Camden Thrasher is incredible, and as great as his automotive and motorsports photography is, his aviation photography makes it all look somehow pedestrian by comparison. Also, he took photos of both my sons in the Bentley Continental GT3 at Lime Rock Park, which I cherish.
I can't speak to the Veloster N because I wasn't there -- I've driven one on track, it deserves some praise.
The GT350 blew its engine because it was being abused by our Editor in Chief. A replacement car was immediately provided.
The GT3 was chosen by that same Editor in Chief over the new 2014 Mustang which had EVERYONE else's vote.
The NSX won because Bark M is a better and more persuasive salesman than anyone else on the staff, and because he had personal relationships to maintain with Acura PR. But it's also a great car.
My favorite PCOTY was when I convinced everyone to vote against Kim Wolfkill and he threw his notebook before storming out of the room.
I met him at the Long Beach GP (2018?) in the Weathertech VIP. I was smoking a cigar on the terrace with a young Weathertech employee with whom I am friendly. Kim complained about this; David MacNeil’s long-time #2, who is another friend of mine, made the executive decision that I would be allowed to indulge myself (this fellow later told me about Kim’s complaint and pointed him out to me).
I introduced myself to Kim later that day and made to sure to name drop my close, personal friend Jack Baruth. Perhaps already predisposed against me, Kim looked at me like you’d look at the bottom of your shoe after stepping in dog shit.
Oh yes! The incomparable Veloster N! That was the last Issue of R&T that I read. I recall some phrase like, "before you throw this in the fire . . ". I happened to be parked next to a delicious fire enjoying a fine glass of wine and the magazine went straight into the flames.
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Do a story on the replacement of said vehicle a few years down the road, and then call the previous one a POS, which wasn't said at the time. It results in a bit of hurt feelings, but the car makers understand that sometimes you have to put yourself on the line of fire over a discontinued vehicle.
The sole exception to this was Porsche IMS and RMS failures, which everyone pretended didn't happen even after Porsche settled a lawsuit and fixed cars!
Pay no attention to the IMS Bearing behind the curtain, I am the great wizard of oz! Trust me! hahaha. Wasn't he BMW E46 M3 rod bearing thing pretty bad, did anyone mention that ever? Kind of doubt it.
I like that the throttle position sensors are wear items. Like the motor is only good for 60,000 miles and then it sort of needs refreshing.
My biggest mistake was not buying EVERY failed SMG pump car ever for like nothing. I took mine apart because Fuck the $5k for a new one. Turns out is just machined aluminum and stuff, nothing to really fail. Like a power steering pump. things last forever.
But then I took this black cap off and found a shit little electric motor with a plastic armature that was barely empregnated with copper or whatever which wore through to the plastic. So I started googling the little weird numbers on the motor and a company in California sold me a new armature and brushes that I soldered in. $250 bucks instead of $5000. Plus it's a labor nightmare.
The company is Eurton Electric, in CA. They now sell kits for the SMG and ABS pump motors in case one you makes the mistake I did and buys an E46 M3. Btw I love the car, but it fucking exploded in massachussets and cost me a fortune to get back home. Now Im back to E36 era cars because I fix them in parking lot. Even swap an engine in, if I have to. Much easier to spend a few months on the other side of the country, away from your garage, when you can fix your car anywhere.
I debate constantly whether to get mine retrofitted. On one hand, it’s $3000 into a ratty old Boxster that goes away in 13 months in favor of a 911 Turbo or F Type SVR or some combination of spec Miata and old Silverado. On the other, I’d like to enjoy my Boxster and go on a variety of wild adventures in it. However, currently exigent is a key replacement (the original key with its “Porsche Southampton” tag is either lost in my apartment or a Pittsburgh club or the trash) which is managing to cost a lovely $800 (for it has to be towed from my driveway in Morgantown, WV to Pittsburgh). If I’m rocking the Audi or Miata in Hocking Hills, you know why.
The idiots I work with were having a conversation about just that thing today. I turned up my Metallica on my headphones and focused on my deeds. I can only take so much idiocy.
How long before some zillionaire builds a functioning Enterprise replica? I know we gotta figure out how to warp first, but these are minor details....
I've called them out before. They were complaining about a local TV weatherman getting himself fired for not getting the covid vaccine (they thought he was being stupid and stubborn about it). The TV weatherman had said something about how you wouldn't put brakes on your car without some sort of warranty, why would you trust a pharmaceutical company you can't hold accountable? Well, these two dolts thought he was being stupid, so I called them out on it ("You DON'T think it's a little weird those huge-ass companies are without liability in this case?") they were DESPERATE to come up with an excuse to cling to their worldview. I still remember the darting eyes on the one dolt's face as he sought the farthest corners of his mind for something, ANYTHING to maintain his idiotic worldview. It had been a waste of my time then, and it isn't any better now.
Oh, and there was also the day when Rittenhouse got his not guilty verdict. The one dolt was astonished to learn that the people he killed in self defense were white guys. It was like you see in movies, his "THEY WERE WHITE????" shout reverberated through the entire building. Nothing I say matters. He and the others are all still dolts.
I really started to notice this when the Mustang finally got IRS and the '10-'14 car suddenly became the most antediluvian piece of shit ever made. Pepperidge Farms remembers when most publications lauded Ford's suspension work on the 2010 car, with at least one claiming it out handled the Camaro's IRS.
I owned both generations of Mustang. I can't drive worth shit. I didn't notice a difference on all but the worst pavement.
...it's painfully obvious when an LSD is absent or has failed. I could have used some "fast locking action" when I learned this in my first car, the first time I tried to show off after an after-work store meeting at the Whole Foods I was employed at, and instead of doing a glorious donut almost drove into a parking island because the outer rear tire didn't get the memo.
