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Albino.Rat's avatar

Parts availability for the SS has been better than expected after Holden shut down. All the suspension parts are currently available as either oem or usa aftermarket. The rear suspension is a 99% copy of the 5th gen Camaro which helps (you can bolt a rear Camaro sub frame right into a SS.)

The main issue is body panels. Bumper covers, grilles and a few other items are unobtainable outside used or Aussie aftermarket.

I agree with your general assessment of them, there's definitely better value options out there if your open to camaros/chargers ect. I've done enough work mine that i can show the taillights to 392 but that's money on top of the already higher price.

However in my, potentially biased opinion, there's not much of a better option out there if your looking for a manual sedan. M3 goes for similar money and definitely a better looking car, but you end up spending more on it in maintenance and parts and i still a six banger. ATS-V is fine if you don't mind listening to a complete vacuum. 2nd gen CTS-V's have remained surprisingly affordable but that's getting to be a fairly old car, and it's hard to find decent examples anymore.

jack4x's avatar

Yeah I had one too and the combo of space and pace is hard to match. Make that impossible if you want to shift for yourself. I traded mine for a Blackwing and the back seat is notably smaller for my kids and car seats.

Albino.Rat's avatar

Yeah blackwing is my end goal once i get a few other obligations paid for. Still might keep the SS though, the dream is to do a ute conversion on it, i have an irrational love for those things.

Albino.Rat's avatar

Yeah I've drooled over that site a few times.

If somebody rear ends me someday and totals the car I'll definitely be giving them a call.

Jack Baruth's avatar

They are asking close to 100k for a decent one, apparently.

Albino.Rat's avatar

oof, I'll keep dreaming

Keith's avatar

Import an older than 25yo one

Albino.Rat's avatar

Yeah i just struggle to get excited about any of the 3rd gen cars. But 5-6 years when the VE's become available could be tempting.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

i just find it hard to believe that with nice manuals in the 40s that this is a platform worth building on if you want to drive in 2026. sure, as a show car, weekend baby, fine, but if you want to grab it by the scruff?

sgeffe's avatar

You’re just asking to have something happen in traffic that’ll total it!

I suppose that’s the same for 10th-Gen 2.0T Accords as well! 😬😬

Ark-med's avatar

Really? Why do 10G 2.0T's get totalled by insurance so easily?

sgeffe's avatar

What I meant was that if it would be totaled, there’s no replacement for it, because Honda dropped the more powerful engine in favor of a hybrid powertrain with a token increase of power.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

The difference is that insurance will pay you close to what your 10G is worth if you want to go buy another in the open market. I'd bet a dollar that without agreed upon value your totalled SS is getting paid out $.50 on the dollar to market

Albino.Rat's avatar

Yeah there's been more than a few stories about guys that have had to fight with insurance to get the actual value. They've generally been successful, but it's a pia and your going to be sitting with nothing for months while you argue with them about it.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

OT for those who missed it: Phones, Psychotherapy, & Police in Perrysburg: A Microcosm of Modern Mores: https://youtu.be/iMWESKCWKtw

Scott A's avatar

DON'T SHARE LOCATIONS

I'm not watching all of that. That was enough.

Scott A's avatar

On second thought and fast forwarding, this is her parents fault for naming her kristin with two i's.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

that covers "Phones."

She began the call by insisting on her need to get to the river, asks the police to follow her to the river, so, naturally, after running the last red light before the river, the Police proceed to BLOCK HER FROM ACCESSING THE RIVER.

In just 2 short minutes, the Psychotherapist really elevates this from banal to classic: https://youtu.be/iMWESKCWKtw?t=742s

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

As a child, I considered a career in law enforcement, and as an adult oppose both George Floyd and "defund the police," yet Behan's observation "I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse." seems to be true more often than not.

While the police were within their legal authority and more grounded than a hysterical woman having a smartphone-induced panic attack (neither of which is a particularly high bar), there was nothing to be gained by stopping her AFTER she had crossed the final intersection before the river, and much to lose by escalating.

Scott A's avatar

The cop touches a hysterical women and is shocked to find out she'll hit you. Anyone who has ever dealt with a hysterical woman has probably been assaulted by her. I'm sure my wife at some point has angrily hit me. I have 100 lbs on her. It's not real. Like when my kids hit me.

Gianni's avatar

It’s funny to see these women that have seen movies where a 100 lb woman beats the sh!t out of special ops men find out that reality is much different.

Sobro's avatar

There's no situation that can't be made worse by the police.

Scott A's avatar

It looks like the charges were plead down and the case was sealed which is probably why she is having another hissy fit it's being released to the public. I actually think releasing peoples worst moments to the public under the guise of "public information" 2-3 years later when you just want clicks is a giant dick move

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Well maybe "Midwest Safety" was "in fight or flight" when they published the video ;)

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Update: All the videos on the channel, including this one, contain the following:

"RIGHT TO BE FORGOTTEN:

Midwest Safety practices the "Right to be Forgotten." If you were the suspect in a lower-level offense, you may email our board to request removal: https://midwest.clickup.com/forms/900"...

So perhaps they _would_ have removed it if Kristin had simply asked nicely, but because she threatened to sue, they dug in!

MD Streeter's avatar

That can't be her. There isn't a single F-bomb in the whole interview.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The Oxford English Dictionary credits the origin of the term "F-bomb" to Gary "the Kid" Carter.

Gianni's avatar

“ What were you like growing up?

Growing up, I loved exploring all sides of myself. I did every sport and activity, enjoyed different friend circles and always gravitated towards creative things. My versatility has always been an assent to me, being able to relate and appreciate all types of people. I deeply believe we all have such unique gifts to share with the world.”

Like felony assault of a police officer.

Sobro's avatar

The entire video is AWFL.

Stan Galat's avatar

That was unwatchable.

I'm not sure who presents a less sympathetic protagonist here -- the woman or the cops. FWIW, I'm the lone boomer male who isn't a cop worshiper. The profession tends to attract bullies and bad-boys. I know there are good guys on "the thin blue line", but for every one of them are a hundred who have no interest in you or your little problems.

Scott A's avatar

Again “felony assault of an officer”

Felonys are serious crimes. Bumpng a cops chest shouldnt be a felony. Lots of things shouldnt be felonies. And then real felonies are treated seriously. Clown world.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yeah, Kristin is a brat, and the cops _appear_ reasonable (and I've seen worse police work..._much_ worse!), but, objectively:

1) she expressed a belief (supported by evidence, albeit from malfunctioning technology) that her family member was having a life-threatening emergency in the river

2) *after* she crossed the final street before the river (and therefore couldn’t run any more red lights), the police a) blocked her car and b) detained her

3) Rather than asking her name, they demanded ID: on one hand, that's probably a best practice, because people lie, but on the other, it's an obsession with many cops, and served to antagonize her further (while she was physically blocked from her husband's reported location and detained). I think they were also more concerned with her red light violations than the possibility (however dubious) of a recently unemployed man in the river[1].

