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Jack Baruth's avatar

This is shocking.

I didn't know the W Series was still happening.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Alanis is in that great and profitable place where you're not pretty but you're also not a total shoggoth so you feel "attainable" to the Cheeto-dust crowd that supports her.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

Then offscreen you go die of mesothelioma from all the asbestos you have have been inhaling the whole time.

JMcG's avatar

No way, a dozen bottles of Veuve Cliquot, a pound of caviar, a couple of Sophia Loren lookalikes, and death by bunga-bunga.

AK47isthetool's avatar

Hey, I love Veuve Cliquot, so by the transitive properties that apparently make dentists cool when they buy 911s and Rolex Daytonas I must also be cool.

JMcG's avatar

Sorry, it’s the Sophia Loren lookalikes banging your to death that makes you cool. The champagne and caviar are just there to nourish you while you give it your all.

JMcG's avatar

Panamera guys make 911 guys look cool. Taycan guys make Panamera guys look cool.

After that, I’ve got nothing.

Ice Age's avatar

I could never get into racing movies.

There's this attitude, to which I DO NOT subscribe, that states that a car-themed TV show or movie is "Good" in direct relation to how closely it resembles a fly-on-the-wall documentary or how-to instructional video.

According to this belief, "bad" movies have stylized portrayals of cars & driving, or take artistic liberties with actual vehicle operation or driving techniques for the sake of the story.

I'm also okay with CGI, provided it's done well and also provided it's used for things that'd be too dangerous or expensive to do in real life, or for experimental/prototype vehicles that don't actually exist - skycars, transforming vehicles, etc.

All of this means that I'm not a Real Car Guy, or course.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Also the idea that a driver is suffering from all these issues and is falling all the way to... second place.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Maybe. I enjoyed the hell out of Fast&Furious 1,2,3, and 5.

Ice Age's avatar

One thing I learned from the F&F series is that constantly having to go bigger and bigger when writing car movies is not the way to go.

silentsod's avatar

Well done CGI like UPN's Viper!

Ice Age's avatar

The first-season hex scale, not the Venetian blind armor from seasons 2-4.

One of the last shows, other than Star Trek, where the vehicle was one of the characters.

unsafe release's avatar

Rush is not only a good racing movie, but also just a good movie

Jack Baruth's avatar

Personally, I want every other car to break in the first lap so I can spend the time watching the other classes on the televisions.

anatoly arutunoff's avatar

balance...etc. is beyond loathsome...it's the 'political/sociological equity' of motor racing. ptui!

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i have no idea who/what that is

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Linda Scaccia's avatar

Thanks for sharing that. I've read alot of Vonnegut, but missed that. Scarey.

MD Streeter's avatar

Every time I see the word "equity" outside of real estate finance it makes me die a little bit on the inside.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

I have a buddy who is a real estate developer. He is in his late 30s and has been remarkably successful thus far; i.e., he has “fuck you” money and can do and say as he pleases.

He made a LinkedIn post recently that said: “At ________ Alternative Investments [his firm], we are “all-in” on DEI. That’s Debt and Equity Investments, for the avoidance of doubt.”

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Open up an ESG certification agency, staff it with people who have all the proper DEI credentials, at least on paper, but are anti-woke, and provide "DEI training" for companies that need to comply with ESG stuff but aren't on board with it. How can anyone call that a scam when DEI/ESG is a grift to begin with?

"We engaged Gramsci DEI Consultants, to provide inclusive training to our employees."

yossarian's avatar

i'm meeting an old high school buddy tonight who has worked his entire adult life as a consulatant quite successfully. he got on the esg bandwagon about a year ago and is doing great. it pays to drink the koolaid.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

I am wrapping up the first piece of an “ESG” deal this month and also socializing an actual ESG deal that has significant merit but has some significant hurdles to overcome in terms of incentivizing various parties within a bank to find a way to collaborate on a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Speed's avatar

"How do you feel about DEI?"