When we were seriously considering settling down in Japan forever, I was looking for old Mustangs to put in my driveway after we had our house built. Instead we had a third kid and moved back, but I still sometimes daydream about driving my Mustang GT convertible up and down the 135 coastal road in Izu at full throttle.
In stock trim that could well be true. When you set them both up with equal allowances in terms of tire and aero, the E46 M3 is faster than a Coyote Mustang. Hell, my World Challenge Accord with 282 frwhp made easy meat of Spec Iron 5.0 S197s.
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See, that's the ugly little secret of the independent rear suspension: On a smooth surface, it has almost no advantage over a well-sorted live axle, and a few disadvantages.
From what I saw and heard, it was driven the by the younger hard core mustang fans. You might be surprised how many hard core Ford guys actually worked at Ford. Not as many as I would have liked but it was enough.
The old guys claimed that IFS couldn't handle 500hp and there new engines that were coming. And the young guys were like we don't care how much power it makes if it's a sold axle and your customers won't either. The game changer was the ford GT. They shoved that suspension design down every drag racer's throat at ford for the years when anyone ever brought up a live axle. I think we got IFS in the mustang because it worked in the GT. Halo car for real.
I worked for Ford back in 2003 in the marketing department with the brand managers. There was a massive push for the new mustang to have IFS and while I can't remember all the details from just the conversations, my feeling was that the younger teams lost to the old side of Ford that was arguing the Mustang was more important to drag racers than road racer types. But I remember them being pissed and telling me to wait and watch... No way the next Mustang(10-14 I guess) will still have a live axle. I remember that day well.
Oh also, don't hate me Jack, my presentation to Mgmt was to pull the crown vic out of showrooms. Special order only. I toured the east coast talking to dealers and everyone of them begged me to stop sending crown Vics and showed me a pile in the back of lot that were way off floorplan and costing them a fortune. I also found out that day that dealers don't really get to order their cars. Sure they can ask for some, but the truck shows up with a bunch of stuff they didn't want either! I was like how the hell?
The answers were kind of awesome. It's Ford and Im Ford, if they want me to sell it, I'll do my best. BUT PLEASE FIND A WAY TO GET THE CROWN VICS OFF THE TRUCKS.
I'm sure it was discussed forever at Ford, but when I came back from trip and my group asked what I learned, I was like Ford needs to stop selling the crown vic in showrooms.... You should have seen their faces and the silence.
YOU CANNOT TELL SENIOR MANAGEMENT THAT!
Watch me! There was a lot of infighting, but I was like you're screwing dealers every time you ship them one and I bet the head of Ford has no idea, bc you are too afraid. Tell them truth. Let them make good decisions.
Not quite. I sold four of them over the course of year, all special ordered for businessmen or professors in their sixties. One of them was a notable architect who had done some really neat buildings over the years.
Oh please, the fetish for manual wagons of any kind is so stupid. You really want a 15 year old BMW wagon so you can change gears on your way to Home Depot? really?
Don’t understand the hate here. Why wouldn’t I want a nice driving practical car? It’s no different than a BMW sedan except having more cargo capacity.
In the early ‘90s, I had a 10 year old Volvo 240 wagon, manual, vinyl seats, no a/c. Nice, had ipd sway bars and Tokiko shocks, so it handled ok enough to autocross, but it was slow. Liked it, but not enough to ever get another one. Don’t understand the current view of them...
As the owner of two e46s (sedan and wagon) that are used for daily driver duty, the wagon is super handy for hauling stuff and it drives no different from the sedan. Subjectively I think the wagon is a better looking car.
I never understood the brown and diesel bullet points, beyond being purposefully contrarian. Regular 3-series wagons don't do anything for me, either, but if I were shopping E63s, the wagon would have most of my attention. On the off chance I ever live in Europe, a V10 manual M5 longroof with the most extended coverage I can find will be at the top of my shopping list next to a TVR Sagaris, too.
When you grew up collecting baseball cards, wagons check a lot of the same boxes that made some cards more desirable than others. The rarity makes fast wagons a lot more interesting than their run-of-the-mill sedan counterparts - the reverse would be true if wagons were the decades-ling go-to ride of rich non-car guys that just walk into the Bimmer showroom and select the most expensive one.
Diesel is the ultimate fuel. Torque in all the right places like an ev and the convenience of internal combustion. Greater range than petrol and less carbon too. Just a bit of a shame about the babies that die from the nitrous oxides☹️
Oooh, I don't remember that story, maybe there was a laps in our subscription. IDK why but just the mention of DED makes me think of Turn your "Hymnal to 2002", changed the automotive direction of my life, and my dad and brother, too
Wife and I love our wagons. She was devastated when I deemed our Royal Indigo Metallic 2002 Mercedes E320 wagon unrepairable due to cascading electrical issues. Still drove great at 437k miles, but it’s easier to tell you what worked than what didn’t - instrument cluster, radio, headlights. I shut her up upon finding our Fusion Blue 2006 Saab 9-5 SportCombi.
Wagons just seem to meet all my needs. More nimble than an SUV as well. But I will agree that they’re fetishized for the sake of style, and I can’t really explain why I’m disgusted with that.
Don't forget when It comes to sports cars the latest version is always docile and easily controlled at the limit while the previous model was a handful and always has been just don't read the reviews from when it came out that mention nothing of the sort.
Regarding #1, which applies to a lot of journalism in general: When Tom Wolfe died, I wanted to do a piece on how much he influenced automotive writing (if anything is seminal, The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby is) particularly at Car & Driver. When I asked Don Sherman about it he said something to the effect of "Wait. Were you hanging out in the C&D offices back then? Immeasurable."
