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Thomas Hank's avatar

As your regular purveyor of cheap thrill, white trash hot rods and oft lamented fun machines; I’ve fortunately experience across the board here.

1. The convertible S197 + chassis car is easily the best variant of mustangs ever built, ESPECIALLY from an open air perspective. The suspension is legitimately good, the chassis doesn’t require subframe connectors or external support, and the 8.8 rears come stock with 31 spline axles and carbon clutches.

If purchasing a 4.6 3v car I HIGHLY recommend a 2009 if you want the early body style. The 09 is a standalone year for cylinder head changes that include cam follower upgrades and do NOT require a 2 piece spark plug. They also have the best drive by wire system. I cannot remember if they got the internal changes that the bullit received, but the 10 cars did. This includes beefier connecting rods and a special intake manifold. The upper end of the safe limit on a blown 3v is approximately 460rwhp. The Bullit and 10 cars can sustain 500.

Caveats being cam phasers on all. A perk is both 3v models use a 3550 transmission that although not as aggressively geared, is actually superior to the MT82.

The trunk opening is rather small given the available space. The rear seats don’t fold.

I had a coupe making 462rwhp with an intercooled v3 Si on a measly 8.5 psi. The 3v at the time made the most power per psi of any modular. I lived around the cars for years. They can easily be made into killer track weapons for any arena. Get a vented hood and or pull the weatherstrip if going very fast. Leave your grills unaltered. Stock clutches won’t take boost. PD > centrifugal if doing it again with the lower imposed redlines.

2. C6... Oh down the corvette rabbit hole I have fallen. I’ve owned a c5 coupe for over 10 years now, coming after selling said 3v and a brief stint with an 02 WS6 (wish I’d kept). At the time there were only c5 and c6 available and I greatly preferred the feel of the c5 and lamented the c6 interior and their Malibu / Cobalt feel. That said but what you like. Underneath they are literally near identical with around a 75% direct carryover in the early cars.

Skipping the c5 garble (buy an 01-03 only); the Ls3 - 2008 + c6 is absolutely the one to purchase. I wouldn’t be allowed to be swayed otherwise. You’ll also benefit from the tr6060. A z51 or GS will get you c5z styled gearing. This is great n/a and not so much with a power adder, so keep an end goal in mind.

All GS manual cars are dry sump and offer the much needed trans coolers that that c6z shares.

It is fairly easy to make @450 whp with a cam only ls3. Yes you can make more, 500 with ported heads but the super aggressive cams aren’t valve train friendly over time. The LS3 is still the best LS to build from in terms of boost or general longevity without getting into ls7 pitfalls.

The stock clutches and hydraulics are trash. Get a GOOD twin disc. That alone will keep fluids cleaner.

As noted you can make them into anything. With boost they will crush 600whp without haste. They still suffer from thinner ring lands and since mine just ate the #7 I’d take that slope with a grain of caution. A measly cammed and stock headed 03 LS1, I was making 642rwhp - it’s a lot. Probably too much for general street use despite what the internet says.

A very basic ls3 car with good cooling mods / suspension/ brakes would be near ultimate from a metrics standpoint.

Large and useful trunk and comically sized storage in the coupes. Can’t take your kid.

Steering and feedback is rather numb. Grip is there. Cars are super soft and grandpa friendly stock.

3. NC. I’ve only piloted a lightly modified NC PRHT with some Flyin’ goodies - I REALLY should have purchased that car in retrospect. It was noticeably roomier than my NB and bigger person friendly.

My NB had a FM II suspension beneath with a handful of bracing, bars, big rubber and decent brakes. It also wore an intercooled JRSC m45 with the ‘high boost’ pulley configuration. It was SO. MUCH. FUN. At @200whp it was a lower/mid 13 second car that was constant smiles. The feedback and the noises along with the ability to wring it out at will without dying or being instantly arrested with a 5 star GTA wanted level made it a wonderful street car.

The chassis was NOT great. This is where a blown NC would really shine. Phenomenal feedback, ability to make more power and far more robust driveline.

Cons - every Miata joke ever. Pride parades, limited storage, hot trunk (maybe not in an NC?) and no room for kids.

Super duper reliable fun if you can make it work for you and much lighter on the wallet. I am very heavily leaning towards a WHITE NC club with forced induction as a next toy; pending an ND doesn’t do it or I buy an s/c’d Elise. Sidenote: I drove my NB back to back with an Exige and actually preferred the Miata. Crazy talk I know.

4. Buy a Viper. Reasons: Yes.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Jack, you appear to have overlooked the time that Butterfinger BB had a health scare on his flight and became committed to a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, or at least performatively so on Twitter. That ended swiftly.

As for the $30K car question … I think the E9X M3 platform is the way to go here, irrespective of whether you owned one beforehand! The B7 RS4 is a karaoke version of the contemporary M3, so that would be a disappointment (they are rarer, however).

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