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Robert Farago's avatar

Arrogance and ignorance are the peanut butter and jelly of small minds.

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Thomas Kreutzer's avatar

Perhaps, but they're probably still better on bread.

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Joshua Fromer's avatar

Well it’s clear that Johnny has both

metaphorically and literally consumed a lot of peanut butter and jelly.

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kamguy's avatar

I let my arrogance think I came up the with “Insecure Egomaniac” deal after dealing with my old girlfriends dad. Man I'm ignorant

Kinda like our boy Jonny

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Nick H's avatar

OUAN, when can we get some more sweet, sweet truth about watches? I got a bonus coming I need to blow!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I think Mr. Farago is frying bigger fish right now!

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Thomas Brick's avatar

Italian fish...

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

For clarification, I ain’t no fortunate son. I am a humble, hardscrabble hillbilly with highfalutin tastes.

On the other hand, my bête noire - commentator “Adam Diamond” - is a nepo baby par excellence! He has finally, on the cusp of turning 35 years old, left the family firm and gotten a real, honest job.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I hear he is scandalizing the clan with the operation of a NASCAR

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

It is exceedingly déclassé.

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Chuck S's avatar

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no no no...

sorry. I had to.

carry on.

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Will's avatar

The hillbilly bit died at W&L

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I retain dual citizenship between my Appalachian aerie and Buckhood in Atlanta.

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Ice Age's avatar

"If you started carrying two sets of ID since you were Born Again, you might be a redneck."

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I am resolutely NOT a redneck, or a hick for that matter.

I am a hillbilly, which is a separate and distinct subculture.

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Ice Age's avatar

Okay, so how does the social ladder work? Who's at the bottom?

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Probably hillbillies - fewer opportunities for economic advancement.

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Eric L.'s avatar

But you don't dispute being portly.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I am a realist.

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Andy's avatar

Had you pegged as one of those Peleton guys who don't eat carbs. Go figure.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Nah.

I have to give my detractors something on which to stand!

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Amazing article on the fellow, Jon Staudacher, who made the motorcycle-powered "Staudacher" that apparently can best Jack's SR8:

https://www.secondwavemedia.com/baycity/features/jon-staudacher-feature.aspx

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Jesse Butler's avatar

I just want to say, I have an extremely high tolerance for watching you repeatedly keelhaul a fool. It is endlessly entertaining and I hope it never ends. Maybe this will be the one time Jonny admits he’s wrong, as his argument isn’t even debatable.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

I'd subscribe to an additional Substack that does exactly that.

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Edwin in Tampa's avatar

Seconded! I’d sign up for that in a second.

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Mikal's avatar

Through poor willpower and a complete disregard of my character, fuck it we ball, I mean count me in.

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kamguy's avatar

Having been an avid reader of car magazines since the 70s I enjoy the mudslinging about these people I’m familiar with. It’s fun to hear the behind-the-scenes stuff. You must have some Jean Lindamood Jennings stories

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I have a couple, yes!

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unsafe release's avatar

I used to enjoy her writing in C&D when I was a teenager. I see that she’s still at it, but haven’t read anything recently.

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S2kChris's avatar

I’m an accountant, which is because I’m not that good at math beyond adding.

But what I am good at is understanding “does this make sense?” It’s something I had pounded into my brain as a kid, and I now pound into my kids’ brains, as well as occasionally my employees’ or coworkers’.

Just take a step back and use your noodle. Does the answer make any sense? Does it make sense you calculated profit at 3x revenue? Does it make sense OPEX is 40x last month’s spend? Does your math homework asking how many days to travel from A to B make sense if the answer is 7,000?

And same here. If you know anything at all about cars, the answer to “does a street car make more downforce than a race car” is blatantly obvious, unless there’s a rule limiting downforce on the race car making the statistic irrelevant anyways.

Just step back and fucking THINK. Jesus.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

But a GT3RS is basically a race car!

To an autowriter who can't really drive either.

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snavehtrebor's avatar

I am hereby nominating "Just step back and fucking THINK." for the upcoming AC t-shirt shop.

I remember one time in high school our Physics "teacher" created a problem for us to solve that involved an Evel Knievel-style Grand Canyon jump. She gave us the ramp and the distance and asked us to calculate the motovelocity required for him to clear it. Which worked out to about 2000mph. Pro tip: laughing at your "teacher" in front of the class will cause your afternoon to get suddenly booked.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Good on you for doing the math -- and that's another example of "anyone who has ever jumped a motorcycle would immediately recognize the implausibility."

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CLN's avatar

Another pro tip for dealing with physics teachers...don’t tell them it’s ok for you to put your feet on your desk just because his favorite student is doing it.

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snavehtrebor's avatar

Careful, S2KChris, you're going to get flagged as a Covid skeptic...

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Shortest Circuit's avatar

I remember my calculus teacher consoled us after a pretty horrid exam that "most of you'll only ever use addition (bills) subtraction (wage-bills) and modulo division (for how many beers do I have money left)"

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danio's avatar

Most won't even understand that. They'll go on to post incessantly on social media "WHY DONT SCHOOLS TEACH PERSONAL FINANCE AND TAXES???"