I mean that, btw, in a good sense. I don't know if Jack would agree with me, but he puts a lot of himself up front in his writing and I think you can draw a line between that and TTFSB. Just because the facts need to be objective doesn't mean the craft of writing about them can't be subjective.
The firing of Sherman as editor was the beginning of the end for Car and Driver. It's understandable that he could not have survived in a corporate environment, because he doesn't suffer fools, and he says exactly what's on his mind. I honestly believe that, as different a character as he was from David, he could have kept the spirit of Car and Drivetrain alive. Jeanes is a nice and decent man, and definitely much better at dealing with the corporate overlords, but probably lacking the fight in him to keep the old counter culture spirit alive.
In my defense, we weren't getting paid for anything and we weren't really sure there was even an audience out there. It was like doing stand-up comedy during the week.
I remember reading an article about some economy car where the PR shill talked about its "classic front-wheel drive proportions." I clicked off it and never went back. I can't say exactly what it is about that phrase that bothered me so much, but even just typing it as an example makes me feel like I'm about to break out in hives.
Hahahaha. I was bracing myself to find out where I'd land on the spectrum of this article as both a photographer AND one of those despised art directors.... I must have done something right. Glad to see you appreciate(d) me even though two of my former employers failed to.
And for the record, we got plenty of driving in on that trip to the Alps!
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That Camaro at the "Thermal Club"? Where next year IndyCar is going to have a non points something, on a track where there will be almost nobody in attendance? Stupidest plucking thing I've ever heard.
I take that back. Doing the same in Argentina and then having to transport Callum Ilott's body back to Britian because the Argentines have hurt feelz will be worse.
I use photos and their captions to include information that would otherwise interrupt the narrative flow. Also, vintage photos and advertising can add a lot of to a piece.
Bingo. When I write articles, the captions for the photos are the most fun and add to the article. For my book, I think I had 25K words in captions alone and they were a lot of fun to write and didn't duplicate the main text of the work.
And you have an editor!! I find my technique of writing for publications and and websites so obscure that they don't have the budget for a real editor, or they're just thankful for someone that can string two sentences together writes for them, usually results in no, or very little, editing of my original drafts :).
" I’ve never taken a single photo that anyone thought was any good. So how much could my opinion possibly matter, anyway?" you don't need to be able to cook in order to tell if a meal is good or bad.
I didn't say that I agreed with Meyer. I've been fairly pleased with most of those that I've encountered.
That reminds me of a joke, but you'll have to fill in the blanks. I'll give you some hints. The first might raise an eyebrow in mixed company, unless you're a female doing standup comedy. The second will get you completely excommunicated from polite society, well, unless you're British. In America it's radioactive.
A 12 year old boy asks his father, "Dad, what's the difference between a ____ and a ____?"
Dad tells him to go get the magazine he keeps stashed behind the toilet. Kid gets the magazine.
"Now see that pink slit with the fur around it?" (It was an older magazine, and an even older joke).
"Yeah, dad."
"Well that's a ____. Everything else in the picture is a ____"
You might not be good at taking pictures of machines. Inanimate objects. Every try the human element. Like get a super wide lens and try to capture the feel of a bunch of fiends working on a race car together? I bet you would be really good. Try it next time youre not under time pressure and are prepping cars. like your cat photos dude. Ohhh... maybe that's your jam. Kittens, Cars, and Cougars.
Full disclosure: I was one of those art directors who lived by the "photos or it didn't happen" law. Which is to a large degree what Jack is complaining about—but it is the reason the two of us would be on a location.
It didn't help that we worked for some of the most deeply insecure people in America, at least one of whom is probably doing a bit of roleplay tonight where he pretends to be you and a warm meatloaf in a Nalgene bottle stands in for someone else we know.
What? Huh? Do that on Only Fans and they would probably drop you and call the cops. Unless I am completely missing something, that's something I never want to see.
I'm picturing Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet with a oxygen mask on, not hooked up to anything, degrading Isabella Rossellini, while I believe Kyle MacLachlan is watching in a closet.
It's a reference to the fact that one of my valued subscribers managed to hook up with someone who was permanently beyond the reach of the other person being discussed.
A vendor at the harmonica convention was selling a harmonica disinfecting chamber that looked so much like a Fleshlight that people couldn't walk by without laughing. Here's another one. https://www.thomann.de/prodbilder/512064.jpg
Soooo can we discuss the harmonica convention? What does it sound like the convention hall? I'm picturing the South Park recorder episode! and now I kind of want to go! also that is a flesh light!
Speaking of Dave Portnoy, I'm genuinely ambivalent about him. He's a prick and not very book smart, but he's pretty good on the First Amendment, seems to help small businesses, and he's demonstrated how so many journalists are biased hacks today. I just think he's an ass. That's okay, most people probably think that way about me if they don't have a stronger epithet to use. The one that hurt, though, is when my cousin told me that people considered me to be a boor.
He does know his pizza and is passionate about doing the videos. A few years ago he did a couple of pizza joints in Old Forge PA bordering Scranton. My nephew is from the other side of Scranton.
He was in Philly and sees Portnoy doing a video. Shouts old "Old Forge". Portnoy goes and says "Which One? Store A or Store B"? A year or 2 had passed and Portnoy probably had a 100 or so videos in between.
"The one that hurt, though, is when my cousin told me that people considered me to be a boor."
You have a talent for saying what probably doesn't need to be said out loud, and for running every thread to the end. However, those are also the marks of a talented artist, so whatcha gonna do?
