians squandered it on stupid shit and undeserving people. Go on the online inflation calculator and enter an old car price or what you paid for your house, and you’ll be disgusted at just the last 5 years of the devaluation of our lives.
The Fed was started with the goal of having a stable money supply. The inflation rate since the Fed started? 3000%. Not a misprint.
Oh I know, just making a rhetorical comment. I'm not one to get all Peter Schiff, but the man makes a point.
Respect but no one will ever have a problem selling a Telluride.
Women have children, and Women With Children want a telluride*
*if they can't get a BMW
Donkey, I am shocked, shocked that you would position the Telluride as a “mommy mobile” that will defeat all the millions spent to create the Telluride as a rugged off road vehicle for masculine adventures. In one statement you are making it out to be a mini van. 🤣🤣
😉😉
😂😂
I wouldn’t consider the Explorer, or anything that looks like a police vehicle, just because you’ll never get anywhere fast because everyone in front of you won’t budge from the speed limit.
Flash your high beams and they'll let you by pronto.
Not an option on a surface street posted 25.
You shouldn't be speeding in a 25 zone, where there is likely to be pedestrians and children.
On this particular stretch of road, the difference between 25 and 30, because of the width of the road and the “sight picture,” is night and day, not to mention the sightlines, period! 25 doesn’t feel like you’re moving! This is a minor feeder road, not a residential street in a subdivision.
Even worse is when the school zone limit of 20 is in effect; the other morning as I pulled out of my street onto this feeder, I saw a local cop a short distance behind. It was all I could do to keep the car at 26mph, and I would have said so if they’d have lit me up and pulled me over! (I can’t for the life of me figure how people would be able to do only 15mph in this particular situation, which is the mandated school limit in some states!)
The reason seatbelts and airbags exist is because your head hitting the windshield at 30mph is equivalent to falling headfirst off a three story building onto concrete. That's the force of your 120 lb torso impacting plexiglass (the risk of which is heavily mitigated by your seatbelt and airbag), so now consider the force with which your 5000 lb steel SUV impacts an unprotected pedestrian or cyclist. You are driving a weapon every bit as if not more deadly than an AR-15 rifle, and your duty of care is just as important as it is with the rifle.
Speeding on a highway is basically a victimless crime; you do it, I do it, cops do it, everyone does it, and outside of extremely reckless cases it doesn't appreciably increase your dangerousness to other drivers. But the speed limits on residential streets and especially school zones exist for very good reasons. I suggest you calculate how little time you save by doing 35 instead of 20 in the school zone (spoiler: it's a few seconds). If you're not Max Verstappen, getting where you're going 10 seconds slower makes no difference, but killing someone's kid or some kid's mother makes a very big difference.
The cops drive these because they're too fat to fit into Taurus SHOs.
It would help if the Taurus had a door opening bigger than one on a Kia Sephia. Nothing beat the bubble Caprice for room. You'd never know those had a B pillar
Man, don't know the last time I saw a Sephia.
There’s no other police vehicles made except for Chevy Tahoes.
Around these parts the city cops drive Explorers and Tauruses while the sheriff deputies drive Chargers. I'm guessing it's a procurement issue.
Probably not a lot of Chargers left, unfortunately.
It’s my theory that the increased size of the average American is one of the major factors for the rise in SUV and pickup market share.
There is a lot of weight behind that theory.
Bada bing!!!
Which is Very Fat, because Taurus interiors were quite roomy
It's a blessing and a curse. I bought a black one. On highways it's great - ppl get out of the way and almost no one cuts you off. Well, no one respectable with anything to lose anyway. That clapped-out Altima will still cut you off - risk of you being a cop or not.
On backroads it usually sucks. Although on a few occasions I've had ppl pull off to the side.
Taken on balance I've grown to like the cop vibes. When I get in any other car I realize the "courtesy" I'm given in the Explorer.
That said, I've had a few occasions where ppl slow down or get out of the way, realize I'm not a cop and then get a little aggro about it. Usually, they just ride my bumper a little, I move over since they want to go faster, and it's not a big deal. BUT a few "big men" have taken it a step further when my wife has been driving it. Going so far as to flip her off and shout at her.
Solely based on that - I wouldn't recommend an Explorer (at least a black one or a white one) if it's driven by a woman. Too many "big men" think they can bully a woman because they confused it with a cop car and then feel they are entitled to take their micro-d rage out on a woman.
To the OP - if you can find an ST WITHOUT the tech package (plus? I think) - you'll get the more basic horizonal Ford screen and regular buttons. That vertical wannabe Tesla screen is so universally disliked that there's an entire aftermarket that supports "down grading" to the smaller screen and physical hvac buttons.