You fucking idiots. They did. They fucking did. You morons.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

By the time our final in calculus rolled around, all of us had been accepted to pretty much the colleges of our choices so it was sort of a formality. Our teacher, Mrs. Adelman, whose son Bruce was in our class, created a test with the same number of problems as students in the class and they were harder than any we had experienced during the course. Fair in that we'd covered the material but very hard. It was a take-home test handed out on a Friday with the rule that we weren't supposed to work together on it. Of course she knew we'd get together for a study session over the weekend, maybe two, so to make sure we knew the answers ourselves, when we got to class on Monday we had to draw a number out of a hat and go up to the board and solve whatever problem we drew. We spent all day on Saturday at one of the kids' houses going over every problem until everyone knew the solutions. Then we had Sunday to review and test ourselves. On Monday everyone did fine except for one of the kids had a classic brain freeze when he went up to the board. We were all kind of rooting him on because we'd seen him work out the problem during the study session but I don't think he ever got his brain in gear.

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danio's avatar

Thats why you're the accountant, bro! You get this stuff!

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John Van Stry's avatar

As an engineer I have spent far too much of my life involved with numbers. It's easy - sometimes - to make a stupid mistake when making a glib comment. But then you take a step back and look at it and wonder how you could have been so dumb.

But when you're doing something for work, or for research, or debate?

Then you sit back and run the numbers a couple of times using different methods as a check, because being wrong then costs a lot more.

The biggest problem I see is that politicians are all lawyers, and lawyers have shit all for an education. They don't study anything harder than basket weaving in most prelaw degree courses and they NEVER study math or science. People think that are congress critters and senators are smart people.

No, they're just charismatic. None of them can count past ten without taking off their shoes.

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98horn's avatar

I am a lawyer with a chemistry degree. Most politicians don’t have the chops to practice law, which is why they go easy mode by engaging in politics.

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MaintenanceCosts's avatar

There are lawyers and then there are lawyers with serious fluency in technical areas of law. Inside any big practice group at a law firm, there's always the one person that people call when things get complicated. Being that person is not a good way to make a lot of money, but it's a good way to be totally insulated from the usual annoyances and pressures of the law firm environment, because everyone knows you're indispensable.

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Adam 12's avatar

There are fewer lawyers in the legislatures than ever before which is why they pass more laws which fail constitutional review and are subject to challenge, accidentally try to establish a state religion, or just take the the legal agenda of a PAC and put it in as a bill without hitting control F and changing the name of the state it was mutually introduced in to their state before submitting. Truly horrendous.

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John Van Stry's avatar

That I can believe

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Colin's avatar

Fight fight FIGHT!!

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Amelius Moss's avatar

I tried to listen to the congressional hearing where Tik Tok CEO Shou Zi Chew was raked over the coals by both parties but for different reasons. After the first 30 minutes I had to switch to music to calm myself down. The incompetence on display by our leadership was genuinely embarrassing. Listening to our elected representatives stumble and stutter reading questions prepared by their staffs; many of them had zero comprehension of what they were asking. How can we have a democracy while we only elect the worst and the dumbest?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Feature, not a bug; makes them more malleable by the people who pay for their elections.

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Bryce's avatar

The smartest in Congress (Thomas Massie comes to mind) share the unique distinction of pissing EVERYONE (the uniparty and its donors) off by actually thinking. Not great for longevity, as it makes you rich for a primary.

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Todd Zuercher's avatar

Massie's obviously very smart, but he also appears to be an arrogant a-hole.

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Scott A's avatar

As I approach middle age, I'm starting to think democracy is a giant failure. I'm not smart enough to offer remedies but something has to work better than this.

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John Van Stry's avatar

Democracy is ALWAYS a failure. That's why we don't live in one. We live in a Republic.

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Adam 12's avatar

Absolutely true. But so far the best of the rest.

Always reminds me of the skit in Holy Grail. I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

King of the who?

King of the Briton’s.

Who are the Britons?

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Ice Age's avatar

"I didn't know we had a king. I though we were an autonomous collective."

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Adam 12's avatar

So good.

I’m being repressed, I’m being repressed.

Look at the violence inherent in the system.

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Ice Age's avatar

"Democracy was a Greek drollery."

- King Charles I, "Cromwell."

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Scott A's avatar

I was using the general "democracy" to cover all of the western countries that pretend our votes count. I'm not well read up on Europe or even Canada to know what the heck they do different than us.

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unsafe release's avatar

Doesn’t matter, it’s a clusterfuck wherever you go. Canada is being led by a drama teacher with great hair that has been caught on camera in blackface not once, not twice, but three separate times. The only thing he does well is apologize for the past sins of our white forebears. Backing him up as deputy prime minister is a frantically nodding yes-woman who doubles as finance minister with zero qualifications in that field but a masters in Slavonic studies. WTF

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Adam 12's avatar

If you were elected that would be a good start to salving the problem.

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Colin's avatar

There are serious advantages to Machiavellian rule.

Still prefer this republic. But.

It’s getting harder.