I was more of a Hendrick guy, personally.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

That’s exactly how I responded to him!

Ice Age's avatar

Well said!

Will's avatar

LeMans is boring AF so I echo the point. Watch MotoGP! Asian drivers wreck there too!

JMcG's avatar

I did a couple of motorcycle endurance races thirty years ago, at Nelson Ledges, I believe. I was too scared to be bored.

Jack Baruth's avatar

And that's how the average Lemons participant feels -- it's a ninety-minute HOLY SHIT SCREAMING MONTAGE -- which is why cheap-car endurance people are so militant about their sport.

But after a certain amount of time you can sit and listen to your favorite music, or even an audiobook, during an endurance race. Even on a bike, although you have more physicality there so that's less likely to happen.

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Music is the only way to go! I used to wear wired earbuds way back when! But once as I was leaving the pits at like 2am, my friend called... And I didnt hang up. It was such a good session. we were laughing so hard. V12 POWAR! Until a neon dumped its coolant and I followed it off and after big hit, landed on top the tire wall with a huge BMW 750IL. My friend was like DUUUUUUUDEEEEEE you ok???????????

Yeah but I have no idea where I am. All I can see is sky. Im like on top of tree or something. Seriously. It was so dark and I hit so hard and I cant see anything but sky. I dont know. I guess I'll open the door. Ohhhh it's caved in bad. right to the seat. hmmm. I'lll loosen my belts.... Oh... dude Im like 6' up. On a tire wall! yeah, the whole car. flat on top of the wall.. No I didn't hit it. I hit that little car in the field and sort of landed here? I guess? Not sure. Wait... someones trying to talk to me...

Yeah... Im good. Hook me up and pull me off!!!!!!!

Yeah, hey, I should go. And like be respectful to safety rescue dudes. But my friend was like F that! I want to know if you can drive back to the pits!

ok. fine. Here we go! Ok Im down. Cranking. in gear. And.....Away I go!!!! OMG dude it's fine! like drives straight too!!!!! Heading to the pits. later dude!

They should make the drivers dial into a party line and take criticism all race. Let them explain if they want. I would so watch that!

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Bill, just wanted you to know I’m a big fan of your escapades and writing, and you inspired me and another friend to off-road race a cheap and beat to shit beetle in class 5 at a MORE race while we were getting our MBA. It was the most fun ever. We finished dead last and had the most fun of anyone there. Thanks for the inspiration and harping the power of just “buying a book on what you need to learn.” Long love the rally e30

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See, you can't have INTERESTING racing, with vehicles at the edge of technology. It'd be about the machines, devoid of the bullshit human drama and photo finishes the sanctioning bodies deem essential in order to get the audience watching.

Plus, it'd be legitimately DANGEROUS - 400-mph, 8g, compression-injury-launch-and-detached-retina-braking dangerous.

Which'd actually get me WATCHING a race.

Jack Baruth's avatar

What you're talking about is a "Formula Zero" and while there would be no shortage of young white men ready to die in it -- maybe even some of the wheelie-riding brothers, too -- no corporation would touch it.

Ice Age's avatar

Yep.

Though I prefer the name "Formula None."

Spaniel Felson's avatar

As a white man who was recently young, I have been ready and willing to die in F-Zero for the majority of my years.

JMcG's avatar

When I was a young man, I felt the same way. Now that I have a young man, I do not. And I hope he doesn’t either.

Spaniel Felson's avatar

Funny how that works, isn't it.

Jack Baruth's avatar

About how I felt watching my son ride the expert line at Railyard.

Colin's avatar

Would they really not? They’re not just so coldly capitalistic that they quantity of eyeballs would force them to advertise?

Jack Baruth's avatar

Corporations are hugely risk averse now... for certain values of risk, mind you.

JMcG's avatar

Isle of Man TT

Ice Age's avatar

Yeah, I was MOVED TO TEARS by the mattress someone had thoughfully tied around the phone booth...