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I'm only 40 pages in, so I can't make much of a judgement. I imagine that, at the time (written in 1968), it was quite scandalous, but in this day and age, you can read about jerking off into a piece of liver (or at least a Nalgene bottle packed with meatloaf) on any hack's Substack.
Roth also seems to rely very heavily on the trope of the nagging, worrying Jewish mother and aloof, overworked (and constipated - so much emphasis on that) father. Perhaps he was the first to make such things a feature of literature, and so they were not tropes when he wrote them?
Camden Thrasher is incredible, and as great as his automotive and motorsports photography is, his aviation photography makes it all look somehow pedestrian by comparison. Also, he took photos of both my sons in the Bentley Continental GT3 at Lime Rock Park, which I cherish.
Hoping he gets a picture of my son in an A-10 someday, preferably going weapons free on the Meta campus from 500 feet.
We hired him for Sam's "jedi canyon" piece.
That was a good piece.
I may or may not know that canyon really well, both from a flying and plane spotting perspective.
Just got the reference!
Zuck go boom! 😂
Derek I didn't know you shot professionally. Cool.
I'm in the street photo world, do workshops, talks etc. By day middle age lawyer, by night art dude..
Sure, if you're ok with it, post yours and I'll follow you. I prefer to keep my personas separate if you know what I mean.
Check out the EYExplore YouTube channel for Tokyo street photography, it’s mesmerizing.
The nighttime videos are so amazing you’d think they’re enhanced, but nope, it’s the real thing.
Thanks will do.
I think I'll check that out, myself.
I know nothing about photography other than having two eyes (and plenty of opinions).
But even I can discern Camden’s abilities.
Chiming in to say that the blue Viper T/A 2.0--that specific one in the photo--is one of my favorite cars of all time. That was a fun week.
BRILLIANT CAR.
Just stunning. In all conditions.
Best advice I ever received, re: my initial trepidation with the Viper was from you:
"Pretend it's a giant Miata."
Only good times from that moment forward. I liked that car more than the GT3 that won that PCOTY.
The GT3 that
"won"
the PCOTY
because it was
11-1 for the Mustang
Is there not a long list of dubious “winners” of PCOTY?
NSX (I believe Bark M was empaneled on the jury), a Mustang that popped its motor, the Veloster N?
I can't speak to the Veloster N because I wasn't there -- I've driven one on track, it deserves some praise.
The GT350 blew its engine because it was being abused by our Editor in Chief. A replacement car was immediately provided.
The GT3 was chosen by that same Editor in Chief over the new 2014 Mustang which had EVERYONE else's vote.
The NSX won because Bark M is a better and more persuasive salesman than anyone else on the staff, and because he had personal relationships to maintain with Acura PR. But it's also a great car.
My favorite PCOTY was when I convinced everyone to vote against Kim Wolfkill and he threw his notebook before storming out of the room.
What’s Kim up to these days?
I met him at the Long Beach GP (2018?) in the Weathertech VIP. I was smoking a cigar on the terrace with a young Weathertech employee with whom I am friendly. Kim complained about this; David MacNeil’s long-time #2, who is another friend of mine, made the executive decision that I would be allowed to indulge myself (this fellow later told me about Kim’s complaint and pointed him out to me).
I introduced myself to Kim later that day and made to sure to name drop my close, personal friend Jack Baruth. Perhaps already predisposed against me, Kim looked at me like you’d look at the bottom of your shoe after stepping in dog shit.
Wolfkill is a douche bag! I hate every word he ever wrote and hate myself for reading them.
Oh yes! The incomparable Veloster N! That was the last Issue of R&T that I read. I recall some phrase like, "before you throw this in the fire . . ". I happened to be parked next to a delicious fire enjoying a fine glass of wine and the magazine went straight into the flames.
Is this the right article to post "Pics or it didn't happen?"
PCOTY is what put me onto JB. The one where someone crashed a car.
That someone is an ACF subscriber! :)
The things that always bugged me about automotive journalism were stuff like:
1: Making the prose too cool by half.
2: Declaring every car a bargain, be it Chevy or Koenigsegg.
3: Acting like the reader gives two shits about trim levels on a fucking Lamborghini.
4: Excoriating American cars for subjective crap and faults they casually dismiss on Euro iron.
5: The endless parade of blowjobs, handies and anal they give the M3.
Did I miss anything?
Do a story on the replacement of said vehicle a few years down the road, and then call the previous one a POS, which wasn't said at the time. It results in a bit of hurt feelings, but the car makers understand that sometimes you have to put yourself on the line of fire over a discontinued vehicle.
LOL. I came in just a second late with the same sentiment.
The sole exception to this was Porsche IMS and RMS failures, which everyone pretended didn't happen even after Porsche settled a lawsuit and fixed cars!
I never heard of that!
EXACTLY.
Pay no attention to the IMS Bearing behind the curtain, I am the great wizard of oz! Trust me! hahaha. Wasn't he BMW E46 M3 rod bearing thing pretty bad, did anyone mention that ever? Kind of doubt it.
Heute ze rob bearing clearance, morgen die Welt!
I DID write "rob" instead of "rod."
Fucking Chiclet keys...
The S54 engine had quite a few issues.
I like that the throttle position sensors are wear items. Like the motor is only good for 60,000 miles and then it sort of needs refreshing.
My biggest mistake was not buying EVERY failed SMG pump car ever for like nothing. I took mine apart because Fuck the $5k for a new one. Turns out is just machined aluminum and stuff, nothing to really fail. Like a power steering pump. things last forever.
But then I took this black cap off and found a shit little electric motor with a plastic armature that was barely empregnated with copper or whatever which wore through to the plastic. So I started googling the little weird numbers on the motor and a company in California sold me a new armature and brushes that I soldered in. $250 bucks instead of $5000. Plus it's a labor nightmare.