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John Van Stry's avatar

That's because we're going from a constitutional republic to an oligarchy. We may exist as a democracy in between that for a decade or two, hard to say. But every since the got rid of civics and stopped teaching kids how our government works, it's been all downhill.

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Shaiyan Hossain's avatar

I stopped using TikTok a while back but listening to that hearing for 5 minutes made me furious

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Ice Age's avatar

There are, it seems, two types of people who go into politics, and they're both sociopaths.

The first is the aforementioned lawyers, who are trained to baffle 'em with bullshit and twist words until they're warped beyond recognition. The second is businessmen, who've gotten rich by compromising and negotiating and never holding the line on any values they might have.

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MD Streeter's avatar

re: lawyers: Richard Gere tap dancing in the courtroom in the Chicago movie 20 years ago popped into my head.

EDIT: At least I was entertained.

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Mozzie's avatar

I thought of that exact same scene reading the comment.

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Ice Age's avatar

I'll see your Gere and raise you a Pesci.

"...the two youts..."

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Alan's avatar

The two hwhat?

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Dave Ryan's avatar

I’m the only thing left that it’s ok to bash: a straight white male boomer with a law degree (who worked in financial services for almost 40 years).

Never a good idea to paint with such a broad brush. Not that I’m offended; I don’t give a shit.

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John Van Stry's avatar

I was aiming at the ones who run for office with the comment, I should have made that part clearer.

As for lawyers, the rule is: Have they ever tried a case before a jury? That's the litmus test.

Oh, and as mentioned above, I have 5 of them. Used to be 6, but one retired.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Understood. Trust me; plenty of my fellow JDs make it very hard to be proud of that accomplishment. Our society is so ridiculously litigious, ambulance chasers on TV…

Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe.

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Ice Age's avatar

"What happens if you lose my case?"

"Then I get nothing."

"What happens if you win?"

"Then YOU get nothing."

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I suppose it depends on what kind of lawyering that you need done. Not every legal task requires a skilled litigator and not every skilled litigator has the other skills needed to do all legal work. I suppose it might help to have someone who has defended their position in a court but is that really necessary for drawing up contracts, negotiating, or doing real estate and title law?

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John Van Stry's avatar

YES! Oh YES! NEVER EVER do contracts with a lawyer who hasn't defended said contracts in front of a jury. It makes a HELL of a difference. Learned this from a friend of mine who dealt with a lot of lawyers and a lot of court cases and as I started having to deal with more and more legal issues I learned it as well.

There's a lot more to law than logic and making an argument. There's the presentation and yes, the performance aspects as well. The courtroom is a theater and 'surprise' witnesses are always well coached and if at all possible actors to boot.

You need an attorney who is used to dealing with said shenanigans. You need an attorney with balls, experience, and foresight. You do not want someone who'll choke when opposing council pulls out something he's not allowed to, but the judge still allows it. (and yes, I've had this happen to me).

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Scott A's avatar

As an accountant, i interact with a lot of lawyers. Lots of them are very good but it’s always amusing to me when i get a new client whith a ridiculously complex operating agreement and the giy goes “my lawyers say this is the best” well, it is if you make 5mm a year but for you it’s extreme overkill

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Mike's avatar

All white hetrosexual males of any age are fodder for the cannons. Boomers of any occupation just sit at the top of the list.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Yes we do! It’s fine.

As you can tell by my name; I have Irish heritage, too. Another reason for attacks! Those Irish stereotypes really piss me off! The next time I hear one I might put down my beer and punch someone.

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Mike's avatar

Bro, you are wating the head on a beer to worry about that.

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98horn's avatar

John Van Stry writes “None of them can count past ten without taking off their shoes.” Counterpoint: you should see how quickly we can calculate attorney’s fees, and with our shoes on.

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Ice Age's avatar

When I was a kid, my dad traded his Opel Manta for an MGB, and had the MG's former owner, a guy with a Scottish brogue so thick you couldn't understand him, maintain it for him.

He sounded like a Glaswegian soccer hooligan until it was time to discuss the bill. Then it was all Received Pronunciation straight from the Court of St. James.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Like the scene in The Wire:

"Count wrong, they whip yo ass."

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Scott A's avatar

I used to do inventory for a defense contractor down in Mississippi. They'd have the plant workers do inventory. The plant workers in West Point Mississippi were not the most gifted men with numbers but they could put together and MRAP

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Ice Age's avatar

Being book smart isn't necessarily required to build a tank.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Or drive one well!

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Mike's avatar

It requires a lot of mechanical intelligence to work on an assembly line, book smarts not at all. Although I bet they just didn't give a fuck about inventory and did it half assed because the would rather build MRAPs.

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Scott A's avatar

Blame the idiots in finance for making those guys count.

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98horn's avatar

It’s probably a hinderance. I’ve seen brilliant students who just didn’t “get it” when actually doing their job.

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Alan's avatar

So they're like the opposite of Rain Man, who calculate big numbers in his head, but thought everything cost $100.

Or they're exactly like Ted Baxter, who was stumped by addition until somebody told him to put a dollar sign in front of the number.