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I can't... especially after the stories of calling the wrong emergency contact because the rider's dog tag was so badly bent the stewards misread the number on it. But the other guy died too, so things worked out in the end.

Dave Ryan's avatar

Which was canceled for a year or two because of Covid. Yep, that Covid shit is dangerous!

Ice Age's avatar

Worse than the death of flesh is the death of life.

Speed's avatar

I recall reading somewhere about a similar thing happening to Indycar. The cars were so fast and made so much downforce that a driver could only really survive the G forces for about 5 laps. They tried to fix it, but if you put a restrictor on the turbo, it'd choke and sputter. If you put smaller wings on it, the car became wildly unstable.

Can't remember what the solution was but if I can find the post I'll link it here.

I'm in the camp of "crank up the power and tear the wings off" school of thought to make racing interesting.

Speed's avatar

I never did find the article I was looking for, but that's pretty much what happened.

Thanks!

Gene's avatar

Texas 2001. CART had to cancel the race because during practice drivers were completely fogging out and on the edge of passing out. Gigantic failure by CART in preparing for their first race at this new facility largely blamed on Bobby Rahal. This was the same weekend that the worst racing movie ever made premiered. I consider this the moment CART lost the war and began it's slow, miserable end.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_Firehawk_600

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driven_(2001_film)

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And that's why they added the bumper car stuff to the races, because no one's allowed to push to the edge anymore, so they had to do SOMETHING to keep people watching.

At least that's my take on it.

Speed's avatar

Is it too much to ask for the cars to be less complex? I'd rather have naturally aspirated V10s instead of the hybrid whatevers now. I also don't understand the purpose of all the mods done to the Garage 56 NASCAR. If it's not competing against anything, why bother making it more competitive?

Modified street cars racing for 24 hours might be neat.

Chuck S's avatar

Bring back IROC, but with a twist: Everyone races bone-stock Miatas with street tires.

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I don't give two flying fucks about competition.

I want to see what sort of monster some Doc Brown wannabe would build to win a race.

Like the opening of the "Quantum Leap" series pilot where Dean Stockwell is driving through the desert at like 400 mph in a Testarossa with front-and-rear warp coils.

Chuck S's avatar

Don't minimize the joy of seeing Ferrari never tire of finding new ways of stepping on its own dick.

Ice Age's avatar

Here's an even better idea: Bring back IROC, call it IROC-Z and have all the drivers be New Jersey guidos.

Eeeeyyyyy!!!

PJ King's avatar

“Italian Retard Out Crusing.” Gilda Radner, ‘80s SNL.

PJ King's avatar

No edit function to fix my typo. What is this, pre-Musk Twitter?

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Edit does work.

Seneca Plutarchus's avatar

Modified street cars is supposed to be GT class.

Speed's avatar

I suppose I should have specified that I wanted something closer to stock car with a cage and some other modifications (isn't that a GT car?), less like a GT car. Half the excitement would be trying to figure out which car is even competitive!

The other half would be sliding around on DOT legal street tires trying to find out what part breaks first.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I think the point of the G56 car was to show what the potential for a NASCAR road course series might be in Europe. And judging by the response, there's some potential.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

You’re correct.

And also, perhaps inadvertently, to give NASCRAP fans some bread and circus entertainment. Multiple members of that fanbase told me that the NASCAR was “beating” the GTE cars!

Dave Ryan's avatar

Glad to see I’m not the only one who calls it NASCRAP.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Like the fellow who tried to win an SCCA adjudication with me by noting that he was faster, without mentioning that he was

A - in a faster class

B - 5 seconds off pole

Chuck S's avatar

I have to say I've never found being part of AER endurance races boring, but that's entirely due to the teams you've put together. It's always fun seeing everyone. I also enjoyed watching the team in the adjacent garage at Mid-O spend the better part of a weekend making one E30 engine out of two (or was it three?) and getting the car finished in time to make the last lap of the race.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Agreed -- and as a team manager there's no boring moment to it either. But the actual DRIVING can be a bit tame.