The company is Eurton Electric, in CA. They now sell kits for the SMG and ABS pump motors in case one you makes the mistake I did and buys an E46 M3. Btw I love the car, but it fucking exploded in massachussets and cost me a fortune to get back home. Now Im back to E36 era cars because I fix them in parking lot. Even swap an engine in, if I have to. Much easier to spend a few months on the other side of the country, away from your garage, when you can fix your car anywhere.
I debate constantly whether to get mine retrofitted. On one hand, it’s $3000 into a ratty old Boxster that goes away in 13 months in favor of a 911 Turbo or F Type SVR or some combination of spec Miata and old Silverado. On the other, I’d like to enjoy my Boxster and go on a variety of wild adventures in it. However, currently exigent is a key replacement (the original key with its “Porsche Southampton” tag is either lost in my apartment or a Pittsburgh club or the trash) which is managing to cost a lovely $800 (for it has to be towed from my driveway in Morgantown, WV to Pittsburgh). If I’m rocking the Audi or Miata in Hocking Hills, you know why.
It took me about 25-30 years to figure that one out. I'm a slow learner. Took more than a couple of "Hey, wait a minute"'s to finally see the light.
Oh wait!
Forgot about all the fawning adulation for EVs and Our Safe, Clean, Sustainable Nonbinary Future of Mobility Solutions.
The idiots I work with were having a conversation about just that thing today. I turned up my Metallica on my headphones and focused on my deeds. I can only take so much idiocy.
Yeah, can't wait for a bloodless, anodyne future full of Amorphous Transportation Modules made of edible plankton.
It's "Star Trek: The Next Generation" with the neutered humanity, but none of the cool technologies like starships and phasers and deflector shields.
Not sure if you watched the same Star Trek TNG as me but I remember people being horny AF throughout the whole run.
You’re absolutely right. Huh.
How long before some zillionaire builds a functioning Enterprise replica? I know we gotta figure out how to warp first, but these are minor details....
I have a thing for Vash. I like her better than Voyager's 7 of 9.
Those things are only cool if you go to war, and war is not conducted by neutered humans.
I’M SURROUNDED BY STUPID. I really wish you’d told to stop being morons.
I've called them out before. They were complaining about a local TV weatherman getting himself fired for not getting the covid vaccine (they thought he was being stupid and stubborn about it). The TV weatherman had said something about how you wouldn't put brakes on your car without some sort of warranty, why would you trust a pharmaceutical company you can't hold accountable? Well, these two dolts thought he was being stupid, so I called them out on it ("You DON'T think it's a little weird those huge-ass companies are without liability in this case?") they were DESPERATE to come up with an excuse to cling to their worldview. I still remember the darting eyes on the one dolt's face as he sought the farthest corners of his mind for something, ANYTHING to maintain his idiotic worldview. It had been a waste of my time then, and it isn't any better now.
Oh, and there was also the day when Rittenhouse got his not guilty verdict. The one dolt was astonished to learn that the people he killed in self defense were white guys. It was like you see in movies, his "THEY WERE WHITE????" shout reverberated through the entire building. Nothing I say matters. He and the others are all still dolts.
Carrying the Our Bodies Of The Our Democracy
I really started to notice this when the Mustang finally got IRS and the '10-'14 car suddenly became the most antediluvian piece of shit ever made. Pepperidge Farms remembers when most publications lauded Ford's suspension work on the 2010 car, with at least one claiming it out handled the Camaro's IRS.
I owned both generations of Mustang. I can't drive worth shit. I didn't notice a difference on all but the worst pavement.
The 2011 Coyotes that were built for the press intro event didn't get limited-slips due to production issues, but it was still on the sticker.
At least three of the tests I read after the fact praised the diff for its fast locking action.
...it's painfully obvious when an LSD is absent or has failed. I could have used some "fast locking action" when I learned this in my first car, the first time I tried to show off after an after-work store meeting at the Whole Foods I was employed at, and instead of doing a glorious donut almost drove into a parking island because the outer rear tire didn't get the memo.
Yeah a one-tire donut is a plow
The main reason Ford put an IRS in the S550 was because it was sick of taking all that shit from the auto press about the Mustang's live axle.
Funny, I seem to recall the S197 punking the M3 on road courses.
Maybe I have too much 'MURCA in my blood, but I'd take a Mustang almost every time over an M3. (exception: E46 in Laguna Seca Blue)
I'd take a Mustang becuase V8s are cooler than inline sixes, doubly so when the six has puked coolant on the road.
Again.
When we were seriously considering settling down in Japan forever, I was looking for old Mustangs to put in my driveway after we had our house built. Instead we had a third kid and moved back, but I still sometimes daydream about driving my Mustang GT convertible up and down the 135 coastal road in Izu at full throttle.
In stock trim that could well be true. When you set them both up with equal allowances in terms of tire and aero, the E46 M3 is faster than a Coyote Mustang. Hell, my World Challenge Accord with 282 frwhp made easy meat of Spec Iron 5.0 S197s.
See, that's the ugly little secret of the independent rear suspension: On a smooth surface, it has almost no advantage over a well-sorted live axle, and a few disadvantages.
From what I saw and heard, it was driven the by the younger hard core mustang fans. You might be surprised how many hard core Ford guys actually worked at Ford. Not as many as I would have liked but it was enough.
The old guys claimed that IFS couldn't handle 500hp and there new engines that were coming. And the young guys were like we don't care how much power it makes if it's a sold axle and your customers won't either. The game changer was the ford GT. They shoved that suspension design down every drag racer's throat at ford for the years when anyone ever brought up a live axle. I think we got IFS in the mustang because it worked in the GT. Halo car for real.