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98horn's avatar

So a lawyer is writing a will for an old lady, he completes it, and she pays him with a crisp new 100 dollar bill. As he sits at his desk rubbing the bill between his thumb and forefinger, the bill separates with a crisp shhusshh, and he realizes he has 2 $100 dollar bills in his hand. And now our lawyer friend has an ethical dilemma: does he keep the money for himself, or does he share it with his law partner?

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Heard this one in law school:

A cruise ship full of lawyers sinks in shark infested waters; yet everyone manages to swim to shore. Why?

Professional courtesy.

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98horn's avatar

My favorite story is from federal evidence, which was taught by the very distinguished dean of our law school. Older gent, bald, handsome, sophisticated, Saville row tailored three piece suit. He says, the first day of class: “I need all your help. You must keep my secret. Please don’t tell my mother I’m a lawyer; she thinks I play piano in a whorehouse.”

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Todd Zuercher's avatar

My lobbyist friend always says that same line, except he inserts lobbyist for lawyer.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

(Rimshot!)

He sounds like a great guy. What a fantastic way to break the ice and humanize himself.

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Scott A's avatar

I need to do some estate planning. I wish it was $200!

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98horn's avatar

Well it *is* a very old joke.

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Scott A's avatar

Some of the smartest people I know are lawyers. Some of the dumbest people I know are also lawyers.

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John Van Stry's avatar

I have 5 lawyers. One of which is in the EU. I know all about that.

But the ones who run for office? They're not the brightest...

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Bryce's avatar

Most of them (McConnell, Biden etc) had incredibly mediocre and short legal careers or just never practiced at all. You don’t see, like, the appellate chair at a BigLaw firm (or a distinguished lawyer at a big firm in one of the smaller states like AL, WV) making a run for office.

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Chuck S's avatar

I'm not an engineer; I earn my living with words, but I apply the same rule with editing: take the time to check. If I've got even the slightest question, I'll double-check the dictionary or the appropriate stylebook to make absolutely sure I'm correct before making an edit or suggestion. I live in fear of some Inigo Montoya telling me a word does not mean what I think it means what I think it does. As an earlier posted noted, I can in most cases avoid that by taking a moment to just step back and fucking think.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

It's hard to edit your own material because you read what you wanted to say, not what you actually put down, but also not every editor is perfect. One of my editors, who shall remain unnamed, was a pretty good writer but he once used "nadir" when he meant something more like "apex" or "apogee".

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98horn's avatar

Oh Yes! Thank you for putting into words what I know to be true. I live in fear of writing without an editor, but that’s the reality of my job.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

If it was me, I'm certain I had my reasons!

However, I did snap at you once for writing "lede" in an email; I was so drunk I thought you had misspelled "lead"

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

It annoys me to spell lead as "led", as in "he lead the team", but I worry that today's readers will get confused if I don't. "Led" would have gotten me a red check mark if I used it in K-9.

It wasn't you. It was someone who might have been my son in law today if he hadn't made a barely suggestive joke to my daughter that she took way too seriously.

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S2kChris's avatar

The Ivy League-educated divisional CEO I used to work for would flag “lead” annd have me change it to “led” every month when I’d write his executive summary for the board. I never knew if he was trying avoid appearing ignorant or actually was.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Oh. I know that fellow!

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Ice Age's avatar

Scott Adams once wrote that "leader" derived from "lead," the material bullets were made from, because the guy in charge was the one everybody wanted to shoot.

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Mike's avatar

Had a lawyer teach me statistics in community college. He understood the material and used it as a lawyer. I do wonder whether his being a part-time community college instructor was because he enjoyed to teaching or needed money to fund his law practice but he was very intelligent for a community college instructor and unfortunately this was the ony class where I failed to recieve an A.

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Andy's avatar

Bullshit on that buddy. Lots of lawyers who get math. Try to litigate patent law, antitrust or anything using regression analysis. What you mean there are a lot of crap lawyers don't don't know anything including math. They don't do very well.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

It's true that many lawyers worshipped the mighty GPA and weren't willing to risk getting less than an A in a math or science course but not quite all lawyers or all politicians are complete dolts. Some of the patent attorneys that I've met have engineering degrees. Rand Paul is still licensed to practice medicine as far as I know and Thomas Massie has a couple of engineering degrees from MIT. On the other hand, Debbie Stabenow seems like a nice lady and has enough ambition to be in the Senate but isn't much brighter than a 5W incandescent light bulb.

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98horn's avatar

Every Patent Attorney must have a science or engineering degree. It is required to be registered with the USPTO.

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Ice Age's avatar

Was that before or after they dropped the requirement to submit a working prototype with each application?

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98horn's avatar

Working prototypes are well before my time, and I am a grey haired old man. Always been a requirement as far as I know. You can prove you have qualifing coursework equal to an engineering or science degree, but I don’t know of anyone who’s successfully gone that route.

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bluebarchetta's avatar

Adrian Newey...what a legend. CTO at Red Bull, and 40 years ago we had him in Hilliard working for Truesports. "Give me Adrian Newey and he’ll design the best race car and we won’t need the best driver to win." - Bobby Rahal

I'm ashamed to admit I don't think nearly as hard as I used to. I remember being concerned about climate change when my son was born about 20 years ago and crunching a lot of numbers and concluding that the world's sea level would probably rise between 6 and 8 inches* during my son's lifetime, and therefore it's nothing to worry about. But the "experts" never shut up, even though all their doomsday predictions were wrong, and now it looks like we'll be eating bugs and riding public transit because of this grossly exaggerated existential danger to humanity.

