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0-Toto is angling to hire a Dutchman for next year, unless you’re talking about Helmut Marko!

1-Ferrari is under strife BIGLY now; Vasseur and Italian journalists sniping at each other, and I’m sure Luigi Hamiltone’s presence ain’t helping.

2-Stake / Kick / Sauber / SAudi (with Qatari cash!) brought a substantial upgrade to Barcelona, and - e.g. - Williams have been conspicuously slower since the flexi wing TD arrived.

3-I watched about 17 hours of this year’s Le Mans, and I was delighted with my decision to hit the hay at about 1 AM when I awoke at 7 AM to learn that just about nothing had changed.

There has been a lot of whining about Balance of Performance, which might as well be called Balance of Potential (not Outcome). The Ferraris were hamstrung on paper, but they were imperious during much of the race. Kubica’s, ahem, manhandling of the competition just makes Princess George look even better, given the young Brit waxed the Pole during his rookie year.

4-The less said about F1 “fashion” (see the “F1” movie red carpet pictures) the better. Esteban fucking Ocon was the best dressed in the group picture!

5-Government Motors is referring to their latest Plastic Fantastic as a “hypercar.” Jesus wept. Gordon Murray can sell out the run of any of his hypercars with one press release; hypercars that deploy half the power of the BowTied Bad Boy at 10X the cost.

6-My favorite Tom Wolfe quote about women of a certain age:

“‘The New Cookie’ … the girl in her twenties for whom the American male now customarily shucks his wife of two to four decades, when the electrolysis gullies appear above her upper lip”

You cannot un-see the electrolysis gullies, no matter how hard you try.

Ataraxis's avatar

Tom McGuane: “I like young girls. Their stories are shorter.”

Gianni's avatar

https://youtu.be/H2LQMElLoLs?si=5Tx36iavnBePzYie

Banned in Canada because of the midgets. Wonder if Speed can see it?

Speed's avatar

i can

this somehow seems more likely to put me on a list (other than the ones im probably already on) than kanye wests new music

Ice Age's avatar

Wait, it was the MIDGETS that got this banned? Not the psycho soccer hooligan dude?

Gianni's avatar

When Danny Elfman wrote the songs for the album this came off of, he said each song on Only A Lad was written to offend someone. This song was aimed at Hollywood producers and their casting couch.

redlineblue's avatar

Is it ‘Casablanca’ ? Seems draconian, they’re only there a minute..

Gianni's avatar

The Le Mans Hypercars are seriously ugly, and I can’t tell them apart, except for the BMW, where they grafted nostrils on it. I could tell a 962 from a LC2. 963 from 499P? Nope.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

There are LMH and LMDh cars racing in the combined Hypercar class. LMH is the ACO way of going about things, and LMDh is the cheapo, cut rate, semi-spec IMSA wannabe way of going about things.

The Ferrari is an LMH, which permits (requires) Ferrari to design and construct their own chassis. NFW would Ferrari deign to put their own engine into someone else’s chassis, even Dallara. The 499P is a Ferrari through and through, and Amato Ferrari’s team operates both the factory and the “privateer” cars; the winner was the privateer entry funded by Orlen, the Polish gas company (Kubica’s sponsor).

Porsche, curiously, went the cheap LMDh route. They also elected to contract the running of the program out to a third party, Cheating Roger Penske.

Porsche should have known that the ACO would not be desirous of an LMDh winning their bleu riband event, but they took the shortcut. There are some commentators claiming that “Porsche will just build an LMH and show Ferrari and the others who’s really boss at Le Mans.”

Look at the Porsche AG (not SE) stock chart: it’s scraping along at a 52 week low while Oliver Blume anxiously adjusts his backside on an increasingly warmer seat. Will the board green light a new prototype when the rules are set through 2032? Doubtful. Porsche will poke their bottom lip out and pout - as they did post-race - and hope the ACO throws them a bone in the future.

Luke Holmes's avatar

Style is intuitive for the French. I personally thought Gasly was dressed better than Ocon but there's not much between them. I will never be able to think of Hadjar as a Frenchman. He's an African Arab and it shows in his clothing.

The Japanese are always very aware of fashion and I like Tsunoda's suit for the fact it is very fashionable. It would be fun to wear but does not make the statement that the tailored suits make.

The Hulk meanwhile is showing his age. His outfit would have been spot on in a nightclub in 2001. I wonder if he was planning on slinking off half way through.

Piastri turned up but he was wearing shorts and got kicked out. West Australians (like Riccardo) can dress with style but in Melbourne everyone is still trying to be a hipster.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

It struck me that Gasly was dressed (sort of) like a Milanese businessman; he lives in Milan (and Dubai), since his French passport precludes him from the Monaco tax advantages.