I worked for Ford back in 2003 in the marketing department with the brand managers. There was a massive push for the new mustang to have IFS and while I can't remember all the details from just the conversations, my feeling was that the younger teams lost to the old side of Ford that was arguing the Mustang was more important to drag racers than road racer types. But I remember them being pissed and telling me to wait and watch... No way the next Mustang(10-14 I guess) will still have a live axle. I remember that day well.
Oh also, don't hate me Jack, my presentation to Mgmt was to pull the crown vic out of showrooms. Special order only. I toured the east coast talking to dealers and everyone of them begged me to stop sending crown Vics and showed me a pile in the back of lot that were way off floorplan and costing them a fortune. I also found out that day that dealers don't really get to order their cars. Sure they can ask for some, but the truck shows up with a bunch of stuff they didn't want either! I was like how the hell?
The answers were kind of awesome. It's Ford and Im Ford, if they want me to sell it, I'll do my best. BUT PLEASE FIND A WAY TO GET THE CROWN VICS OFF THE TRUCKS.
I'm sure it was discussed forever at Ford, but when I came back from trip and my group asked what I learned, I was like Ford needs to stop selling the crown vic in showrooms.... You should have seen their faces and the silence.
YOU CANNOT TELL SENIOR MANAGEMENT THAT!
Watch me! There was a lot of infighting, but I was like you're screwing dealers every time you ship them one and I bet the head of Ford has no idea, bc you are too afraid. Tell them truth. Let them make good decisions.
The Vic was showroom poison from about 1995 onwards. Which was a shame, because it was a good and durable car.
Only limo services, taxi companies and police departments wanted the Panther, and that was only because they couldn't get Caprices anymore.
Not quite. I sold four of them over the course of year, all special ordered for businessmen or professors in their sixties. One of them was a notable architect who had done some really neat buildings over the years.
Probably the last time anyone told the truth up the chain at Ford. No sarc.
6. Audi understeer.
7. Porsche 911 oversteer.
8. Wagons are cool.
BROWN DIESEL MANUAL wagons, that no one with working synapses would actually buy.
Oh please, the fetish for manual wagons of any kind is so stupid. You really want a 15 year old BMW wagon so you can change gears on your way to Home Depot? really?
Ahem.
84 LeSabre with a tow truck dually rear end, a 572 crate and a T-56.
i request multiple servings of whatever inspired that idea for a vehicle
Mustard greens and possum innards.
It was part of my "Build A Tow Truck Out Of Anything!" fever dream.
I think I need professional help.
you, sir, are a hero. and you must provide photos.
Let's hope the commenter who drives a 22 year old manual BMW wagon to Home Depot doesn't see this!
Hah, I just sold an E91 with a ZF for about $10,000 less than if it had a manual. There are actually people swapping transmissions in these.
The only good kind of tranny swap in today's world.
I gotta look that up. My daily driver is an automatic 2007 E91. Luckily I have a great German mechanic over here in Hooterville.
I had it on a road trip this weekend and the 2.8 liter inline-6 is just great on the highway.
I saw it. LOL. For the record, I only go to Home Depot after going to the local TrueValue, ACE, and Lowes first...
I'm a Menards man myself. Often hum the tune in the shower.
Don’t understand the hate here. Why wouldn’t I want a nice driving practical car? It’s no different than a BMW sedan except having more cargo capacity.
I LOVE wagons!
Don't care WHO makes them.
Now, now, the rear suspensions are often different, and not in a good way! :)
I wager for anything up to 8/10ths driving it doesn't matter.
In the early ‘90s, I had a 10 year old Volvo 240 wagon, manual, vinyl seats, no a/c. Nice, had ipd sway bars and Tokiko shocks, so it handled ok enough to autocross, but it was slow. Liked it, but not enough to ever get another one. Don’t understand the current view of them...
As the owner of two e46s (sedan and wagon) that are used for daily driver duty, the wagon is super handy for hauling stuff and it drives no different from the sedan. Subjectively I think the wagon is a better looking car.
A hauler that hauls!
I don't think this is subjective.
I reckon it's something to do with the long clean line of the roof. I've always hoped Sajeev would write an article explaining the principles.
I never understood the brown and diesel bullet points, beyond being purposefully contrarian. Regular 3-series wagons don't do anything for me, either, but if I were shopping E63s, the wagon would have most of my attention. On the off chance I ever live in Europe, a V10 manual M5 longroof with the most extended coverage I can find will be at the top of my shopping list next to a TVR Sagaris, too.
When you grew up collecting baseball cards, wagons check a lot of the same boxes that made some cards more desirable than others. The rarity makes fast wagons a lot more interesting than their run-of-the-mill sedan counterparts - the reverse would be true if wagons were the decades-ling go-to ride of rich non-car guys that just walk into the Bimmer showroom and select the most expensive one.
Diesel is the ultimate fuel. Torque in all the right places like an ev and the convenience of internal combustion. Greater range than petrol and less carbon too. Just a bit of a shame about the babies that die from the nitrous oxides☹️
Soot is the real killer. Getting rid of that is tricky, and goes some way to explain all the exhaust treatments for diesels.
I think the idea is a sort of shorthand complaint about the NHTSA interfering in the availability of certain cars here in America.
Only if it's French and especially if it's a Citroen.
Oh ho ho!
uh, yes. :-)
MB 300D wagon creamsicle brown.
BOSS WAGON!
Don't forget MB-Tex seating surfaces. "NO, IT'S NOT VINYL!!!! APOLOGIZE!!!!"
Aren't creamsicles orange?
Just creamy brown, like soft serve chocolate.