I found it discussion-worthy mostly because all parties (except Pete "I just had a wonderful...dinner") left so much to be desired.

[1] See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#1991_murders

In the early morning hours of May 27, Dahmer returned toward his apartment to discover Sinthasomphone sitting naked on the corner of 25th and State, talking in Lao, with three distressed young women standing near him....

Upon the arrival of two Milwaukee police officers, John Balcerzak and Joseph Gabrish, Dahmer's demeanor relaxed...

The three women were exasperated, and when one of the trio attempted to indicate to one of the officers—both of whom had observed no injuries beyond a scrape to Sinthasomphone's knee and believed him to be intoxicated—that Sinthasomphone had blood upon his testicles, was bleeding from his rectum and that he had seemingly struggled against Dahmer's attempts to walk him to his apartment prior to their arrival, the officer harshly informed her to "butt out", "shut the hell up" and to not interfere."

...three members of the Milwaukee Fire Department arrived at the scene....examined Sinthasomphone for injuries and provided a yellow blanket for the police officers to cover Sinthasomphone. One of the three believed Sinthasomphone needed treatment, but the police officers directed the fire department personnel to leave. Shortly thereafter, officer Richard Porubcan arrived at the scene. He and Gabrish—followed by Balcerzak—escorted Dahmer and Sinthasomphone to Dahmer's apartment...

...Though Balcerzak said he smelled nothing unusual, Gabrish later stated he noted a strange scent reminiscent of excrement inside the apartment. This odor emanated from the decomposing body of Hughes....The officers then left, with a departing remark that Dahmer "take good care" of Sinthasomphone. This incident was listed by the officers as a "domestic dispute".

Upon the departure of the three officers from his apartment, Dahmer again injected hydrochloric acid into Sinthasomphone's brain. This second injection proved fatal.

Scott A's avatar

Pete got an excessive speeding ticket 10 years ago!

Scott A's avatar

I agree with this completely but whats more likely “my husband is drowning in a river and his iphone is still transmitting” or “the system is faulty”

Women are neurotic for a reason and a sensible husband balances this

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yeah, and I agree that the officers' assessment was correct, and that this was certainly nothing like the Daniel Shaver shooting, just that the red light conversation could have been held less than 500 feet away, at the river's edge.

Of course, the times that officers _do_ exercise discretion and good judgment make for far less entertaining YouTubes!

Scott A's avatar

She blew through two red lights with cops trailing her. If she got in an accident, theyd have been in trouble. I think the felony charge was ridiculous but man she was craaaazy. If i did that, id get shot.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yes, but she'd already crossed the final street by that point.

Also, it was one trailing and one cop AHEAD.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I can kind of understand her behavior there.

She asked to cops to follow her to the river. In her mind, she was basically the head of a police convoy... which, in theory means she can run a light.

sgeffe's avatar

What the cops should have done when they originally met her at Swig, a restaurant just up the street about a block, if that (which was mentioned in the video—awesome homemade ketchup there, BTW 😋), was to have her drive in the middle of the caravan with BOTH cops running lights and sirens—I think that’s permissible—all the way down to the parking lot at the bottom of the drive going down to the river. (At least if I understand things correctly, you are allowed to follow an ambulance if a loved one is under transport, in Ohio—maybe a cop has to take up the rear? 🤷‍♂️)

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

If you note at 0:30, she WAS in the middle; see https://www.avoidablecontact.com/p/wednesday-ort-yuki-returns-fake-poll/comment/318825756 ; the only difference between your scenario is that the POLICE failed to activate their lights & sirens (until they were attempting to stop her).

(Again, the POLICE used the LEAD car to BLOCK her from the final 450 feet, where there was no cross traffic to collide with, which escalated the situation.)

Maybe she should have jumped in the cruiser.

sgeffe's avatar

My town, as stated in a Comment on another thread. Mostly upper-middle class, excellent school system, and where you have that, you’re gonna have a smattering of women like this! Some have even bred, and I feel sorry for their kids, husbands, and their “on the side” CrossFit instructors! (Casey Putsch is also from here, God help us all!)

The Perrysburg, OH Police Department is mostly decent.

FAFO! Or “play stupid games, win stupid prizes!”

BTW, the shrink or therapist isn’t going to be able to absolve you of criminal charges! The “therapist” should have known that!

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The therapist's role is far greater than her brief screen time would indicate. I love the moment around 12:45 where the therapist is looking up at the bodycam with crazy eyes and the subtitle "Crazy"

sgeffe's avatar

I probably should have amended that to say that maybe some sort of brief to the court via defense counsel MIGHT get the charge reduced to a lesser offense. Once everything gets to court!

But you’re NOT going to adjudicate anything coming to bail her sorry ass out!

Where did you see that title? Or did you make it up after seeing the video? That title wasn’t anywhere in the video itself, nor in the YouTube title. The only place I didn’t look was the Description. 🤷‍♂️ Obviously, when I saw “Perrysburg,” I thought I’d better watch the video!

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Legally, I don't think that "therapist says 'fight or flight'" is going to carry any weight in the judicial system, nor should it; also, any leniency due to mental/emotional illness probably should be conditioned on revoking her driving privileges, which is a very severe punishment in itself.

My point is that the therapist, like ALMOST EVERY therapist, is doing little good and probably harm. A competent therapist (a statistical oxymoron) would have taught her learn to CONTROL her emotions so that she could have handled the situation more calmly, rather than, as it seems, taken a personal call outside of a scheduled session (is that ethical?), poured gasoline on the fire during the event, and then attempted to justify the behavior at the police station. She showed both professional incompetence (not preparing her patient to handle stress better) as well as poor personal judgment.

But again, Kristin did, at worst, a couple of traffic tickets UNTIL the police hadn't blocked her path.

The alliterative title, summarizing what I believe to be the key elements of the event, was entirely of my own making. I thought of it in my brain (no AI LLMs needed) and typed it with my fingers before pasting the URL. It got you to click, so it worked!

Scott A's avatar

"My town, as stated in a Comment on another thread. Mostly upper-middle class, excellent school system, and where you have that, you’re gonna have a smattering of women like this! "

As someone who lives in a similar neighborhood, I can confirm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXi3of4VKZE

These wackadoodles used to be my neighbors

Mike's avatar

Did Hong lose or was the fix in. Lived in Wisconsin most of my life and don't remember ever hearing about five bad drives that held up the election. I am guessing they did her like Biden.

John Van Stry's avatar

It was rigged. The Democrat Establishment is very much turning on the DSA.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I've also heard a rumor that the RNC has funded DSA candidates in primaries, as they are much softer opponents in general elections.