I have the smaller screen already, although I think the new 2025 redesign has gone even more SCREEEEEEN!!! If you can find a 2024 ST (or better yet a Platinum) - they should have the option for the basic screen. You lose the HUD (if that matters to you); but it'll still have the rest of the Ford 360 driving aids. They ST also has "speaker enhanced" go fast noise; which annoyed me and you can't turn it off in the settings menu. I did not buy an ST solely because of this. (Turns out though, I found out the dealer CAN disable it using ForScan.) A Platinum or an Aviator won't make those fake noises.
Btw - I drove a lot of the cars on your list as well. And I know you mentioned you don't worry too much about size... but even with just two kids - I'm glad I bought the larger (in it's class) Explorer. The interior volume of the Ford is just a little more than most, save the Traverse. The Pathfinder, Pilot, and new Grand Highlander are close. The Durango and the Jeep Grand Cherokee L were noticeably smaller. Likely the difference between body on frame vs unibody.
The Ford won us over on practicality, looks, and its drive - also if I'm honest - price too, but I keep cars forever. I bought a new left over 2022 in '23 and it was $8k off sticker. 18 months ago that was a feat - it might be different today. At the time, no one was doing under sticker; some were still doing markup.
Ford also has a really good extended warranty. This is my 3rd Ford product (the two prior being Lincolns). I treat them as value plays. As long as you don't expect 90s Japanese quality from them (which btw, I'm still on all the other manufacturer FB groups and EVEYONE has issue with new cars) they will have a few issues - but every single time Ford fixes it with that warranty.
A tip I wish I learned earlier. Ford extended warranties can be bought at any dealer - and there are dealers that specialize in selling wholesale / bulk. I was quoted close to $5k for an extended warranty from the dealer I purchased - but bought online from Grainger Ford - a 10 year 100k one for $2,200.
It all depends on what you value the most. If it's fun - I would 100% agree with Jack - get the Durango.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I think there is only one option for screens in the 2025s and it's in the horizontal orientation, but it's bigger now, 12.3" I think. I agree that the vertical one in the '24 was hideous, but I didn't know you could downgrade to a more sensible option. We're not really finding any '24s left though.
Excellent post. Second all this.
Can me you and speed and whoever else is in Ontario meet up and eat steaks or something
I'm always down for a good steak. We should try to talk Jack into having the next First Principles meeting up here.
Ive got some bad news for you. Jack gave trudeau a swirly in high school and justin banned him from Canada for it. 1/2 this story is true
If the first half is true I'll buy him the steak. And a bottle of scotch if he does it again.
calling acf up here into toronto or wherever seems cruel
The C dollar is worth 70% as much, Ii'm gonna party!
please do
our economy needs every penny it can get
Dude! I just found out you guys don't have the penny. (I know, I'm a typical American.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/magazine/worthless-pennies-united-states-economy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.KE4.Zc6B.VTi288BgCq75&smid=url-share?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email
im game obvs
danio might might have mentioned hes down here too i think
Huh, the Korean Elan is pretty neat! I forgot all about the fwd Elans until right now to be honest.
Matthew, get the 392 man. It's good in anything, and that platform is even MORE proven than the Explorer. That Mazda is pretty nice, though. Anyone bringing back a new I6 in 202x is interesting to me.
Gotta say I'm actually rather surprised CA greenlit that tattle-tale-tomfuckery. I'll be amused when they roll it back in 2031.
I am nowhere deep enough into the blue team to tell you what the deal is with the talking points being unverifiable. I do think that is incredibly sketchy, but maybe you don't need an officially published list since all the media sites post the same words anyway? Maybe the point isn't really WHAT they're saying, but more WHO directed them to say it. In that case, I'd definitely like to know. Unfortunately I don't think anyone deep enough into that pool to know would be reading this substack, let alone willing to comment.
Oh yeah, what hibachi place??? Nat and I are certified HibachiHeads (tm)
KYOTO, on sawmill road in Columbus
If I even find myself down that way I'll try and remember!
Next time youre here theres a pretty good place
Re: the debate... some people call it talking points, some people call it "fan service."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I hope to never buy an SUV, but the idea of a Durango 392 really appeals to me. As long as your credit score is higher than 392, buy the Durango. Make it F8 Green.
If you want more info on the Explorer ST, which has just been updated, Savage Geese has a new video on it. In the video they compare it to its competitors you mentioned. Regarding the CX9, they are Mazda fans but think the CX9 misses the mark. Good luck!
CX9 or 90?
The CX90 I drove was far nicer than an Audi Q7 sitting on the same lot. Mazda still needs a better infotainment though. The only real low point. I'd still take a Palisade or Telluride as the power trane are more proven. I worry about Mazda Hybrid implementation.
Is it their own or is it shared with Toyota? I thought that was one of the reasons for their tie up.
The CX-90 is their own. The Car Care Nut on YouTube has some very interesting videos that go deep into the how the plug-in hybrid and the mild hybrid systems work in the CX-90's.