I sent this to Jack last night after he and I went back and forth on the “fashion” displayed:

https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1934883456145871008?s=10

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It's so weird how the F1 drivers come across as outsiders.

The pinnacle of physical fitness and ample wealth to boot, and the news would still rather talk about Albon's girlfriend than him.

I suppose they're essentially nerdy boys and there ain't nobody interested in those!

Sherman McCoy's avatar

To make it to F1 you have to make it through a lot of filters; there are only 20 (22 next year ) seats vs. ~1,700 NFL roster slots:

-Money / backing, connections

-Ability and willingness to sacrifice a conventional childhood and schooling to prioritize climbing the karting and single seater ladder

-Despite the lack of educational credentials, relatively high IQ is probably necessary given the engineering feedback they must be able to provide (think also of the strategic nous of Vettel, Alonso, Sainz mid-race)

To be fair, they are also dressed by brand partners and stylists since they are celebrities, of a sort. You ain’t gonna get flicked up by a photog if you show up to a movie premiere wearing a dark blue worsted two button notch lapel suit, a light blue dress shirt, an Hermes tie, and black cap toes.

Julian's avatar

In a way, that traditional blue business suit may actually attract more attention nowadays as the unconventional has become the norm.

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It’s not necessarily the case that a (male) star / client / whatever would have access to a tailor if they’re being dressed by a brand (i.e., in a deal).

For example: Leclerc is or at least was a Giorgio Armani-sponsored celebrity, and he is seen frequently wearing Brunello Cucinelli, as are Toto Wolff and George Russell. The suit he is wearing might be Brunello (it sort of looks like archival Armani - think American Gigolo) MTM or bespoke, but it obviously doesn’t fit him.

That doesn’t really matter, because most people seeing the pics will think:

-Wow, Charles Leclerc!

-He’s got it made: Handsome, lives in Monaco, drives for Ferrari, has a fleet of Ferraris, has a Riva

-Seems like a nice guy, too

-OF COURSE Leclerc is “dressing Old Money” [🤮], because he’s from Monaco

-One day when I’m handsome, rich, and beloved like Charles Leclerc, I will dress like him too

-Hmm … I want something from Cucinelli

seatosky's avatar

They’re jockeys, that’s mostly it

Speed's avatar

some people have said that sushi tunoda looks like hes ready for the 2002 nba draft and its hilarious

Julian's avatar

Japanese fashion moves to its own beat, and is still traditional looking in its own way with the classic suits "remixed"

Luke Holmes's avatar

I'm old enough to be tripped out by the 2002 fashion coming around again.

Isn't he a bit short for the NBA?

MNBA perhaps?

Gianni's avatar

I just got the Austrian joke. I’m getting slow in my old age.

Tom Klockau's avatar

Kia, Honda, Tesla, Jeep.

How about no, Scott.

calm's avatar

Divorce laws used to disincentivize divorce. Now they incentivize it. Only way to reverse that is to make it so there is no payout to whatever party files over “irreconcilable differences”. There has to be some showing of fault.

Ice Age's avatar

A marriage used to be a legal contract, breakable only in cases of provable adultery or abuse.

And regarding "irreconcilable differences," my mom and dad are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year. My dad loves to read and my mom sees such a thing as a luxury, because there's plenty to do around the house. Those are irreconcilable differences, and THEY'RE still together.

sgeffe's avatar

Because the guy is always screwed; even if SHE was getting another pen in the inkwell, he ends up in a fleabag apartment with child support sucking him dry!

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sgeffe's avatar

Or a good prenup.

Sigh!😮‍💨

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Tom Klockau's avatar

Like my friend Joe said to me, circa 2008: Don't get married and don't have kids.

Ever.

Ice Age's avatar

I'll say it again: If some mad scientist perfects the fembot, women are done as a going concern.

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Ice Age's avatar

Shoulda clarified: a fembot that's genetically compatible with human males.

Luke Holmes's avatar

I married for crazy, not for someone to do the dishes.

John Marks's avatar

BZ: (Tom Wolfe was merciless on that trope: the “linebacker spouse”.)

I was once so Unwoke that, while speaking to a jazz fan I knew, I mentioned a blind female jazz pianist who had been putting on a lot of weight. I said, to his horror and dismay:

"She's someone Dick Butkis would send up the middle... (1... 2... 3...) for Short Yardage."

To say the least, he looked at me with new eyes. I think that, had it been within his power to Excommunicate me, he would have done so in a heartbeat.

Speed's avatar

"now theres a woman who would fight for yards"

Gene's avatar

I'll see your Diane Schuur and raise you Jackie Warren.

John Marks's avatar

(Sound of John pushing all his poker chips to the center of the table... .)

Viz.: https://jackiewarrenmusic.com/gallery

Ataraxis's avatar

I personally would have referenced William “The Refrigerator” Perry, but that’s just me.