John Van Stry's avatar

Possible, but I'm sure China and a lot of other foreign countries are more than happy to give the DSA money.

Acd's avatar

I’d like to think that was the case but based on what I’ve seen out of republicans this year I don’t think they’re smart enough to have pulled it off.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Let's move to South Carolina so that we can vote for Darlene Graham! 🙄

Acd's avatar

I’ve never been a fan of having a spouse or a relative take over the family politics business, they generally aren’t the most qualified people for the job.

Gianni's avatar

Funny if true as the flip side was making the rounds a few years ago that Dems were funding the most extreme MAGA candidates. Strange how people can’t see how something might be turned around and used against them sometime down the road a piece.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I like how "most extreme MAGA" turns out to be "1 million/year more CCP/Sangh Parivar agents given control of Critical Infrastructure."

Jack Baruth's avatar

It's the Uniparty position.

John Van Stry's avatar

It's just the controlled opposition getting out in front of the movement and claiming to be in charge so they can destroy it.

That's what happened to the Tea Party. The people claiming to be in charge appeared out of nowhere, and once people thought they were the heads, they destroyed it.

It's an old tactic and too many people go along with it, as the Press is very much involved.

sgeffe's avatar

Like when the Democrats nuked the filibuster in the Senate for Supreme Court nominees.

And all Harry Reid got was to have McCarren (sp?) airport in Vegas renamed after him.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

At least they may still have some small sense of survival.

Henry C.'s avatar

I don't think they will be able to get in front of this for long. By contrast, the eGOP has effectively harnessed Trump and squashed MAGA.

John Van Stry's avatar

I don't think the eGOP has accomplished anything like that at all.

Trump can't run for reelection, so he's not beholden to anyone. I think once mid-terms are past he's going to really start paying certain people back.

Speed's avatar

nuking iran in a few months

Andrew J.'s avatar

Lindsey would have loved that.

Henry C.'s avatar

He's experiencing the heat of a blast zone now.

Sobro's avatar

In 1979 my Dad quipped that Iran would be a good place to test a neutron bomb. I can neither confirm nor deny that he had some part in that bomb's development or production.

Henry C.'s avatar

The eGOP got their war. SAVE is dead. Massie, MTG, Musk/DOGE, Gabbard all purged. RFK Jr. has been largely hamstrung. ICE neutered after Minneapolis. Tariffs blocked by rando circuit court judges.

John Van Stry's avatar

I disagree with all of that. Iran needed to be dealt with once and for all, as we’ve been at war with them for nearly 50 years and they were building nukes. Everyone else kicked it down the road.

The people purged? Not really. I don’t think any of them really wanted to stay there forever. Especially not Musk. These people came in, did a job that needed doing, then left. Others are in there now doing other jobs.

RFK has been making amazing progress.

Tariffs still exist, just under different rules now.

ICE is still working.

You need to stop reading the deep state controlled press.

Andrew J.'s avatar

I don't believe Tulsi was pushed out. She left because of her Husband's health. If that weren't the case, she would still be in.

As for Massie and MTG, their fall from grace after being pushed out shows that they were nothing more than grifting for the attention and access. I was a big Massie guy too since he represents my state and for the most part my beliefs on the surface. All he does now after losing his primary is yell talking points, blabber about Epstein, and cry about AIPAC. If he had any real character outside of the grift for relevance, he'd go up there and release the so-called list, he claims to have. What does he have left to lose? He does not have a seat come January. We all want transparency, yet all we have gotten from that bill is the same list and access we had before. Go scorched earth and prove you're principled, or just go back to being irrelevant again.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I keep seeing moderate Democrats saying they have to save their party. That horse left the barn a while back.

The question that I have is how much the enthusiasm of leftist white women will be able to overcome the reduction in donations from Jewish Democrats.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

It would have been fun to print "Honkies for Hong!" T-shirts.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Like her husband!

Matthew Horgan's avatar

The SS suffered from the same problem as the 04-06 GTO: it looks like shit. Anodyne, meek, and unassuming, it could run 10’s out of the box and no one would care.

KoR's avatar

Yeah

GM spent approximately $12 US marketing them, and then they showed up to dealers who had no idea what to do with them where they would sit forever because they looked strikingly like the Malibu going for 50% of its MSRP sitting next to it.

I am quite taken by them, and I’ve always wanted one, but the fact that they go for well above sticker these days will keep me far, far away. I like how subtle they are. I like that they have four doors, a V8, and three pedals.

As things generally continue to cost more and more across the board in Trump’s America, I don’t really think I’ll be able to afford anything at all with a V8 again anyway, let alone a boutique decade old sedan. So it goes

Matthew Horgan's avatar

I would kill for the powertrain out of one, and I can't afford anything with an 8 made in the last 15 years. So I stick with my B-Bodies. My latest wagon is a heck of cruiser: Highway gears and a very mild camshaft. It's marred only by my inability to properly install an oil pan gasket, so I have to replace the seals with a half can of brake cleaner every now and then.

KoR's avatar

I am pretty much sold on replacing my dumb Abarth with a Crown Vic Variant next year if I can still afford a second beater car by then. If for no other reason than it is quite literally the only remaining V8, RWD vehicle I can buy in OK shape for less than $10k.

G Jetson's avatar

A Lexus LS460 is a V8 RWD sub-10k luxury barge that is better than a Panther-class battleship in every way. I've owned both. As a bonus, the Town Car I had made 205hp, while the Lexus makes 380hp from the same displacement. Lexus is way better.

Matthew Horgan's avatar

Until you compare the costs to repair a LS460 vs. a Panther

G Jetson's avatar

Generally, I agree with you. I may have bought my Town Car poorly, and bought the Lexus better, or I've been lucky, or all of the above, so Lexus repair costs have been minimal. I had one common Lexus issue fixed before I bought it (control arms), and fixed a few things cheaply myself (air suspension). I'd also argue that the additional costs are worth it for a much better car.

caltemus's avatar

I bought mine for 4700 bucks with over 200k miles, and have had little issue with it. Things cost more if they break, but not much more than any modern vehicle.

A bargain for what was ~100k new

KoR's avatar

Your prices are a bit out of wack these days. Ratty LS430 or LS400 you can get for sub $10k. A cheap LS460 is something I would not want to deal with.

On the flip side, I know of a garage kept, one owner 2006 Grand Marquis with 49k on it and dealer service records for each of the last 20 years on marketplace listed for $6500.

April's avatar

I agree with both of you, I have two SC 400s and it depends on how much you can do yourself. I am far more daring in the repairs/maintenance I attempt on seventies to nineties GM vehicles than the Lexus.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"A cheap LS460 is something I would not want to deal with"

I'm frightened of ALL LS460s which is why I don't have one. Even the last-year models have some expensive parts-consumption habits.