Mazda's CX-50, which is built at Mazda Toyota Manufacturing in Huntsville, AL, will soon be available with a Toyota hybrid powertrain.
I meant their CX90 review.
If the CX-90's infotainment is the same or similar to our '21 CX-9's then I don't have an issue with it. I just let it hook up to my phone and play music. What else do you need it to do?
Any cats missing from your yard, Jack?
Kidding (hopefully).
I honestly thought we had hit a new low with the golf handicap argument in the Biden/Trump debate, but seeing a confused old man raving about pets being eaten by immigrants shows me we can always plumb new depths of discourse.
We desperately need a sane conservative party in this country and it's not at all clear to me how we will get to one in the near future.
Oh, and get the 392.
There was a sane, Conservative Party.
It didn’t win nationally. So, everyone hit the “bull in a China shop-f*ck it!” Button and selected the equivalent to a plain speaking 90s Democrat.
Seriously, he is positionally incredibly similar! Now that’s considered insane.
As always: We get what we DESERVE.
Sane Conservative Party kept getting us into trillion dollar wars and had a penchant for mass immigration only slightly less openly than Dems.
Hey, SOMEBODY's gotta plaster a veneer of legitimacy on these Profitability Uber Alles shenanigans the CEO class has been fucking us with for the past three generations.
In many ways Trump is the reincarnation of 𝙡𝙚𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙙𝙖𝙧𝙮 Ohio Rep TRAFICANT.
Bear with me while i explain why that's a good thing... (1/3,950)
"a confused old man raving about pets being eaten by immigrants"
this would be hilarious if there werent any truth to it
Exactly. There are in fact reports by the citizens of Springfield of this happening, whether it is or is not happening is up to the so called journalist to find out. And of course everyone is missing the bigger point the "old man" was making: illegal immigration is effecting communities negatively.
So no, I don't think it's a new low when the man has a valid point.
I remember when accurate reporting about couch fucking didnt matter
What’s this about couch f*cking? I thought this was the toaster f*cking group?
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2024/09/the-toaster-problem.html?m=1
the govt trying in vain to convince the populace that what theyre seeing isnt happening is just like the beach shitting incidents up here
extremely irritating
It’s the Communist playbook. They have to do it to stay in the club.
Just like when Saddam Hussein’s spokespuke was saying that everything was wonderful as the statue was being toppled in the background! 😂
Fiery but mostly peaceful. Never forget it.
EW ~
I live in the suburbs not far out of the city and public shitting really pisses me off .
One of our foster boys would occasionally drop a log in the hallway or bathroom floor .
I remember the same kind of foolishness when I was in correction, we'd tell them once, maybe twice to cut it out then we handled it and oddly enough they _never_ did that again, not anywhere even where we'd be un likely to find it .
-Nate
Zoinks!
No big deal apart from taking a dump in a public place .
I'm not sure how to handle that need in general, Los Angeles now has those large oval shaped public toilets here and there, they're supposedly self cleaning after each use, when they were new I thought I'd stop and look inside one to see what's what but I never did .
There's more than a few things I know how to deal with I really wish I didn't but they're mostly on me for getting my self into places I'd rather not have gone .
This is part and parcel of being Conservative ~ when you fuck up the consequences are often very unpleasant .
-Nate
Open defecation seems to be very entrenched in the cultures of the Subcontinent, which are rapidly becoming a major demographic in Canada.
Solving the problem may be equivalent to expecting the French to give up wine.
Well, SHIT!
Is that because they all wear dresses? Much more discrete that way...
its incredibly vile
ive even seen a vid of a guy shitting on someones lawn in the middle of the day
Diversity is our strength, you racist!
beach shitting?
correct
people literally shitting on a public beach in broad daylight
wiping and everything?
insane homeless people? wtf
I have a friend who is very left leaning but only mildly informed (and smart). He texted me this afternoon about “lol Trump said Kamala wanted sex changes for jailed illegal aliens how stupid is he lolz” and a pic of ET in drag. I replied back with the link to the 2019 CNN report of her promoting…sex changes for jailed illegal aliens. It’s been radio silent since.
link please .
-Nate
Wait...ET in drag?!
You know, I've never seen ET.
Ice Age :
You poor culturally deprived child .
It's a great feel good movie you should watch it with your young kids , grandkids or someone else's to fully get the effect .
Kinda silly and sappy but that's okay too .
-Nate
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/09/09/politics/kfile-harris-pledged-support-in-2019-to-cut-ice-funding-and-provide-transgender-surgery-to-detained-migrants
THANK YOU ! .
I cannot say what to do here, San Fransisco has always been to me a really fun and cool place to visit and hang out but I noticed it beginning to change and feel sorry for those who live there now .
