In Ohio, the worst offenders are in Silverados. Every time I witness the near-death of Amish children at the hands of some Oakley-wearing pole-smoker, there's a Silverado involved.
Doing my best to ~check my bias!~ because some old dude just mansplained to me why I need to do so. But the fact is that when I see a vehicle driven aggressively 8/10 times it’s actually a BOF domestic and the other 1.5/2 times it’s a Nissan.
0.5 times it’s an enthusiast vehicle, and 50% of those times it’s still a stellantis product.
Which is weird to me--in PA, Silverados are the only ones I *don't* see tailgating the Elise (at least among the half-ton crowd; the 3/4 and larger tend to be better about realizing how long their trucks take to stop) and in fact I'm quite often found yelling at them to achieve the fucking speed limit already....
I have been around here since Day One and at Riverside Green before that, and I am honesty mystified by the statement that at ACF “…… there is a distinct hatred for the average American and the ‘unsophisticated’ lifestyle choices that define them.”
I don’t see this here at all and wouldn’t be here if it was true.
I kind of feel what you’re saying, but I also would see jack’s point here if the self-loathing he speaks of is a characterization of the water surrounding the fish, not the fish itself.
This cultural air were breathing isn’t air of course. It’s farts and the farts emanate from the prestige press and social media. And the prestige media wants you disenfranchised and to steal your house !
I didn't like HD because it reminded me of GM: poorly managed idiots who couldn't compete with Suzuki. Much preferred Buell. Add IBM and HP to the list.
There have been some periods of decent management at HD, their biggest failure is designing products that appeal to the younger demographic, Harley survives inspite of itself, mostly because the aftermarket keeps the older machines viable.
"What my cohort eventually wants, although we have trouble articulating it, is a genuine upscale New American art, product, music, and social culture/scene"
I think this is mostly over the target. I don't hate Harley riders but I do hate that Harley doesn't make a class-leading product. And if you can't be world class then at least be Trans Am WS6 dick-out about it. I do connect with H-D but I want them to pull it together.
Jack, you outdid yourself. You might be the only media figure (don't take that label as an insult) who engaged with a counterpoint, actually reflected upon the contrast, and then wrote to your readership just as forcefully about how the counterpoint challenged your initial point. It was thoughtful, eloquent, and sincere.
You often say you appreciate your readers... Jack, we really appreciate you.
"disproportionate cultural and financial influence held by older people."
Im a Xenniel and I laugh at this. Folks who say this forgot about boomers paying 15 percent on a house in the 70s. How about all the boomers who lost retirement either because the company they worked at folded after 25 years or the company got bought and got an "equatable" 401K contribution instead.
I work with a few 25 year old engineers and are accutely aware how poor their boomer grand parents are for all sorts of reason.
Where I live, the housing market price has been disproportionately going up due to Covid and Federal realignment which has been going on for years. These 25 year old engineers are getting 100k a year and can't afford a house but a few of them can't be bothered with giving up their 20 dollar a day food truck lunches and 10 dollar a day Starbucks runs.
I didn't buy my first house untill 33, and that was with paying lender paid PMI and having 10 percent down, which requires bringing lunches to work and waiting on having a nice car.
I just learned that im unique. Im upper middle class, have only owned American brand cars, was not raised anti American and im on the tail end of being Gen-X.
I can say that you're description of who my average friend or pier is is spot on. Right down to purchasing a BMW until they die and turning their nose up at my choice of vehicle.
The interesting part is that i also work with many well to do that drive the lifted F350 or ride the Harley. Ive never looked at them any different, but thats probably just me. I also work with 600+ poor people who don't understand any English and don't own a car. I also don't look at them any different.
Im either messed up in the head or I was just raised differently (not progressive).
Well said Jack. The NYT article is but one in a long line of jabs at boomers. They have too much money, their houses are too big, and they simply stand in the way (mostly) of our betters plans for the future. I'm thinking in honor of this drivel I'll air condition the garage this summer so the Mustang GT and F-150 can stay in comfort.
Fear not Jeff H. I proudly consider myself “high class white trash”. I enjoy most things low class American; ‘divorced dad’ rock, bad 80s, cheap thill cars, dive bars and trashy women - even if all I can do is look.
I hate everyone equally unless you are a golden retriever. That’s fun.