*Your mother made me rise between 6 and 8 inches last night, Trebek!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

That's good, because Bobby was far from the best driver! He was my dad's neighbor-ish in Muirfield, however.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Newey's book, How To Build A Car, is pretty good.

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Ice Age's avatar

That reminds me of how Patrick Smith, author of "Ask The Pilot," described how when he flew short-haul regional jets, he'd keep a 3-ring binder with the words "How To Fly" written in crayon on the cover, in the cockpit.

These planes apparently had curtains instead of doors on the cockpit, so he'd get this binder out in view of the passengers if one of them was being a dick.

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bluebarchetta's avatar

Sounds like I need to order that.

More stupid me: I have to carefully consider whether to spend $35 on a hardback book containing a brilliant man's lessons learned from his life's work - knowledge I will have access to for the rest of my life, and then my son will have it - but I don't hesitate to spend $200 on a fresh-fish dinner for four in a beach town that will be feces in a sewer system 36 hours later.

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Erik's avatar

To be anal, the 150 mph Corvette was the 1985 with 230 hp. The Cross Fire was good for 140 mph. The ZR-1 top speed varied between 172-180 mph, which is a huge difference for no real mechanical changes.

Btw, I think I once said I don't give a damn, or something like that, about Lieberman. But, while I don't care about him personally, I also really enjoy your articles about him and the car mag industry in general.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"To be anal, the 150 mph Corvette was the 1985 with 230 hp."

I believe you're correct in terms of magazine tested performance; C/D got 142 from the Cross-Fire, but I seem to recall that GM claimed 150. Maybe they just drew a good one.

The Camaro didn't hit 150mph until the IROC-Z 350, right?

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Erik's avatar

The 150 mph claim was for 1985. They handed out "Life Begins at 150 mph" t shirts and hats at the 1985 intro.

GM did do a lot of work updating the C4 from year to year. Oddly, when Porsche does that with the 911, it's a good thing. When GM does it, then it's an example of poor GM engineering.

And yes, I do own a 1990 ZR-1. It's funny, I'm kind of a Corvette guy, but I don't like the typical Corvette type folks. You don't see me at a Corvette club event or anything. Just sayin.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"The 150 mph claim was for 1985. They handed out "Life Begins at 150 mph" t shirts and hats at the 1985 intro."

I feel so stupid. I remember that as being for the Camaro, but OF COURSE they would have done it for the 'Vette first.

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Erik's avatar

They did it again for the ZR-1 in 1990. Of course, then it was "Life Begins at 180".

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Gary Zucker's avatar

The coolest vette’s have 2 cams ;)

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Josh Howard's avatar

It was definitely north of 140. Though, I gotta say... how the F long was the straight stretch or test track where they could get to north of even 130??? Crossfire feels so breathless above 120ish.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Is the variation between the 1990 car and the 91+? The C4 was refreshed for 91 and things were smoothed out a bit.

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Josh Howard's avatar

The 91 car had the smoother nose with flush turn signals. It's aero was improved a great deal which helped. L98 engine was carried over, but it is possible there was a slight gear or trans change. Can't remember.

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MD Streeter's avatar

I really like that design, the 91 refresh. If I was serious about getting a real sporty car, the end-of-life C4 would be near the top of my list.

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Josh Howard's avatar

I love the early rear end but the late front end. If I was keeping our '84, I'd throw a later nose on it.

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Ice Age's avatar

LT1 T56 C4. Hard to go wrong with that one.

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Erik's avatar

Actually, I don't think the aero changed much. It was more of a mid cycle cosmetic refresh. Top speed tests show no real changes.

I'd say the two best C4s, of the non-ZR1 variety were the 89 (6 speed, new rear suspension, digital dash, original (and best) C4 styling - best C4 sports car) or the 96 (dramatically more refined, OBD2, LT4, better materials - best C4 GT).

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bluebarchetta's avatar

1989 was the first year for the 6sp manual and the last year for the disco dash. I've always wanted one, but I'm a short man with size 10 EEE feet and when I put the seat far enough forward to reach the pedals comfortably, I can hardly get out of the damn thing. It's pretty funny, actually.

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Erik's avatar

I'm 6'4 and wear 13d's. The C4 is oddly the most comfortable tall man's Corvette.

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Josh Howard's avatar

Which is saying something. With a helmet, can still get a bit squeezy.

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Erik's avatar

Yeah, there isn't a ton of room there. But a 911 or 928 of that vintage wasn't better. Actually worse. And year for year, the C4 will outrun them on the track.

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Josh Howard's avatar

The dashes are DEEP compared to what you'd expect. Doubly so having to climb over those stupid side sills.

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Erik's avatar

The sills are all thanks to Lloyd Reuss. A year before production, he decided that the C4 needed to be a proper targa, not just a T Top as the engineers had designed it. That was an awful big piece of structure to lose. The engineers did what they could within time and budget constraints to make up for it, and those stupid high sills were part of that.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It's part of why the C4 feels so REAL RACE CAR to me, though.