-Nate
You’ll be similarly radio silent when Kamala wins after Trump fumbled away all his momentum!
Sadder that the “Democratic” nominee was appointed without any “democracy” or that the first “woman” President will go down in history for her political gifts: https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1833550125022503268
“What difference does it make?”
The copium is strong in this hivemind!
Think the pet story, works to his advantage, the absurdity makes the less politically engaged take notice. A quick internet search the reveals that cat being back on the menu, is just the tip of the migration iceberg.
Word, and not to sound like a bitter college football fan, but the biggest takeaway of the night was the blatantly partisan "refs."
The official stats I saw had ABC inturrupting Trump 11 times and "fact checking" him five times while Commie-la was allowed to say whatever she wanted all night with impunity.
But the real reason he doesn't want another debate is cause Kamallama owned him!
Lol yes, she's very insightful on the Disney-approved topic list of climate change, Jan 6th, and diversity/sexism.
The Swifties et al. need to do some serious reflection before casting ballots for someone that the machine so obviously wants to install in the Oval Office.
Swifties and Serious Reflection are not bedfellows.
Guy at a City Council meeting there stated that he witnessed those people ripping the heads off of ducks in a city park.
There’s at least a ring of truth to that. Just as with the Aurora, CO, situation!
I’ll take someone like that over a fetid waste of protoplasm like that nasal, sniveling, smirking, vapid dipshit any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
and then as if on cue a bunch of retards sprung up and claimed that this was actually the same as eating chickens and noticing hatians butchering cats in the street is the same a grilling a steak
How are we ever going to obtain our well deserved Third World status if the ducks and geese keep their heads?
commissar please import infinity browns immediately
Thought of you when I read this the other day:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5091259/indian-migrants-immigration-canada-northern-border-illegal-us-customs-and-border-protection
Geese are assholes… silver lining
Yeah, but it should be US offing those greasy little bastards, not the Haitians.
Next weeks headline, “why eating your neighbours pet is a good thing” ….something something climate change, diversity, equity and decolonization.
the craziest thing about this whole ordeal is that nobody has yet made jokes about the chinese
i bet theyre thrilled theyre not the ones people are thinking of when eating dogs and cats is brought up
That’s the Koreans.
A man did speak about ducks being eaten by Haitians.
There is nothing sane about a "conservative" who espouses the Kamala's border policy and warmongering, which is what the McCains / Romneys / Cheneys get you.
The Haitians, documented as eating cats and everything else in Haiti unsurprisingly continue this behavior when imported en masse through an NGO-government-corporate collusion. I'm not joking.
They will claim to bring these people, 20k in a town of 60k, in to "save" a community while destroying it and feeding off the blood. They work for low low wages thanks to government assistance and displace Americans, ruin their way of life, and we're told this is a good thing.
"eating cats and everything else in Haiti"
including literal people
at least americans have guns to defend themselves and likely a strong community to cover up the haitians that might go missing
If we could just limit it to other haitians, maybe this problem can solve itself
if only
we need to borrow one of those firefighting planes and fill it full of bbq sauce so we can do a low pass over them to try and get it started
Suit yourself. I'm not eating dark meat.
? even if it's female ? .
That's as far down that particular rabbit hole as I'll go, have fun with it .
-Nate
same
they can go to town on each other for all i care though thats a bit too culturally enriching
(replying to Speed)
I like how you think Sir .
-Nate
Trujillo did nothing wrong.
"...seeing a confused old man raving about pets being eaten by immigrants shows me we can always plumb new depths of discourse."
Not that long ago, "THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS, THEY'RE EATING THE CATS!" would have been the sort of universally agreed upon campaign-ending debate moment that'd become legend. But in post-Trump America, it's a Tuesday.
Do you think this Black man is lying:
https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/us-news/all-about-viral-claims-of-haitian-migrants-eating-pets-in-springfield-ohio/
(granted, there is a difference between ducks and domestic pets)
Perhaps the real problem is less about Trump's words, but the fact that in Biden/Harris America, it's highly plausible.
when 'fact checked,' he shoulda said 'i must've got the info from fake news!
because thats literally happening
Another thing you should also know; the Hunter Biden laptop is real.
The Bee as always on target:
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-assures-americans-that-migrants-havent-killed-any-cats-just-women-and-children
Related. Other goings on in Springfield, Ohio:
"I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man," Mr Clark said at the meeting, as his wife Danielle stood beside him. "I bet you never thought anyone would ever say something so blunt."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj35kk42k5vo
How many bulls do you think his wife has?
What a piece of shit.
"I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man"
fascinating
please face the wall
Personally, I wish the migrant had murdered the father and mother at that press conference.
Video here (by a Black man, so its not racially-motivated hate speech):
https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/us-news/all-about-viral-claims-of-haitian-migrants-eating-pets-in-springfield-ohio/