Gene's avatar

Racing adjacent; this morning I learned from a Mark Hughes tweet about sax player Peter King's Ayrton Senna tribute album "Tamburello" released in 1994 by John Miles' Miles Music. Apparently King was once an aerodynamicist at Vanwall.

If you're into Jazz it's swell.

https://tidal.com/album/222586158

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As a super casual race fan, BOP never made sense to me. Either make building the car part of the competition like f1, or make a spec series. I watch F1 to see the whole spectacle of it and the crazy tech, and I watch MX5 cup to see more close racing in one 45 minute race than the whole f1 season.

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BOP allows you to watch a grid of, say, GT3-class cars from a variety of manufacturers compete equitably (or close to it). Otherwise, how would a Lexus or a BMW M3 compete straight up against a McLaren 720S? Or a Ferrari 296? Or a Lambo Huracan?

Jack Baruth's avatar

That's the problem.

In a world like that, you'd have to build better/faster cars. A Mustang that could run with a 570S at full power. That sort of thing.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

In such a world there’s no Lexus or BMW or Acura or Porsche or … any GT3 (or fill in the blank) racing at all, pretty quickly.

Adam 12's avatar

Lexus just needs to do what it does. Be reliable. The others will self implode if pushed.

anatoly arutunoff's avatar

how about mentioning what's been done to slow that car down whenever a specific car is being shown?

Davis's avatar

Hearing people at work all week discuss how "Ferrari is back!!!11!!1!!" makes me insane. They don't have any knowledge of how the BoP system works or about how the Toyotas got shafted in the name of entertainment.

Having the Ferrari win is good for ratings and bringing a certain crowd to the races.

Writing this as a die hard Ferrari fan for some reason this victory feels hollow.

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im sure Charles LeClerc who was there in the pits was seething that a ferrari team didnt fuck up their strat somehow

Sherman McCoy's avatar

He was probably wondering if the history books would remember Antonio Giovinazzi as a more important Ferrari driver than him!

Jack Baruth's avatar

He must have been dying inside.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

He is in an abusive relationship with Ferrari. He LOVES Ferrari, perhaps more than anyone else who has driven for the brand since Enzo died (yes, Alesi and Fisi included).

But he wants to have a title tilt against Max; how to achieve that goal?

Ferrari under the cost cap is truly adrift, a consequence of (1) Maranello’s geographic isolation from the UK’s Motorsport Valley (Oxfordshire), (2) poor leadership from the top (Elkann and Vigna), and (3) spaghetti culture.

If Ferrari really wanted to return to the top they should’ve pursued some of the following (perhaps they did):

Hire Brawn as CTO

Hire Vettel as team principal OR

Hire Horner as team principal (they tried, per Marko)

Hire Gerhard Berger in the Lauda / Marko role (Austrians only, clearly)

Fire Inaki Rueda and bring Ruth Buscombe “home”; or hire Hannah Schmitz from RBR

Advocate for higher cost cap (all teams are profitable now)

Be willing to open a satellite office in the UK

And most crucially of all: Scuderia Ferrari’s Team Principal (Vasseur at present) reports directly and exclusively to John Elkann

Sherman McCoy's avatar

It wasn’t a BOP shaft IMO.

From memory, Toyota got 37KG, Ferrari got 24KG, and Peugeot gained … 0KG! Why didn’t Peugeot win?

Jack Baruth's avatar

Because the car is slow, obviously. Apparently the aero is all wrong.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

They can make the same complaint that Toyota - the team that notched up 5 Le Mans “victories” against privateers operating on a shoestring budget - did about BOP: “We failed to win because of BOP. This is political!”