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Erik's avatar

The targa top or the flexy structure? :)

The targa top was likely the right choice. However, the timing of the change wasn't. Reuss is known as a car guy. You'd think he'd be engineer enough to understand the magnitude of his request.

The Greenwood brothers spent a lot of time on that structure to actually make it handle and feel good. I wish I could post pictures of what they actually came up with. I'd love to drive one some time. I've heard it referred to as the best handling car of the 90s. John Greenwood was the real deal.

Finally, the Corvette chassis, as designed was actually stiff for its time. It would have been a hell of a car if McLellan and crew were allowed to finish it as planned.

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Henry C.'s avatar

It was a GM ploy to make extra money selling replacements for cracked glass tops.

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Nick H's avatar

Willful ignorance lies at the root of many problems. Happy thoughts from JL and his ilk can't alter physics.

This recent book was well done and worth a read. I've recommended it to a few who think by just eating bugs and driving a Tesla, we'll live in peace and harmony with all the latest tech in the most modern of buildings while magic makes food appear and waste disappear.

https://vaclavsmil.com/2022/03/07/how-the-world-really-works/

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I appreciate the heads-up on this book!

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<WikiBot>

His wife Eva is a physician[4] and his son David is an organic synthetic chemist.

He lives in a house with unusually thick insulation, grows some of his own food, and eats meat roughly once a week.[10] He reads 60 to 110 non-technical books a year and keeps a list of all books he has read since 1969. He "does not intend to have a cell phone ever."[14]

Smil is known for being "intensely private", shunning the press while letting his books speak for themselves.[4] At the University of Manitoba, he only ever showed up at one faculty meeting (since the 1980s). The school accepted his reclusiveness so long as he kept teaching and publishing highly rated books.[4]

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Alan's avatar

I love that whenever you shit on Lieberman, you make it a public post for his enjoyment.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I could put tomorrow's winning lottery numbers in the fourth paragraph and he'd be too stupid to read that far. I don't actually think he reads these!

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Alan's avatar

If he did, he'd be here in the comments whining, as he is wont to do everywhere else.

But the rest of the Car Twitter crowd, along with his wife's, uh, associates are free to partake.

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Josh Cain's avatar

Seems like he does. Matt Farah said on a recent podcast (might have been a Patreon-only one) that Jonny sent him excerpts from your Valkyrie (sp?) piece.

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Power6's avatar

That was a nice payoff to reading...my first thought from the title screenshot was "AT WHAT SPEED??"

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Because you're not an idiot!

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Dave Ryan's avatar

“…it’s not as obvious as the size difference between, say, Kerri Strug and “Lizzo”. And yet the actual difference is more than a gynmast-to-beast relationship…”

I wish I’d said that. And frankly, these little gems are worth the price of admission.

I recently saw a photo of “Lizzo”. As Benny Hill said, “Everyone has a right to be big, but she abuses the privilege.”

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah. I'm 250 pounds and I wouldn't wrestle her if I had ten grams of PCP in my system.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Touching on simpery (or how some guys have no standards at all), we live in an age where SSBBWs (for readers who don't know, Super Sized Big Beautiful Women, we're talking real heifers that put NFL offensive linemen to shame, considering that most most self-professed regular BBWs left beautiful and womanly in the rear view mirror a few pallets of Haagen Dazs ago) post personal ads about being "Pillow Princesses" (for readers who don't know, that's a woman that only wants oral from a guy with no reciprocation of any sort at all and certainly no PIV) and there will still be guys who simp for her.

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Henry C.'s avatar

'Imagine the smell.'

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Dave Ryan's avatar

You were doing so well with acronym and phrase definition— then you stuck “PIV” in with no definition. (Pretty sure I figured it out— fornication. And yes, “stuck ‘PIV’ in” was a word choice done completely for the entertainment of the readers.)

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Sometimes even Ronnie Schreiber is discreet.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Wrestle her, yikes! Seeing that photo was enough! More than enough.

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Ice Age's avatar

Lizzo.

Dear GOD, what a pig.

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S2kChris's avatar

Only tangentially related but my wife and I eagerly watched the Netflix PornHub documentary a couple weeks ago and we’re grossly (in both ways) disappointed to find out the star who get a large (heh) share of the screen time was a BBW model. Emphasis on the first B, sorely lacking in the second.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Had to look up BBW, strikes me as an oxymoron. But, if what I see on TV these days is any indication; I must be in the minority.

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Scott A's avatar

Jack would call it a flex. Popular entertainment is all a rainbow of fat and gay now except for the new marine recruit videos with all heterosexual whites to go die in ukraine

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

See my comment above. The term used to mean ladies like Lanie Kazan, what in Yiddish were called zaftig, which means juicy. A large woman who still has the shape of a woman. I suppose Rubenesque is close. Kazan is in her 80s now, but in 1970, when I was in 11th grade, Playboy did an 8 page spread of her. Magnificent tits that are burned into my memory. The kind with a straight line from her shoulders to her nipples. Something more or less SFW when she was 26: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/utEAAOSw5G1j5S63/s-l1600.jpg

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Dave Ryan's avatar

I actually know what SWF means in this context. I remember from the last time I looked it up, I’m so proud of myself. (It used to mean single white female.)