CJinSD's avatar

I find myself losing interest in F1 after almost 50 years. Every race, it is just a matter of time until the stewards get to show how little they care about pretending to be legitimate arbiters of the rules. In Spain, it was the stewards ignoring Leclerc and Russell driving into Verstappen before throwing the book at Verstappen for contact with Russell. This time, it was George trying to create an issue for Max by driving erratically behind the safety car, which caused him to drop more than 10 car lengths behind the safety car. Both behaviors are explicitly banned by the rules, and his words and mirror glances revealed the purpose of his conduct. No penalty or penalty points for George. He drives for Toto, and the Wolffs have more friends in the FIA than MBS does.

I stopped following IndyCar, because incompetence is the only thing preventing Roger Penske from crowning himself the big winner every round. F1 now has a trend where the FIA stewards are paid commentators for gambling houses. The gambling houses don't pay Johnny Herbert and Derek Warwick for their opinions because the punters give a flying fig what they have to say. I've been a huge F1 fan since Niki Lauda caught fire in Germany, and I don't remember why Derek Warwick's opinion is worth more than that of anyone who bets on F1. Johnny Herbert is a sad little man who ran into the bandsaw that was Michael Schumacher in his team's other seat. So why are they being massively paid to give their opinions to book makers? If you're smart enough not to have vandalized something on No Kings Day, then you probably figured out it is because they can influence the race outcomes. That's why gambling houses pay FIA stewards. Max was bad for business, because he is the perfect driver. Now he is also the only driver who the rules apply to, and they apply in bizarre ways at that. F1 needs to clean house, or it will join NASCAR and IndyCar among things I used to care about.

Luke Holmes's avatar

I enjoy watching the way Verstappen deals with all the rules bullshit. He's utterly in control, and he tries every door. No self-pity, no excuses, no apologies (take note Lando). No wonder the FIA hate him.

Ice Age's avatar

The greatest statement about professional racing was this:

"It (the invention) was awarded that highest honor given to technological advancement in motorsport: it was banned."

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Julian's avatar

The growth of sports betting and general online cynicism of any sport will be what starts their decline in the coming years. The whole fantasy thing has already ruined fandom (and baseball almost completely) for most younger people, and it's coming for the other sports. The whole "level playing field" game where the league pushes certain teams has become a bit too visible in almost every sport since the idea has gotten into heads that we need "parity" to draw eyeballs.

CJinSD's avatar

I stopped following the NFL years ago, and I've yet to see an infomercial that isn't more intellectually stimulating than the NBA finals. Are NFL and NBA referees actually getting paid for 'commenting' on their respective sports by casinos? Is everyone involved except the bookies braindead?

CJinSD's avatar

Why do you think the gambling houses are paying the FIA stewards who can influence race outcomes? It isn't because they have more impressive racing resumes or higher profiles than dozens of other retired drivers and team principals who would like to be paid for their opinions.

Joshua Fromer's avatar

Not since 2015, during the heady days of LMP1 when a third Porsche 919 helmed by the trio of Nick Tandy, Earl Bamber and then Force India driver Nico Hulkenberg took the checkered at Circuit de la Sarthe have I been this happy for a Le Mans winner. Robert Kubica's redemption arch is truly cinema worthy and miles more compelling than that new Brad Pitt racing film (which I'm totally and gleefully going to see)

Sherman McCoy's avatar

I bought (or, agreed to buy via text, in reality) my GT3 10 years ago, on the day that the unsung third 919 won at Le Mans.

I have the signatures of Nick and Earl under the frunk; need to get Hulk’s once he moves over to IMSA.

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The situation in Iran is beyond complex, but clearly Iran does not need nuclear power for energy purposes, no matter what they say. The country has tons of oil and natural gas and is developing its nuclear power under mountains. Still, of all people, I wish Trump would keep America out of another Middle East war. Who knows what price of gallon of gas may become. In some strange way, Trump may do more for electric vehicles, than Biden even did.

I have worked for 40 years straight in Technology and still going. Did not get laid off or fired because mostly I get along, I used to be good, and most importantly was lucky not to get outsourced or re-orged out of a job. As I have gotten older (couple years pre Medicare age), and have accumulated some net worth of note, I agree wealth is what attracts women. (not salary which is fleeting but owning things such as real estate, automobiles of note, stocks and funds and retirement accounts). Looks go away, but wealth is a tremendous asset and the confidence of that net worth is what attracts women to an older man. That and with age, I don't care about what people think about what I say, so liberating.

Colin's avatar

I think that action that would make the best possible movie would be for a squad of Israelis to halo into Fordow, blast their way to the centrifuge area, blow the whole thing up, and then exfil to one of the coasts. Or maybe helo to the gulf… It’s 285mi, I don’t know if Israel has big helo’s on ships, but it’s doable. US stays out of it, the only casualties are the guards at Fordow, the IDF become certified bad-asses for the next 75 years, etc etc.