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MotoGP sees Ducati dominance continue at Mugello (admittedly their home track). KTM is just on the verge of being competitive at more tracks, but hasn't quite gotten their chassis there yet; certainly the motor is capable with a new MotoGP speed record being set at around 226MPH.

Honda continues to struggle with even the Kalex chassis riders wrecking out repeatedly over the weekend and injuring two riders with bad crashes. They'll need to be back at the drawing board because what they've got is not working whatsoever for any of the four riders. Yamaha, as well, continues to struggle even with Quartararo's bike set back to it's 2021 settings.

Jorge Martin continues to shine in the sprints and is now coming on in the main events as well. Bagnaia must have been on something for the sprint and race as he was riding on a broken ankle from contact three weeks ago and yet took first in both events!

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JMcG's avatar

You said it. I was timed at 130 on the back straight at Pocono years ago on a GPz 550 that kept bouncing off the rev limiter. I can’t imagine adding another 100 mph on top of that.

Ron's avatar

Yamaha went all in on the engine and made functionally no changes to the chassis other than to make the new motor fit.. Both riders say that rideability and feel have been sacrificed for the sake of power, so they are acutely uncomfortable on the bike. Not likely to lead to improved results or the re-signing of their riders. Honda has just been painful to watch. At this point I think all of the non-Ducati riders would be willling to lose the CF aero bits if they could gain a measure of stability and control. Which means it won't happen until someone is badly hurt or worse.

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I would like to see the aero shit gone, or toned down. Ride height crap, too. (And I’m a Ducati guy!) Widowmaker stuff, all of it!

Makes the bikes look like hell, too.

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I think having MotoGP stand out as the absolute bleeding edge where prototyping and testing is occurring is a draw to the sport, but I can understand why not everyone would feel the same way.

It isn't just that they're the premiere riders - they're on the nuttiest machinery available.

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Definitely a valid point, and one made by Kevin Cameron all the time. It’s a tough one, to be sure. Where is the line drawn? They’ve had spec electronics for years. I conveniently allow myself to ignore that.

I feel the same about F1. I would like to see a return to a single element front wing, extending no wider than the insides of the front tires— no end plates. No “barge boards”, etc. If I’m honest, all this likely has more to do with aesthetics than anything else. When aero was based on assumption, the results were often beautiful— once it became data driven; stuff got ugly. Case in point (and speaking of Le Mans), I have long thought the most beautiful machine ever was the Ferrari 330 P4. Science doesn’t come up with that.

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Kevin Cameron has often made the point that full dustbin fairings (pioneered by Moto Guzzi) are the ne plus ultra for motorcycle aerodynamics.

We form over function guys sometimes find ourselves talking out of both sides of our mouths.

The heart wants what the heart wants.

My heart wouldn’t mind Moto GP being frozen around 1984.

Dave Ryan's avatar

I’m partial to 4-stroke bikes; but I hear you.

Dave Ryan's avatar

Pecco seems to be hitting his stride; but I thought that the case at the end of last year, too— before some of the gaffs this year.

If Marquez (the “real” one) doesn’t podium in Germany… Honda has to get on top of this, yesterday.

It almost looks like Fabio has given up. That might be off base; but is he thinking “I don’t want to end up in the hospital repeatedly like Marc, trying to drag this dog to the front”? Hell, Franky got better results.

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FP2 today in Germany, MM93 gave his Honda the finger after it almost launched him skyward.

Then he destroyed Zarco’s Duc after a lowside. And blamed Zarco for being there! I guess he thinks everyone should know to stay completely away from him as he overrides that recalcitrant thing. Look out, here he comes!!!

(Actually, I’ll bet everyone does think that.)

silentsod's avatar

That must have been a real pucker moment for Zarco and Marc, sheez.

Looks like a lot of riders were caught on the cold right handers.