Wait, didn't David E have a Mercedes wagon in dark bronze he salivated over in print?
What, was he getting kickbacks from Mercedes too?
The BOSS WAGON, which was a gift from Mercedes-Benz, I believe.
If I remember right it was Light Ivory (beige) and DED Jr did quite a bit of damage to it when he hit a console TV that was on a road.
Oooh, I don't remember that story, maybe there was a laps in our subscription. IDK why but just the mention of DED makes me think of Turn your "Hymnal to 2002", changed the automotive direction of my life, and my dad and brother, too
He wrote a few paragraphs and had a picture of the TV at the end of one of his columns I think.
My dad bought a lot of cars based on magazine reviews and previews back then.
Thanks for the diagnosis.
Fortunately the wife has working synapses and I only have 1 bucket of car money.
When I was growing up, so mamy times the conversation could've so easily gone:
"Now what would your mother think of you of she found out what you did?"
"Hell, it was her idea!"
Wife and I love our wagons. She was devastated when I deemed our Royal Indigo Metallic 2002 Mercedes E320 wagon unrepairable due to cascading electrical issues. Still drove great at 437k miles, but it’s easier to tell you what worked than what didn’t - instrument cluster, radio, headlights. I shut her up upon finding our Fusion Blue 2006 Saab 9-5 SportCombi.
Wagons just seem to meet all my needs. More nimble than an SUV as well. But I will agree that they’re fetishized for the sake of style, and I can’t really explain why I’m disgusted with that.
Don't forget when It comes to sports cars the latest version is always docile and easily controlled at the limit while the previous model was a handful and always has been just don't read the reviews from when it came out that mention nothing of the sort.
Regarding #1, which applies to a lot of journalism in general: When Tom Wolfe died, I wanted to do a piece on how much he influenced automotive writing (if anything is seminal, The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby is) particularly at Car & Driver. When I asked Don Sherman about it he said something to the effect of "Wait. Were you hanging out in the C&D offices back then? Immeasurable."
I mean that, btw, in a good sense. I don't know if Jack would agree with me, but he puts a lot of himself up front in his writing and I think you can draw a line between that and TTFSB. Just because the facts need to be objective doesn't mean the craft of writing about them can't be subjective.
Sherman is an astounding human being and should have been running Road&Track or C/D from about 2000 to about right now.
(Folx - he means Don Sherman and not “me”)
I wouldn't let you edit a fuckin' snack shop menu.
Please take that with love.
Verbosity is the signifier non-pareil of intelligence, right?
I suppose I could copy edit fairly well; that it actually a significant portion of the junior banking toolkit (and virtually every day is “deadline”).
You should apply to be the copy-editor at C/D. Give you a chance to earn in a year what would otherwise take you a week.
And brevity is the soul of wit! No wonder I ain’t funny! 🙄
The firing of Sherman as editor was the beginning of the end for Car and Driver. It's understandable that he could not have survived in a corporate environment, because he doesn't suffer fools, and he says exactly what's on his mind. I honestly believe that, as different a character as he was from David, he could have kept the spirit of Car and Drivetrain alive. Jeanes is a nice and decent man, and definitely much better at dealing with the corporate overlords, but probably lacking the fight in him to keep the old counter culture spirit alive.
"The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby"
This is the best title for anything. I love it.
Obviously I enjoy and subscribe, but it was a little too personal I'm the early TTAC days.
I am a big fan of the balance his writing has struck for the last decade.
In my defense, we weren't getting paid for anything and we weren't really sure there was even an audience out there. It was like doing stand-up comedy during the week.
I remember reading an article about some economy car where the PR shill talked about its "classic front-wheel drive proportions." I clicked off it and never went back. I can't say exactly what it is about that phrase that bothered me so much, but even just typing it as an example makes me feel like I'm about to break out in hives.
Was he talking about the 1966 Toro or the 1974 Civic?
If only one of those was the case!
I’d like to think it was a Cord L-29 where part of the suspension does double duty as the front bumper.
Would you like "understeer at the limit" with that?
Only if it falls readily to hand.
Like an original Mini?
Whatever that guy's smoking, it's top shelf.
Hear, Hear!
Hahahaha. I was bracing myself to find out where I'd land on the spectrum of this article as both a photographer AND one of those despised art directors.... I must have done something right. Glad to see you appreciate(d) me even though two of my former employers failed to.
And for the record, we got plenty of driving in on that trip to the Alps!
More than I wanted, what with having 3 broken ribs and a fractured right arm!
I still tell the story of the terrifying German snack shop proprietor across the street from the Goldfinger hotel.
The hairpin hotel on Furka? Check this out! Plus you can see your weirdo's shop out one of the windows. But man this story is sad. I'm only half way through hand wanted to share before I forget. But you will want to read this if you like that area. Fascinating history I never really understood. https://www.nzz.ch/english/why-the-famous-belvedere-hotel-at-furka-pass-may-close-forever-ld.1696737
What a great (and sad) story! Thank you for sharing it.
Thanks, Bill! That’s an amazing story. And puts to rest my fantasy of being the fool who resurrects that hotel.
That Camaro at the "Thermal Club"? Where next year IndyCar is going to have a non points something, on a track where there will be almost nobody in attendance? Stupidest plucking thing I've ever heard.
I take that back. Doing the same in Argentina and then having to transport Callum Ilott's body back to Britian because the Argentines have hurt feelz will be worse.
Thermal Club is three trash racetracks in one!
So's the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WdEnsHn9Gw&ab_channel=JessicaHartell
I love the mountain section! It always seems to rain when I go through and it's usually the middle of the night with no traffic. love that section.
I had a metal ramp come out of a steel deck trailer on the PA Turnpike one night. Didn't realize it until 200 miles later.