And to make things worse, the LS500 is a hand grenade so the price on the LS460 isn't falling to a point where you could take a risk.

Henry C.'s avatar

I have been watching clean, lowish milage LS430s go consistently for mid teens on BaT.

Dan's avatar

You can get a really clean E38 for panther money.

Parts aren't that expensive, although repairs will be more frequent. It's worth it though

Julian's avatar

I REALLY want an E38. A friends dad who happens to be our local mechanic owned a 740i M-sport since new, 98 or so.

He sold it because it was too much of an expensive headache for him to deal with (in about 2012), and he owns the auto shop...

Charles's avatar

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-bmw-740i-225/

I had a 96 750iL from about 60k to 100k miles many years ago. I had to replace the fuel rails and worked on the typical BMW suspension clunks from that era, but otherwise it surprisingly trouble free. I really miss the ride... I always preferred the shorter wheelbase looks though. The one in that BaT listing just looks so tidy. Not big on the white or those wheels, but still an all time classic sedan.

Jared's avatar

I adore my new-to-me E38 740i Sport (in Anthracite Metallic, no less!). Previous owner took care of timing chains at my favorite local BMW indy to the tune of $2,600, so it’s just smaller fixes from here on in. That is, until/unless the original 5HP takes a shit, at which point I’ll be sourcing a wrecked E39 540i/6 and manual-swapping it.

Stan Galat's avatar

My niece is married to a guy who had one of these when they met. Gorgeous car -- absolutely breathtaking. It was cherry, too, not a scratch on it.

He ended up selling it for $1500, I think. It had some electronic gremlin requiring unobtainium parts, etc. It was a pretty driveway weight.

KoR's avatar

Perhaps I’m not enough of a risk taker in life, but I cannot possibly imagine that a two valve panther and a 740i have maintenance costs in the same stratosphere.

Donkey Konger's avatar

Save yourself from hell.

Ironically the E38 could make sense in a certain scenario:

-affluent owner

-with solid wrenching skills (able to reinstall valve timing chains)

-WFH job

-3 functional cars

-4 garage bays (the e38 will take two spaces, due to spending 50% of its life disassembled)

In that scenario: endorsed 100%

Slowtege's avatar

Other than, say, a Ford or GM SUV or truck, you're pretty much on the money. If you can DIY, then those LS400 and LS430 choices can pan out if you buy well, but with today's spread of humanity and thus vehicle ownership, that's a big dice roll.

James Burns's avatar

E38 740i’s are excellent looking. I want one for my beater

Slowtege's avatar

Anything within the last 15 years with an 8 AND reliability that's affordable are probably of the body-on-frame architecture. But the domestics have varying degrees of grenade-level V8s since the reintroduction of the Hemi, AFM in GM trucks, and the 3V 5.4L Fords before they made the more complicated Coyotes that I still side-eye whenever I think about wanting a newer Ford.

Steve Ward's avatar

I really wanted to buy a new G8 GT, but a) all the dealers had $5-$10k ADM on them, b) it only came in black interiors. Big NOPE to both.

MD Streeter's avatar

My uncle had a G8 GXP for a while. They lived in highly populated southern states, so it was very useful for pulling out into traffic from their neighborhood.

Edited to correct trim level

Charles's avatar

I've been a part of a product team where the marketing execs gave very little attention to. Just felt like a death march... You go through all of the design, the testing and qualifications but nobody pushes it. GM seems to do that quite often.

Slowtege's avatar

Agreed, GM's "marketing" of the SS was non-existent, which I view as criminal for the kind of car it was. "See, nobody wants one! We'll discontinue it because of that." Ugh.

Stan Galat's avatar

I wasn't even aware they made it, until it was gone.

sgeffe's avatar

Just like with any sticks, seemingly. 10th-Gen Accords case in point.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

do yourself a favor and just get a non WB 392. you'll look like a credit criminal but you'll get something thats not wildly overvalued and you can actually use.

KoR's avatar

Their tendency to disappear in the night, and insurance companies tendency to value them accordingly, has kept me away thus far. Lovely cars though.

Jack Baruth's avatar

The insurance on my 300C has become genuinely unreasonable. It costs me more to insure than my F-250, three Lexus sedans, and eight motorcycles together.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

Merely changing consumer habits.

LyriqalGenius's avatar

Shop around. The companies constantly run you into an algorithm to determine just how high they can raise your rates each year without you shopping around.

Adding my 16yo daughter and her liability-only 2010 X3 doubled my insurance. Shopping around got my rate below my cost before adding my daughter! Recognizable name too with decent ratings.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

many such cases! saved 40% in two phone calls with no change in coverage, name brand to name brand. might be time to shop around again....

KoR's avatar

Yeah I desperately need to do this.

Despite literally nothing changing in my life, the gecko is on a war path to jack my rates up again.

LyriqalGenius's avatar

I should also add that if you have a loan or lease on a vehicle, that factors into their algorithm because it's a hassle to update each lender when you switch companies.

MD Streeter's avatar

I went from over $300 per month with my previous insurer after nearly 10 years of annual rate hikes to less than $150 per month with my current insurer two years ago for essentially the same coverage. So far the current insurer is holding steady.

sgeffe's avatar

Mine actually did go down by a couple hundred bucks annually this year.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Most companies offer introductory "teaser rates" to win the business, then raise rates over time.

In contrast, State Farm rewards loyalty.

It's almost like r/k selection theory: Always Be Shopping or Mate For Life.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

you know why speed. dont act surprised.

Charles's avatar

My interest on the SS auction was in part triggered by the "Internet Factor" where certain checkboxes are fulfilled and therefore gains hero status. And lately, I kinda like plain looking cars that I can have fun in.

Is this not the American E39 M5 that the internet reviewers glow about??

The parts scarcity that Jack mentions is a big concern moving forward but I do miss a everyday V8 sedan... A manual is a big a plus as well. Looks like this one sold for $43k which is definitely getting up there, considering what it was to start with. In that regards, this 300 SRT8 was probably a better bet:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-chrysler-300-srt-2/

I do get your point about relationship to the GTO. Someone in my circle has one of those modern GTOs and he babies it like it was a 1967. I used to give him shit about polishing a turd, but here I am looking at these things!

For me, I think the pricing is the killing factor here...

SBO-very online guy's avatar

the "brown manual wagon" effect. when retards who would rather drink coffee and look at cars rather than drive the crap out of them get an online platform this is what happens.

there is NO doubt in my mind youre better off with a manual camaro, chally, GTO, or (shudders) CTS V. you can open the whole stellantis catalogue if you can accept an auto.

much like 996 C4S or the like, if you can accept auto though, you can get a decently priced runner. ive had thoughts of an auto C4S cabrio for this exact reason.