I also don’t care for professional sports and cheap beer SO, maybe I’m just on a part of the spectrum without encompassing the entire rainbow of low class flavors.
Harleys are cool until people start cosplaying. That’s generally my line in the sand. I like a full fender FatBoy style with chrome wire wheels, thick white walls and a two tone tank / theme with a cream / white inlay. Sort of like driving a 2 wheeled ‘57 Chevy. That’s a pretty low bar I guess.
Anyhow, it’s good to have rivals or a nemesis. Keeps you grounded and your thoughts open; a Yin without a Yang is boring.
Reminder: If you gave money to Grassroots Motorsports in/around 2020, you had a hand in funding this SPLC nonsense.
As for the drywall contractor: I don’t hate him because he drives a Ram (or more likely a K2XX with bubbling tint and a Chinese spacer lift), but because he’s unreliable and shows up on time.
Residential trades are the bottom of the barrel. Few do good work, and even fewer show up on time. It would be easier to replace one of doctors than it would be my plumber.
The New York media establishment has always had a hatred of America and telling the truth, the denial of the Holocaust while it was happening, they didn’t have to be American, they hated the Jewish society just like they treat the Boomers, part of it is identity politics and part of it is a hatred of free will, the leftist media establishment really wants is a communist society that has no borders, part of this is Fabianism, the slow shifting of the Overton Window , always in the direction of socialism, it is more about control of all lower classes, which would be the vast majority once those in power eliminate those that helped them establish their monolithic societies.
I don’t hate people who buy Rams because of what Ram represents. I hate people who drive Rams because of how they DRIVE said trucks.
In Ohio, the worst offenders are in Silverados. Every time I witness the near-death of Amish children at the hands of some Oakley-wearing pole-smoker, there's a Silverado involved.
Doing my best to ~check my bias!~ because some old dude just mansplained to me why I need to do so. But the fact is that when I see a vehicle driven aggressively 8/10 times it’s actually a BOF domestic and the other 1.5/2 times it’s a Nissan.
0.5 times it’s an enthusiast vehicle, and 50% of those times it’s still a stellantis product.
The Silverado is the best-selling truck in Ohio; that is surely part of the reason.
Which is weird to me--in PA, Silverados are the only ones I *don't* see tailgating the Elise (at least among the half-ton crowd; the 3/4 and larger tend to be better about realizing how long their trucks take to stop) and in fact I'm quite often found yelling at them to achieve the fucking speed limit already....
I have been around here since Day One and at Riverside Green before that, and I am honesty mystified by the statement that at ACF “…… there is a distinct hatred for the average American and the ‘unsophisticated’ lifestyle choices that define them.”
I don’t see this here at all and wouldn’t be here if it was true.
I like that we can see it both ways.
I kind of feel what you’re saying, but I also would see jack’s point here if the self-loathing he speaks of is a characterization of the water surrounding the fish, not the fish itself.
This cultural air were breathing isn’t air of course. It’s farts and the farts emanate from the prestige press and social media. And the prestige media wants you disenfranchised and to steal your house !
Yeah. Me too on longevity here, and sure don’t see either.
I didn't like HD because it reminded me of GM: poorly managed idiots who couldn't compete with Suzuki. Much preferred Buell. Add IBM and HP to the list.
Exactly. I love Cadillac and that's what makes their instances of self-immolation so shitty to witness.
There have been some periods of decent management at HD, their biggest failure is designing products that appeal to the younger demographic, Harley survives inspite of itself, mostly because the aftermarket keeps the older machines viable.
What has happened to IBM is a tragedy on a level with the fall of some Western civilizations.
"What my cohort eventually wants, although we have trouble articulating it, is a genuine upscale New American art, product, music, and social culture/scene"
I think this is mostly over the target. I don't hate Harley riders but I do hate that Harley doesn't make a class-leading product. And if you can't be world class then at least be Trans Am WS6 dick-out about it. I do connect with H-D but I want them to pull it together.
GET OFF MY LAWN thoughts come to mind after this one.
Jack, you outdid yourself. You might be the only media figure (don't take that label as an insult) who engaged with a counterpoint, actually reflected upon the contrast, and then wrote to your readership just as forcefully about how the counterpoint challenged your initial point. It was thoughtful, eloquent, and sincere.
You often say you appreciate your readers... Jack, we really appreciate you.
"disproportionate cultural and financial influence held by older people."