The older I get the less a few extra pounds bother me on a woman. Not that anyone should give a damn about my opinion of the way they look. The important thing is being healthy. It’s very possible to be rather healthy with a few extra pounds. It’s impossible carrying around the extra load many are. Positive body image crap aside.

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S2kChris's avatar

I carry a lot of extra pounds. This beast made me look Ethiopian.

Google “Gwen Adora” but make sure your safe search is on for your own sanity.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

I think it’s in my best interests to pass on that.

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Scott A's avatar

Why? To the eagerly

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S2kChris's avatar

Never watched something steamy with the wife and had it lead to your own activities?

But this documentary was more awkward and sad than “inspirational”.

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Scott A's avatar

I'd have to check with the wife but I don't think so. Before kids, we never needed to and after kids, we don't have the time!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I have it on good authority that the Connecticut housewives masturbate to shows like "Outlander" and "Sex/Life".

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S2kChris's avatar

I’m from CT but my wife is from here (Chicagoland). I’ve gotten laid right after Outlander many many times.

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Scott A's avatar

Are you a tax accountant? Are you looking for a job?

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Pete C's avatar

Great synopsis for us common folk. Interwebs chock full of toxic morons who look up data and spew them out of context. If only there was some mechanism for accountability.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Just hit the YouTube "dislike" button...oh wait; that got canceled.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

You're only allowed to dislike white supremacy. Everything else must be liked. How do you know if it's white supremacy? If you're allowed to dislike it.

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

Well, if I were Jonny, I could say that the Bentley Continental GTC consumes less fuel than a Miata.

Which is obviously true, if you drive the GTC at steady 60 mph and test the limits of the Miata at the backroad.

However, even though this is an obviously idiotic example, not many people realise that fuel consumption (or Miles-per-Gator or whatever you use over the pond) is something that can't really be explained in one number.

Here in mileage-conscious Europe, many people ask me "and what's the fuel consumption does it get" about whatever car I'm talking about, and they usually look kinda weird at me if I tell them something like "between 8 and 60 liters per 100 km" (which is between 30 and 4 miles per gibon), which is the case of current RS6. True, I don't know many people able to drive said RS6 in the way that gets you the 60 l/100 km number and not die very quickly, but it's possible.

Even more interesting is the effect of the speed – again, people are not very good with square stuff. If you tell them that most cars get the best consumption at 110 km/h (70 moths per hour or something) and that most non-Corvette-shaped cars get at least twice as much at 160 km/h (160 makaks per hour), they're quite surprised, because they usually never tried to reset average fuel consumption again and again to measure it in various driving situations and only focus on "the one number", which can, of course, differ vastly driver-to-driver and scenario-to-scenario.

And as to the CO2 emissions reduction and focus on cars – I don't want to get involved in a "is it worth it" war, because I'm actually not that sure, especially with CO2-reducing measures historically having the opposite effect (CAFE and now the European CO2 standards have both helped massive proliferation of SUVs), but I actually don't think there's some special focus on passenger cars.

It's just that the passenger cars are just about the only area where CO2 limits affect a consumer product so obviously and so directly AND it's a consumer product that has one of the highest, or maybe even THE highest emotional value for the consumer.

Your new fridge is probably using several times less electricity than the one from 30 years ago, and its design has been changed by environmental regulations even more than that of your car. Do you care? Will you spend time to find and restore the golden era proper freon-circulating, energy-draining fridge? You might, and I bet there are such people, but it's much less probably than someone moaning about his new 7 series being a hybrid with 4-cylinder instead of a V8 that it used to be.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

You raise a bunch of salient points; people are better at estimating what they care about, for sure.

And while I don't know too many vintage fridge enthusiasts, I've certainly seen this with things like drill presses.

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

I know a guy who restores and collects vintage Berkel meat slicers. He has around fourty. And I know for a fact that vintage fridge enthusiasts exist, I've read something about them somewhere.

But still, 99.9% of people doesn't give a shit about their fridge and most probably don't remember the brand. You don't see them bragging about the power of the compressor or number of shelves.

With cars? Even people who don't know shit about cars can be heard bragging about their 3.0 V6 and 300 horsepower and some load of nonsense they think about their car...

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I don't think it's BAD that cars are emotionally significant to people. They're the modern analog to animals, and people used to get pretty sentimental about their horses, even ones used commercially, hence the phrase "Busman's holiday"

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Dave Ryan's avatar

I think attaching emotional significance to cars is waning. Lots of people see them as mere appliances. Unfortunately.

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

Don't know about America, it might be true over there, but I don't see it here. Even EVs don't change that, maybe even on the contrary – people tend to love their Teslas and shit.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

When the Tesla Model S first came out, the Detroit concours had a class of EVs and I was talking to a woman about their Tesla and I'd have to characterize her reaction to the car as aroused.

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

Of course it isn't! It's totally natural, as cars are a reflection of our personality and combination of art and engineering in a unique way.