Why is it trash? The layout looks a bit odd but I'm not sure if that would make it "bad".
They had a wide open desert to lay out the tracks and yet there is something to hit at EVERY fast corner.
You're right, that is trash.
I should apply as a track designer.
I use photos and their captions to include information that would otherwise interrupt the narrative flow. Also, vintage photos and advertising can add a lot of to a piece.
Bingo. When I write articles, the captions for the photos are the most fun and add to the article. For my book, I think I had 25K words in captions alone and they were a lot of fun to write and didn't duplicate the main text of the work.
Just last week I added some photos and ads to an article that my editor had already edited.
And you have an editor!! I find my technique of writing for publications and and websites so obscure that they don't have the budget for a real editor, or they're just thankful for someone that can string two sentences together writes for them, usually results in no, or very little, editing of my original drafts :).
" I’ve never taken a single photo that anyone thought was any good. So how much could my opinion possibly matter, anyway?" you don't need to be able to cook in order to tell if a meal is good or bad.
True. I mean, I don't have a vagina, but I have opinions about them.
John Meyer says he still hasn't found one that's special, but that hasn't apparently stopped him from looking.
It's out there and will rock your world .
-Nate
I didn't say that I agreed with Meyer. I've been fairly pleased with most of those that I've encountered.
That reminds me of a joke, but you'll have to fill in the blanks. I'll give you some hints. The first might raise an eyebrow in mixed company, unless you're a female doing standup comedy. The second will get you completely excommunicated from polite society, well, unless you're British. In America it's radioactive.
A 12 year old boy asks his father, "Dad, what's the difference between a ____ and a ____?"
Dad tells him to go get the magazine he keeps stashed behind the toilet. Kid gets the magazine.
"Now see that pink slit with the fur around it?" (It was an older magazine, and an even older joke).
"Yeah, dad."
"Well that's a ____. Everything else in the picture is a ____"
=8-) .
-Nate
You might not be good at taking pictures of machines. Inanimate objects. Every try the human element. Like get a super wide lens and try to capture the feel of a bunch of fiends working on a race car together? I bet you would be really good. Try it next time youre not under time pressure and are prepping cars. like your cat photos dude. Ohhh... maybe that's your jam. Kittens, Cars, and Cougars.
Full disclosure: I was one of those art directors who lived by the "photos or it didn't happen" law. Which is to a large degree what Jack is complaining about—but it is the reason the two of us would be on a location.
It didn't help that we worked for some of the most deeply insecure people in America, at least one of whom is probably doing a bit of roleplay tonight where he pretends to be you and a warm meatloaf in a Nalgene bottle stands in for someone else we know.
That's why you don't REALLY want X-ray vision.
What? Huh? Do that on Only Fans and they would probably drop you and call the cops. Unless I am completely missing something, that's something I never want to see.
I'm picturing Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet with a oxygen mask on, not hooked up to anything, degrading Isabella Rossellini, while I believe Kyle MacLachlan is watching in a closet.
It's a reference to the fact that one of my valued subscribers managed to hook up with someone who was permanently beyond the reach of the other person being discussed.
I'm thinking of a meat filled Fleshlight. Yeah, I know.......
A vendor at the harmonica convention was selling a harmonica disinfecting chamber that looked so much like a Fleshlight that people couldn't walk by without laughing. Here's another one. https://www.thomann.de/prodbilder/512064.jpg
Soooo can we discuss the harmonica convention? What does it sound like the convention hall? I'm picturing the South Park recorder episode! and now I kind of want to go! also that is a flesh light!
That made my day and it's only 8:20 AM.
Never seen that movie, and now I never want to.
Hollywood filmmakers are horrible, disgusting human beings.
Why would anyone molest a perfectly good piece of meatloaf?
I dunno. Ask Alex Portnoy (though I believe he preferred liver).
Is he related to the Barstool sports guy?
Unless Dave is also a fictional character, no.
Speaking of Dave Portnoy, I'm genuinely ambivalent about him. He's a prick and not very book smart, but he's pretty good on the First Amendment, seems to help small businesses, and he's demonstrated how so many journalists are biased hacks today. I just think he's an ass. That's okay, most people probably think that way about me if they don't have a stronger epithet to use. The one that hurt, though, is when my cousin told me that people considered me to be a boor.
One of those small businessmen lives on my route. Drives a G-Wagen and I saw his wife the other day in an SL Roadster. I'm suspicious.
He does know his pizza and is passionate about doing the videos. A few years ago he did a couple of pizza joints in Old Forge PA bordering Scranton. My nephew is from the other side of Scranton.
He was in Philly and sees Portnoy doing a video. Shouts old "Old Forge". Portnoy goes and says "Which One? Store A or Store B"? A year or 2 had passed and Portnoy probably had a 100 or so videos in between.
"The one that hurt, though, is when my cousin told me that people considered me to be a boor."
You have a talent for saying what probably doesn't need to be said out loud, and for running every thread to the end. However, those are also the marks of a talented artist, so whatcha gonna do?
and his sister's bra. (reading that now, as it happens)
Does it hold up? I read it in high school and thought Roth owed Lenny Bruce royalties.
I'm only 40 pages in, so I can't make much of a judgement. I imagine that, at the time (written in 1968), it was quite scandalous, but in this day and age, you can read about jerking off into a piece of liver (or at least a Nalgene bottle packed with meatloaf) on any hack's Substack.
Roth also seems to rely very heavily on the trope of the nagging, worrying Jewish mother and aloof, overworked (and constipated - so much emphasis on that) father. Perhaps he was the first to make such things a feature of literature, and so they were not tropes when he wrote them?