Im a Xenniel and I laugh at this. Folks who say this forgot about boomers paying 15 percent on a house in the 70s. How about all the boomers who lost retirement either because the company they worked at folded after 25 years or the company got bought and got an "equatable" 401K contribution instead.
I work with a few 25 year old engineers and are accutely aware how poor their boomer grand parents are for all sorts of reason.
Where I live, the housing market price has been disproportionately going up due to Covid and Federal realignment which has been going on for years. These 25 year old engineers are getting 100k a year and can't afford a house but a few of them can't be bothered with giving up their 20 dollar a day food truck lunches and 10 dollar a day Starbucks runs.
I didn't buy my first house untill 33, and that was with paying lender paid PMI and having 10 percent down, which requires bringing lunches to work and waiting on having a nice car.
I just learned that im unique. Im upper middle class, have only owned American brand cars, was not raised anti American and im on the tail end of being Gen-X.
I can say that you're description of who my average friend or pier is is spot on. Right down to purchasing a BMW until they die and turning their nose up at my choice of vehicle.
The interesting part is that i also work with many well to do that drive the lifted F350 or ride the Harley. Ive never looked at them any different, but thats probably just me. I also work with 600+ poor people who don't understand any English and don't own a car. I also don't look at them any different.
Im either messed up in the head or I was just raised differently (not progressive).
Well said Jack. The NYT article is but one in a long line of jabs at boomers. They have too much money, their houses are too big, and they simply stand in the way (mostly) of our betters plans for the future. I'm thinking in honor of this drivel I'll air condition the garage this summer so the Mustang GT and F-150 can stay in comfort.
The subtext of the NYT is that their jabs at Boomers are just a way to express their hate for old white people with money.
The term Boomer just obfuscates what they really want to say.
You will never see an article about poor old white people stuck in crime ridden neighborhoods with a bunch of people that don’t look like them.
All of this is sad but true.
Fear not Jeff H. I proudly consider myself “high class white trash”. I enjoy most things low class American; ‘divorced dad’ rock, bad 80s, cheap thill cars, dive bars and trashy women - even if all I can do is look.
I hate everyone equally unless you are a golden retriever. That’s fun.
I also don’t care for professional sports and cheap beer SO, maybe I’m just on a part of the spectrum without encompassing the entire rainbow of low class flavors.
Harleys are cool until people start cosplaying. That’s generally my line in the sand. I like a full fender FatBoy style with chrome wire wheels, thick white walls and a two tone tank / theme with a cream / white inlay. Sort of like driving a 2 wheeled ‘57 Chevy. That’s a pretty low bar I guess.
Anyhow, it’s good to have rivals or a nemesis. Keeps you grounded and your thoughts open; a Yin without a Yang is boring.
Reminder: If you gave money to Grassroots Motorsports in/around 2020, you had a hand in funding this SPLC nonsense.
As for the drywall contractor: I don’t hate him because he drives a Ram (or more likely a K2XX with bubbling tint and a Chinese spacer lift), but because he’s unreliable and shows up on time.
Residential trades are the bottom of the barrel. Few do good work, and even fewer show up on time. It would be easier to replace one of doctors than it would be my plumber.
And when a GRM subscriber questioned the SPLC donation on a GRM forum, the publisher’s wife told the subscriber to die in a fire.
Great, classy people. They make me glad I race a Radical SR8 and not whatever they consider "grassroots".
'Reminder: If you gave money to Grassroots Motorsports in/around 2020, you had a hand in funding this SPLC nonsense.'
That cannot be over emphasized. The Suddards can suck the dick up till they hiccup.
"It would be easier to replace one of doctors than it would be my plumber."
If I had a little more flexibility in my joints, I'd become a plumber. No one EVER argues rate with a plumber.
The New York media establishment has always had a hatred of America and telling the truth, the denial of the Holocaust while it was happening, they didn’t have to be American, they hated the Jewish society just like they treat the Boomers, part of it is identity politics and part of it is a hatred of free will, the leftist media establishment really wants is a communist society that has no borders, part of this is Fabianism, the slow shifting of the Overton Window , always in the direction of socialism, it is more about control of all lower classes, which would be the vast majority once those in power eliminate those that helped them establish their monolithic societies.
The Idea that Americans don’t have a culture, only dark color skins can have a culture, people who think this are evil.