Charles's avatar

I have a nephew who's I think about 28 now and against my brother's advice, bought a C6 Z06. Read online how it's the best vette! After about 2-3 years of owning, he finally asked me to drive it. I was like: suuuuuure...

I was just surprised when he told me that fastest he's even seen that car go! And I really only redlined to 3rd gear.

Not that I want my nephew to break the law or anything, but to your point...

Sam's avatar

I assume like most here, I'd have been dead or in prison if I had a C6Z at 28. I was close to both a few times in a ~400whp Mazdaspeed3 at that age.

SBO-very online guy's avatar

I'd like to disagree with you but I was still two years away from my first silly fast road car at 28. I think my three cars maybe combined for 600 hp at the time.

Charles's avatar

200 HP can get you in a lot of trouble!

soberD's avatar

Great car, highly recommended with the 6spd.

Slowtege's avatar

The GTOs looked like soapbars, albeit decently-handsome ones. They were helped by the larger wheels and twin-exit exhaust (ok, and the 6.0L) of the 05-06 model years.

I always liked the looks of the SS, and it's in one of my favorite and unobtainable vehicular categories: Big Boats That You Can Row. Like the G8 GXP, running a proper GM smallblock and 6-speed manual in a car is a Very Good Thing. It makes me miss my '97 Camaro Z28, which...I'd still like a 98-02. Someday...

Matthew Horgan's avatar

Do it! I keep an eye out for one with some fleas but that isn’t sideshowed into oblivion.

Donkey Konger's avatar

Ironically this is why it’s lovable in CopTown. None of those guys arw gonna notice. In a Charger or 300c the cops rest their finger on the button for the lights as soon as they make eye contact

Speed's avatar

i really liked the look of that generation gto. clean and uncluttered.

Tom Klockau's avatar

I just assume all polls are bullcrap. It saves time.

Richard Clarke's avatar

I always assume polls are just paid to give a certain result

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks

John Van Stry's avatar

There's only one poll that counts: The one on election day.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

In a final, yes, but I think polls can have a major influence on crowded primaries when it's not initially clear who the "serious candidates" (likely winners) are.

John Van Stry's avatar

The goal of polls, politically, has always been to make people think that the other side is going to win by so large of a margin, that they can stay home. That's why most political polls are rigged.

sgeffe's avatar

Usually so that the Democrat is the one ahead, so that the Republicans stay home.

Adam 12's avatar

In a polimetrics class I took I make the exact point. That the publishing of polls was to influence the outcome. Can I get my A and skip this class?

Professor was not amused.

They take themselves too seriously.

John Van Stry's avatar

I've been in the 'backroom' of the different parties a couple of times, for reasons I won't go into. Hearing what these folks really believe and listen to the boasts and other stuff, yeah, I bet your prof would have been shocked if he knew the reality. People are gullible, Academics even more so (and easily bribed and often cowards to boot).

People wonder how James McKeef (or however you spell it) gets these people talking. Truth is, if they think it's safe, they can't stop. A lot of politicians and their fixers ain't that smart. They've got animal cunning, zero morals, and a hell of a lot of charisma.

And the worst of them aren't afraid to disappear people.

Adam 12's avatar

Absolutely.

Which is why I went a different direction.

Same experiences with the same type of people.

Speed's avatar

sounds exactly like the type of creature that would be great to have on your side and horrible to work against

Colin's avatar

Luckily they have them on each side, so you can have both!

Steve Ward's avatar

where did you find the soap sufficient to cleanse yourself after being in those backrooms?

John Van Stry's avatar

I was getting laid by a hot gal, so I really didn't care. Was educational though.

Landon McMeekin's avatar

"The difference between “slicks” and “R-comps” usually boils down to the internal belt package, which has to be heavier and stiffer in a street-legal tire for purposes of preventing intrustion"

I'm only gonna be a spelling Nazi about this because I actually looked up "intrustion," assuming I was going to learn a new word today.

W.R.T. the Mustang GTD: I don't recall giving much of a damn about it when it was released, but it's clearly fast as hell and I'm impressed by it. Cool car.

W.R.T. Toyota and the Clarkson Diagnostic Procedure: thank you to the reader who broke this down, and if you don't mind outing yourself by responding--some guy is swinging this hammer, right? How does he strike with precisely the same amount of force every time? If he doesn't, why doesn't it matter?

W.R.T. the Chevrolet SS: I do not want to own a vehicle which requires NLA parts shipped from a source on another continent, but I'd dearly like to drive an SS. Just once. I never forgave Chevy for not making an equivalent powertrain available in the Impala.

Edit: of course, I meant the Malibu, not the Impala.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Now I can't even go back and fix it!!!! THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!!!

Henry C.'s avatar

Hammer time: I was thinking the same thing. Wouldn't you want a device that reliably struck with the same force each time?

Jack Baruth's avatar

The piezo pad measures the force and from that you can calculate everything else. If you had a machine that always swung the hammer with the same force, you wouldn't need the piezo pad.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Yes: "Piezoelectricity is the electric charge that accumulates in certain solid materials—such as crystals, certain ceramics, and biological matter such as bone, DNA, and various proteins—in response to applied mechanical stress." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity

More layman-friendly information here: https://hub.yamaha.com/drums/d-electronic/how-do-electronic-drums-work/

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Like with many natural phenomena, the good Lord made sure that the piezoelectric effect works in both directions. If you vibrate a crystal, it will generate an electrical current. If you apply current to a crystal, it will vibrate. The same basic phenomenon is underlying piezoelectric microphones and quartz watches.

The same is true with electromagnetism: move a magnet past a wire and you generate a current, put current in a wire around something ferromagnetic and it becomes a magnet.

If you apply current to a Peltier device, it will create a temperature differential between the two sides. If you apply a temperature different to the two sides, the device will generate current.

Speed's avatar

i wish peltier devices were efficient. imagine putting a ton of them on your roof to be warmed by the sun or in the arctic or some other place of large delta t

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

You'd still need something to calibrate it now and then.

Jack Baruth's avatar

That is true of literally every measurement device like this of which we know. Even stacking blocks

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

That reminds me to pitch a story about "Jo" blocks and Henry Leland's introduction of their use in the car biz.

Yes, there was a time was Cadillac was truly the standard of the world.

Steve Ward's avatar

its been a LONG time since I've heard Jo blocks mentioned.

Chris's avatar

You can get really similar input levels once you get a feel for it.

But mathematically it doesn’t matter because you’re measuring the input force and an output acceleration. So three hits at different levels should give you the same result if the system is linear.

Rick T.'s avatar

I learned the fine art of percussion maintenance watching my father in the early 60’s whack on the RCA black and white tv.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Some mothers of have a generous amount of "intrustion" about their adult children's lives.