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A few weeks ago I received a double issue of Road & Track. I do not subscribe so it must have come from some mailing list (ACF? ... nah) to drum up subscriptions. The cover noted Vol. 16 LE MANS and pictured the ex-Whittington Kremer 935 that won LeMans in '79. This gem was a curated group of 16 articles from the first LeMans in '23 through a hamb-fisted test of the Glickenhaus SCG 007 at COTA. Also Included was a history of the Rolex Daytona (the watch), "Brake Dance" about the oversize drums on the '53 LeMans Cunningham C-5R, the '76 race where the Frances took a couple of NASCAR stockers, a great look at the '64 winning 250LM (from the Indy museum), a look at the 3 new Hybrids ... the Cad, the Ferrari and the Porsche, and more interesting articles. A handful of ads, stunning photography and period photos ... a wonderful reimagining of the classic Road & Track. I caught the first and last 2 hrs on M/T and was entertained. Certainly helped by the come from 2 laps down win of the Vette before it's put out to pasture. No point on the NASCAR Camaro ... they did it because they could and it was cool.

Mozzie's avatar

Have you subscribed to any related publications in the past? Someone in publishing should correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's called garbit circ.

Todd Zuercher's avatar

Sounds like a far more interesting issue than they've had as of late. I guess I'll keep an eye out for it but perhaps it won't make it to the bookstore rack.

Jack Baruth's avatar

R&T is such a bullshit dumpster fire full of candy-assed cowards now.

Jack Baruth's avatar

With the exception, naturally, of my racing teammate Travis Okulski!

Todd Zuercher's avatar

Generally, I'll agree. Sometimes, though, I'll find something I like. In the current issue, A.J. Baime has an interesting short piece on the '64 Mustang Pace Car and all the work Holman Moody did to it to make it pace car-worthy. Some issues back, someone wrote an interesting article on John Paul Sr. and some of his escapades. But yeah, I don't get to pick up a monthly copy and read Side Glances anymore.

unsafe release's avatar

The end of Side Glances was almost the end of R&T for me. The end of Avoidable Contact was the final nail in the coffin.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

Life is short.

Just read The Road Rat and skim R&T online.

Ice Age's avatar

Carpe canum.

"Seize the dog?"

That can't be right.

TL's avatar

I think if you really want to make endurance racing fun to watch, the only way to do it is to reduce the durability of the cars. Maximum diameter of the wire for valve springs at 70% of normal, top gear is missing a tooth, oil filters forbidden and everybody gets a handful of sand in the crankcase. Goal being that the cars should be able to finish the race, but only if not continuously abused.

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Because they're not letting the cars go faster. Remove the restrictions and shit will start blowing up left and right.

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Speed's avatar

Might as well put those safety cells to the test, right?

JMcG's avatar

And people will get killed more.

Ice Age's avatar

That's why there's no trophy at Top Gun for Best Student.

Those guys'd kill themselves trying to win it.

JMcG's avatar

There’s an outfit called Air Combat USA that used to travel around the country with a pair of Marchetti SF 260s.

They would take you up (along with their highly qualified safety pilots) and let you try to shoot the other guy down. Each plane had a laser aimed to the front, and a laser detector mounted to the rear to detect any successful firing passes.

I did it a couple of times and would definitely have died trying to win those completely meaningless pretend dogfights. I G-LoC’d myself a couple of times and nearly every battle ended up at the assigned hard deck altitude.

It was probably the single most enjoyable thing I’ve ever done.

Harry's avatar

Lower the minimum weight, go back to early 2000s dimensions, get rid of the rev limit and up the crash test. Bring back refueling. 1 engine per weekend.

With the budget cap the title competitive cars need to finish, but if you are farther back you can turn up the wick and try to make up places without penalties the following race.

anatoly arutunoff's avatar

no refueling. NO pit stops...racing is done on the track!

Ice Age's avatar

How about drivers refuelling their own cars?

Ice Age's avatar

We need to go back to the glory days of NASCAR when all the drivers looked like Jerry Reed and got in fistfights after the races.