I wasn't saying it as a bad thing, just a fact – that people don't buy cars rationally, even if they think they do, and often they buy cars for their perceived qualities, not real ones.

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Eric L.'s avatar

I'll admit to laughing out loud at miles per gibbon. Well played.

And people that don't like automatic 3-cylinder cars DO, in my experience, care more about new refrigerators' compressors dying prematurely. It saves on electricity, but surely that doesn't help the environment by causing you to purchase a new refrigerator every 5~10 years now. And have you SEEN the size of American refrigerators? You could put an entire... uh... Czechrepublicanian thing in there. Maybe you have a nice Czechian goat species? You could fit an entire goat in there.

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Scott A's avatar

The new appliances all suck. And by new, I mean anything made in the last 20 something years.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Can you say “stupid regulations”?

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

We don't have that much goats. Also, I have seen the American fridges (they even sell them here), but you probably never seen a goat. I could fit, like, three to four goats in each of my refrigerators, if I chope them up right.

American fridge is more like... a huge pig? A deer?

As to the replacements, my last fridge has compressor warranty for, like, 14 years?

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Eric L.'s avatar

Ha! Cutting them up is cheating. I mean pick up a goat, stuff it in the fridge, close the door. Mine can certainly not hold more than one intact Nubian goat.

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Vojta Dobeš's avatar

I can also fit one goat per fridge.

But then it is very much possible that you Americans have BIGGER GOATS.

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S2kChris's avatar

In real (rural) America they sell freezers based on deer capacity, usually somewhere between 1 and 4.

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Henry C.'s avatar

This subthread would be much funnier if you swapped 'goats' with 'journalists' or 'politicians'.

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Pete Madsen's avatar

I've never seen a European goat.

I was walking on a woods trail near here and met a couple who were walking two dogs and two goats. The goats had better trail manners than the dogs.

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Joshua Fromer's avatar

Whether Johnny is right or wrong doesn’t explain why he’s seemingly such a miserable prick about everything.

Also, if an objective with your substack is to shamelessly convince someone like me to buy a Radical well then I’m here to tell you it’s working.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Imagine marrying a woman who looks like F. Murray Abraham and has had so many abortions during sex work that your poor weak fetus of a son has to demonstrate world champion mountain climbing skills just to stay attached to the uterine wall.

I'm not saying that about Jonny, which would be really unpleasant. But I'm sure there's another reason he's angry all the time.

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Ice Age's avatar

Like throwing a hot dog down a hallway...

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I hear that a lot in the manosphere, that a woman who has been "run through" is necessarily going to have a stretched out vag from all that D. I wonder if those guys have ever seen a baby's head crowning. Even a guy with a beer can isn't going to stretch it that far. In any case, I'm sure plenty of guys think one that isn't tight is better than none at all.

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Ice Age's avatar

I was thinking metaphorically.

And I've seen video of a human birth. Hands down the most awful, disgusting thing I've ever watched. It's been 34 years and I haven't touched apple butter since.

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Scott A's avatar

It's so much worse in person.

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Henry C.'s avatar

'Untimely ripped' is paradoxicially easier on the eyes.

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silentsod's avatar

Yeah but did they show the placenta passing?

That's a treat.

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Ice Age's avatar

It was a while before I could eat Italian food again.

Animal biology is quite nasty.

And wet.

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Henry C.'s avatar

Feature, not bug, perhaps. His following implies they either actually like him or the drama.

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JKA's avatar

Sometimes when you find yourself debating the numbers, trying to understand them (or not), you've already been duped into missing what is actually going on.... even if you are technically right.

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silentsod's avatar

This was one of the enlightening things I picked up from Scott Adams as I hadn't heard of "talking past the sale" until him for whatever reason.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Scott is so right about so many things...

...and SUCH A SIIIMMMP.

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Scott A's avatar

I swear 99% of boomers are simps. Back then if you played by the rules, you got a wife and kids. The wife might've detest you, but you got one. My boomer dad thinks my wife runs my life because my mom runs his. "Dad, Just tell her to fuck off when she's being crazy. She'll respect it more" "Oh no, I can't do that."

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Simping and genuine civilization go hand in hand -- what's more, they are NECESSARY for each other.

Lancelot? Super simp.

Every leading man for centuries in fiction and film, with the possible exception of Mr. Darcy, Heathcliff, and Rhett Butler? High simp quotient.

They literally re-shot the ending of "Pretty Woman" so that the audience would be satisfied by a billionaire simping over a hooker.

Simping works in all situations but 80/20 world, which is sadly where we are now.

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Ice Age's avatar

In the end, you get a better result being a woman-repelling asshole than a simp. At least with the former, you keep your dignity.

And besides, isn't Love the game where the only way to win is to not play?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

The ideal situation is to simp for someone who is truly worthy of it, I suppose.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Mutual respect and trust work.

Really.

Finding a woman that doesn’t play games is big, too.

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Dave Ryan's avatar

Nice to be part of the 1%.

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Scott A's avatar

I knew the 1% would all be avoidable contact readers

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Scott A's avatar

Something something rhetoric vs dialect.

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