Charles's avatar

This hammer test reminds me of a test we had at a hard drive manufacturer I had worked for. It was called the Sammy Hagar Test! All they had to do was play Red and it would crash a head. Some engineer kept killing his drives because apparently he kept listening to Red while he was in the lab! They never nailed down the exact frequency that caused the issue so they just had some test engineer play the song during qualifications as a part of their test plan.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I can't drive 5500 rpm!

Charles's avatar

LOL

Can you imagine the painful process to root cause that bug?

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The story almost made me cry; the experience of being the only engineer who has even heard of Hagar, Metallica, Pearl Jam, or Radiohead is far more painful, and that of long-term unemployment more painful still.

Charles's avatar

What is encouraging is that some of these young people are listening to old music. Not so much Sammy, but the 90s grunge stuff is definitely gaining traction as of late. Radiohead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Weezer... Weird

Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah but we have to be careful. My daughter accidentally attended an "Emo DJ Night" at a club in Charlotte. If we are not careful, we will have young people listening to "Fall Out Boy" and "New Found Glory" which will inevitably lead to them letting other dudes pound their girlfriends

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I meant that all the other engineers are Subcons.

Landon McMeekin's avatar

Any trend which leads to more people listening to Alice in Chains, Mad Season or Temple of the Dog can't be all bad.

Richard Clarke's avatar

43k for that is bonkers!

Still, I hope the new owner enjoys it

Steve Ward's avatar

did you see the link that I posted this weekend to the '72 Pinto that someone wants $24k for?

Stan Galat's avatar

I did not. That must be SOME Pinto.

Gianni's avatar

Key word is “wants”.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Looks like the action has departed to Facebook, but as recently as 2023 this seemed to have reasonable listings: https://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?action=classifieds;cat=11

Gianni's avatar

My best friend in high school had a brown Pinto and my wife had a silver Pinto when we first met. You could not pay me enough to own a Pinto.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Moi non plus, but I thought someone else might.

Speed's avatar

the only thing a pinto is good for is shoving a small block ford into

Rick T.'s avatar

My grandma had a 72 Pinto that she managed to put 6k miles on it in 20 years before she passed. Used to drive into town holding the seatbelt across her lap because she didn’t like the way it hit her neck.

Not sure what happened to it. She did say that the mechanics at the Ford dealer would always ask her if she wanted to sell it. Not sure why. The infamous rear end Pinto case happened less than an hour north of there.

Rick T.'s avatar

I guess the old “lid for every pot” adage applies to more than personal relationships.

Likely not a lot of bumper to bumper drafting when they race?

Charles's avatar

The "enthusiast" car market is absolutely insane these days. I'm guessing it's a bubble of sorts, but then again, we are moving in a rather soulless direction in terms of fun cars, so maybe it is time to grab one while you can!

John Van Stry's avatar

Years ago I pulled up at a light next to a car like that. It's got the racing livery all over it and it sounds mean and there's all sorts of stuff on the side to try and prove that it's fast.

I was on my ZZR1200 and he decided to race me.

It wasn't even close, and I never got out of second gear I left him so far behind.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Well yeah, you're on a ten second bike and he is in a thirteen second car!

Scott A's avatar

Even my moderate street triple is a ten second bike. Id have to spend serious money to get a stock ten second car

Richard Clarke's avatar

hey I just wanted to get the temperature of what the best and brightest think of this in relation to these 'flock' cameras.

'You see a hot chick, you don’t look them up in a database. That’s not what it’s for'

https://www.404media.co/i-saw-a-shiny-thing-cop-explains-why-he-used-license-plate-reader-to-stalk-woman/

Richard Clarke's avatar

if I was writing a comedy cop show I could not come up with a funnier line than that.

KoR's avatar

Where is Reno 911 when we need it most

Richard Clarke's avatar

they could not come up with dialogue like out of that video

Slowtege's avatar

Where is Shane Gillis for this when we need it? It'd be gold.

Scott's avatar

This is why I am a limited government person in every way. You give any human the chance to abuse power and a large percentage of them will do it. Small government that can’t reach out and touch/photograph you will have to leave you alone.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

“Could we tolerate a national system in which certain people on the basis of a biomarker are segregated?” Ramaswamy asked on the podcast, according to Contra. He answered his own question: “I personally think that it is better than the status quo if we can send 10 or 20 percent of the people back on the basis of having immunity.”

A discussion draft obtained by Contra showed Ramaswamy proposing a “public-private partnership” featuring an entity he called “Organization X” — described as “a division of government, a private company, or a nonprofit organization” — that would maintain “the registry of individuals who are immune and individuals who should be prioritized for testing.”

Five days after the Rockefeller podcast appearance, The Wall Street Journal reported that Datavant was “spearheading” an effort to create a national COVID-19 patient registry by pooling medical records. By November 2020, Datavant had entered into a partnership with the National COVID Cohort Collaborative — a program funded by the National Institutes of Health, according to the company’s own press release at the time.

https://tiffinohio.net/posts/ramaswamy-backed-covid-segregation-as-firm-got-2-25b/

Colin's avatar

Wait what?? Explain this please?

Steve Ward's avatar

my translation: VR is Evil and shouldn't be elected dog catcher in a one horse town.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The full explanation would be quite lengthy: for starters, did you read the article I linked and click on its links?

You can try both of these:

https://xcancel.com/emeriticus/status/1729913580466626893

https://x.com/emeriticus/status/1729913580466626893

Also, this is the original conference call: https://www.rockco.com/unique-network/uniquely-rockefeller-special-client-event-vivek-ramaswamy/

But a short explanation is that "Scott" is a {Ramaswamy} voter, and I think {Ramaswamy} is a major threat both as a governor and even worse as a future President if we don't strangle his career in the crib. I have a habit of politely documenting how his candidate's behavior, alliances, and positions contradict his stated positions (which I generally agree with, including in this case). Mostly for the benefit of any Ohioans who hold similar beliefs but are willing to consider the (voluminous) evidence and change their minds.

sgeffe's avatar

Unfortunately, I don’t want Amy Acton anywhere close to power either! (Demo Governor candidate who was the top health person during ‘Rona, and advised to keep Ohio locked down.)

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I don't want Acton in power either.

But you know that {Ramasamy} ALSO advised Ohio on COVID-19, and paid Wikipedia to remove his service on Ohio's "COVID-19 Response Team" from his Wikipedia page? And, as above, that his OWN COVID record is probably WORSE than Acton's (above links, plus https://archive.ph/rM8Ll )?

Can you please help me understand:

1) Why is Acton's COVID record disqualifying, but {Ramaswamy's}, which is similar and probably WORSE (albeit he was NOT a government health official whose job required him to address COVID, but a volunteer proposing totalitarianism for personal gain), not?

2) If both candidates have similar COVID records, why won't you consider looking at other factors?

3) Have you considered that if both candidates are equally bad, the one who is the same party as the legislature will be able to do more harm?

Colin's avatar

Sorry, I was reading fast and didn't realize that this was a story from 2020. So to paraphrase (lets piss of Sherman too) VR is just like all of the other east asians and is looking out for #1, all other creatures and plants be damned. Here for that $$, fuck your freedom, get in the bread line you low IQ bitch.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

South, not East, and remember that they are a strongly collectivist culture. I wish that {VR}were an individualist acting alone, but he is closely allied with the Hindu Supremacist {Modi} government, which is one of the worst in the world for persecuting Christians, and I have reason to suggest that he will use his office not just for himself, but for HIS PEOPLE.

Essential Links:

What {VR}, his wife {Apoorva}, and children {Karthik, Arjun, Savithri (born in February; nice American name)} are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Citizenship_of_India

Father is NOT a US citizen (note the bare feet): https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/vivek-ramaswamy-my-father-made-a-choice-not-to-become-an-american-citizen-193440837812

{Modi link}: https://x.com/ANI/status/1890135477501718918 (note father-IN-LAW)

References for some of the transnational Hindu Supremacist organizations which are colonizing the West: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangh_Parivar

ITServe arguably belongs to the list, {VR} was scheduled to be the keynote speaker for their most recent annual conference.

Persecution: https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/2025-11/2025%20Issue%20Systematic%20Religious%20Persecution%20in%20India%20%28002%29.pdf

Speed's avatar

i want a large enough govt to do the impossible things my side cant do alone

i want all the power possible and to actually use it instead of being the one its used against

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

The legal / political world is maddeningly retarded about this sort of thing. You simply cannot give large numbers of people access to data and say "they're not supposed to abuse it," any more than you would leave a Ferrari unlocked and running outside of a Compton 7-11 because "auto theft is a felony."

Richard Clarke's avatar

you should be able to trust cops, though right?

they are relatively very well paid

they know everything you do on the system is logged

How hot must that chick have been, for the guy to throw his career away, and act like that ?

I think I need to see a picture of her before I condemn him too much

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

"you should be able to trust cops, though right?"

LOL, no, not on that level. There are 17,985 AGENCIES in the US, and about 1.2 million LEOs in 2008[1]. Many of those 1.2 million are "gypsy cops" who have recently resigned in disgrace in a different jurisdiction[2]. Even a small percentage of "bad apples" can do a lot of damage, and the technology allows even one bad actor to do significant damage nationwide.

It's a bit like how the Naked Mile began in the 1980s as a risqué end-of-year college prank, where exposure was limited to whomever happened to be around at the moment, but by the turn of the century included 10,000 spectators, TV news crews, and Internet pornographers. The latter who intended to memorialize the exposure worldwide in perpetuity.

Also, would you "trust cops" to wiretap all of your communications? Why not, since you have nothing to hide, and the cops are the good guys?

(There are broader constitutional / civil liberties questions about whether the government tracking EVERY citizen's EVERY MOVE, NATIONWIDE, FOREVER is consistent with the Bill of Rights.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#Police_population

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_officer

Scott A's avatar

you should be able to trust cops, though right?

Lol. No. Cops run the gamut of asshole to decent like every other profession.

Stan Galat's avatar

Policing tends to attract more than their fair share of bullies, bad-boys, and dudes who just want "to BE the law".

Scott's avatar

I know what you mean by “you should be able to trust cops”, and maybe in theory. I would suggest in practice any time you or your family are involved with the police (hopefully never) you say nothing because everything will be held against you and used to convict you of something. Same goes for any federal agent. Lawyers are expensive but sometimes you need them.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

"Don't Talk to the Police," Regent University School of Law: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

Scott A's avatar

Like when robert paulson gets shot in the head

"WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN"

This is so predictable. I can just search anyone anywhere at anytime and there's not any sort of system stop to this. Oh no, it was misused.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Q: "Where do you keep your guns?"

A: "In the children's playroom, between the play kitchen and the Matchbox car track."

Q: "What did you do to prevent children from accessing the guns?"

A: "I told them not to."

-----

Q: "What employees had the ability to transfer funds from the pension account?"

A: "Only the CFO."

Q: "What mechanism did the CFO use to transfer funds?"

A: "He logged in to the computer system."

Q: "Did anyone besides the CFO have the ability to log in to the computer system?"

A: "Oh, yes, every employee"

Q: "Every employee? What would employees besides the CFO use the system for?"

A: "Purchasing. Payroll. All of the hourly employees, like our retail associates, the warehouse guys, janitors; they all needed to log into the system to log their time."

Q: "But they wouldn't have access to transfer funds outside of the pension account?"

A: "They weren't supposed to."

Q: "What prevented them, technically?"

A: "It was against company policy to access subsystems beyond the scope of their duties."

Q: OBJECTION: NON-RESPONSIVE

JUDGE: SUSTAINED

Q: "What technical safeguards were there to prevent access to other subsystems?"

A: "We didn't really have subsystems."

Q: "What did you have?"

A: "We ran Quickbooks"

Q: "So everyone logged into Quickbooks?"

A: "Yes; everybody who wanted to get paid!"

Q: "What was the process for 'logging in?'"

A: "There was one computer, but we enabled remote access so people could log in."

Q: "Did it require a username and password?"

A: "Yes, we used 'User' and 'Password'"

Q: "Let me clarify: did each employee have a separate username and password?"

A: "Oh, no, nothing complicated like that. People just logged in and did their business."

Q: "Including transferring funds from the pension account?"

A: "Only if they were the CFO."

Q: "Or anyone with the same username and password as the CFO, which was everyone, right?"

A: "Well, I guess so; I never thought of it that way."

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I was a LAN manager for a DuPont site with about 800 employees, a similar number of PCs/Macs, and our own local servers. Every Saturday night I went into the lab to swap out the backup tapes.

For a while, my office was in the Automotive Coatings HQ across the street from the lab where the IT dept was located. When I commuted by bicycle, every morning I'd have to clip-clok down the hall in my bike shoes to ask the receptionist for the key to the storage room so I could stash my bike. The only things being stored in that room were Christmas decorations and some old, obsolete laptops (like 286 based obsolete). They wouldn't let me keep a copy of the key even though I explained that as an Admin on the LAN I was already being trusted with billions of dollars worth of proprietary information.

In retrospect, I wonder what BASF or PPG would have paid for a set of those tapes.

Jason Kodat's avatar

This is also a stunning line:

Flock’s CEO Garrett Langley is saying that its system has “caught a lot of bad cops. It’s a ton. It’s more than I ever would have hoped.”

Jack Baruth's avatar

What a pivot! And what brilliance, to spin

"The bad cops are using our privacy-destruction machine to destroy privacy, who coulda thunk it" to

"Look at us uncovering the bad actors!"

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Thank you Flock Police Integrity Surveillance System (PISS)!

Speed's avatar

tear them down

and then some

A. Brooks's avatar

I ended up picking up one of the watch dives aquanauts a few months ago on a whim as a beater for work. Much like jacks initial thoughts, I never got the appeal of the patek sports watches at any price much less what they go for. Since getting it, it hasn’t left my wrist and I wear it to almost anything. Something about it just clicks in person

Scott A's avatar

It cost me $110 to confirm yet again I am not a watch person. I did wear it for 3 weeks longer than the last one.

CJinSD's avatar

I'd been wondering what your take was on Liam Lawson regularly being recognized as one of the standout drivers of the season so far. I guess you haven't been moved.

I'm glad I'm not responsible for modeling election outcomes these days. Have we reached the stage where an academic can quote Stalin's insight on who really counts in elections?

MD Streeter's avatar

My county apparently had a very difficult time counting the votes for the primary. Is this a public thread? I probably shouldn't say too much else then.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"I'd been wondering what your take was on Liam Lawson regularly being recognized as one of the standout drivers of the season so far. I guess you haven't been moved."

I'll stand by my comments a month ago: "Red Bull finally managed to find someone who can't beat Lawson." I don't see anything to suggest that he has improved and in some aspects, like wheel to wheel racecraft, he seems to be getting worse!

CJinSD's avatar

I was happy to humor you until you said he seems to be getting worse at wheel-to-wheel competition. His finishing percentage is high, and his car isn't pointing the wrong direction as often as not, suggesting that he has improved quite a bit at wheel-to-wheel racecraft.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Well, I don't wish him any ill, so let's hope he shows Red Bull what he needs to show them.

CJinSD's avatar

I don't think he's amazing, but I do think he could have finished third in the WDC in last year's McLaren. Any professional driver should be capable of at least that.

Steve Ward's avatar

oh yes, we need an update

Jack Baruth's avatar

He had to leave his tent today for a little bit of housecleaning. He consented to eat a McDonald's hamburger and be handled with past-the-elbow Kevlar gloves. Which, were he in a mood to be difficult, would not have sufficed. His wounds have healed and he has put on weight.

Fat Baby Driver's avatar

That’s great.

Jack Baruth's avatar

There is a new Cat Tales in progress and we will get a glamour shot of him!

Steve Ward's avatar

Good to hear he has healed.

“Past the elbow Kevlar gloves”. LOL. Maybe a full Kevlar suit + helmet like the serious loggers wear.

Jack Baruth's avatar

We need the Troy Hurtubise bear suit. Which *might* suffice.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

Those Opus X cigars with the predominantly black bands and the “13” motif are “Forbidden X” cigars.

Which are generally excellent.

You should smoke them all over the next few days.

Colin's avatar

I looked them up. $1600/box!!

Wyatt LCB's avatar

WOAH

Speed's avatar

thats what i said when he mentioned them last week

about 100 cad each almost

Sherman McCoy's avatar

20 count box to be fair.

That’s a fair price.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Which is why I was so pleased to bring them to Woodward and share them with ACF readers as a thank-you.

Unfortunately, it turns out that the average high-end cigar store cannot deliver cigars in eight days even if you pay for "overnight" shipping. It took ten days for them to fulfill.

Steve Ward's avatar

and along the lines of our previous discussion of Stutz and Excalibur gems, there is this for your consideration: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1596043622109529/ a lovely Chevette with continental kit!

Stan Galat's avatar

Oh, how I want that.

Speed's avatar

i feel only the slightest envy toward the blind

Steve Ward's avatar

and seems GM really knows how to motivate its employees: https://phoebewallhoward.substack.com/p/fired-gm-engineer-alleges-job-review

Jack Baruth's avatar

Return of the stack

Return of the stack!

Gianni's avatar

Welch’s contribution to the world.

Scott's avatar

The Hong polls and the GTD reporting are potentially the same story- the media wants something to be true, and doesn’t see it as poor journalism to effectively promote something they think is better, because normal Americans are to stupid to really understand, or something like that, or the reporter legitimately doesn’t understand how their bias shines though their work for all to see.

I hadn’t thought about the prediction site angle, that is interesting to consider, and would really be interesting to know if anyone was all-in on her (Hong) losing, and who those people are. I assume we can’t know that level of detail, for one reason or another. I realize some or many of you will find this naive and that there has to be a more sinister plot behind the scenes in the media, and maybe there is, but I often fall back to the belief that goes something like “be careful suspecting ill intent from someone when basic stupidity is a possible alternative” and I, for the most part, think your average media hack is not intelligent at all. Jack may give his thoughts on what he has seen, but I find zero intelligence in a lot of what I read, especially when I know the subject material.

I am also biased in my own ways- I find that the ability to write, even well, to be nothing special, because when (potentially) good writing has poor analysis you end up with garbage. It would make sense to me that you can’t get a journalism bachelor’s degree- you should have to get a degree in anything else first (well, science, engineering, come on learn something!), so you actually learn something. Make journalism a masters level activity once someone has a degree in science or engineering and understands basic concepts of the real world. In 2026, you can read an article written by someone who is 22 years old and has done nothing but grow up in Greenwich or San Francisco, attend J-school, and is now qualified to tell you what to think. This is why the media is failing/has been failing and will not recover, they cannot perform the simplest of tasks- to just report the facts.

Sean's avatar

Great great post. This should be published

And excellent idea on journalism only being a possible grad degree

Jack Baruth's avatar

"The Hong polls and the GTD reporting are potentially the same story- the media wants something to be true, and doesn’t see it as poor journalism"

Absolutely

Morgan's avatar

Counterpoint: Journalism doesn't need a degree at all.

Scott's avatar

Of course it doesn’t, that is a fine point. My point is if you are being awarded a degree in journalism through a college program.

Charles's avatar

Yeah, based on the results, kids must have seen journalism as a job that just allows them to tell people how they feel.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

So it's like being a musician or songwriter, but available to the talentless & lazy?

Charles's avatar

Well, I have a niece who wants to be an actor after all of the other attempts at education fell apart. I don't know how to tell her, if you want to actually make money doing that, you need a lot of talent and also work hard like any other profession... Same with musicians. I see ones with no talent but you know what, they sure have fun!

Steve Ward's avatar

Sigh. “Starving artists” is such a real thing.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Starving STEM is the new starving artist.

Charles's avatar

To me, the way Americans and Europeans promoted STEM was nothing compared to the Indian and the Chinese populations. However, once they don't need the coders anymore, send back the folks with H1Bs to their home nations! Perhaps there was a genius plan behind it all...

Steve Ward's avatar

Except most engineers that I know are TERRIBLE writers.