What no one wants to talk about is that we’re probably going to need a second crusade in the coming days to combat this second rise of Islam.

Speed's avatar

an obscene and worthwhile level of mass emigration and a heavy tax on remittances would go a pretty long way to solving that problem

once theyre back where they belong cutting them off from the civilized world is easier

Gene's avatar

Near the end of the season when the F1 movie is only found streaming on PlutoTV Lewis Hamilton will announce his departure from motorsports to explore his new found love in films when the new Bond series decides to begin again with the genesis of the source material, this time theater side.

Damson Idris is anointed 007 and his first foe the most beloved Formula One champion starring as Dr. No. Scoff if you must but view them together on the stage at this past weekend's premier with Sir Lewis in his high necked frock and you'll realize what a tell it was, a moment to be discussed by your grandchildren as they review Bond lore. You heard it here first.

Did Yuki lose a bet?

Sherman McCoy's avatar

Luigi will stick around for 26, in case Ferrari lucks into a dominant car.

It is shocking how confident, assured, and dominant the WEC effort is in comparison to the shambolic F1 team.

Gianni's avatar

One has to wonder if Lando was hoping his optimistic move would have taken both of them out if it failed, and it failed to do that, and that is why he was stupid.

unsafe release's avatar

I’m not a fan, but that was a mature drive from Princess George. No mistakes and he controlled the race. His team fucked him on the pitstop, but he prevailed.

Good job by Max dragging that piece of shit around lap after lap and finishing on the podium.

Antonelli had a good start with a nice pass on Leclerc. I love this kid, he’s super exciting to watch. Nice run through the race for his first podium. Many more to come, methinks.

Norris is a nincompoop. That was really dumb. At least he owned it, and at least he didn’t take out Oscar.

My Ferrari boys pooed the bed again.

Carlos got a top 10!

Gianni's avatar

Norris was thinking if it works I close the points gap. If it doesn’t, I take both of us out and the points gap stays the same. Unfortunately for him, he took just himself out and he got 0 to Oscar’s 12.

Speed's avatar

absolute dingus move

truly the new face of f1

Gianni's avatar

Sky Sports commentators hardest hit.

Speed's avatar

how do we make them feel physical pain though

Gianni's avatar

I feel physical pain when Croft starts yelling.

unsafe release's avatar

Me too, can’t stand that guy.

Over in Indycar Will Buxton is commentating. I have to turn off the sound to watch a race.

unsafe release's avatar

I’m not sure there was any “thinking” going on in that brain…

Gianni's avatar

Yeah, I guess I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. Senna had the first corner of Suzuka all figured out beforehand.

unsafe release's avatar

Agreed. That’s an excellent example of a strategic brain at work.

Julian's avatar

Both Spaniards in the top 10! I thought Alonso had an underrated drive in what's not a great car, and enjoyed watching Russell at the front just holding the lead over Max then pulling away bit by bit.

Speed's avatar

"Ferrari literally can’t prevent Leclerc from making Hamilton look bad nowadays"

based

"on the slow corners I could put two wheels in the air like a Ford Fiesta"

wait are you lifting the two inside tires?

"it would certainly take a loss to the Air Fryer 9000 in any real-world quarter-mile drag"

imagine your boomer friends finding out your 250k(?) vette got gapped by some chinese four door blob thing at the dragstrip lmao

"she can Eat, Pray, and Love to her heart’s content while you acquire proficiency in the video game of your choice in between OnlyFans-fueled sessions of self-gratification and binge-watching whatever subscriptions you can still afford"

netfilix and onlyfans is pure aids but giving women unlimited agency but zero responsibility was a mistake (guys probably shouldnt be sleeping around either)

where does this lead and whats the solution out of this mess?

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“but giving women unlimited agency but zero responsibility was a mistake

where does this lead and whats the solution out of this mess?”

Great question! Seeing how Christianity (and its principles applied at the society-level) have created “the west” and the greatest period of human flourishing and reduction in barbarity that we know of in world history, the solution is probably a return to a more moral ethic, a reduction in 1st/2nd/3rd wave feminism and an increase (or return to) traditional male roles and shouldering of responsibility for self, family, community and world, in that order.

Speed's avatar

bingo

the answer was always to turn to christ but having a father figure who tells them not to indulge in everything doesnt sit well with some

Gianni's avatar

Ferrari and Sir are trying to spin it as Sir lost 20 points of downforce from hitting a groundhog. Yeah, right.

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Speed's avatar

much like cubic inches

lying is free

Sherman McCoy's avatar

People lie about pubic inches, too!

BKbroiler's avatar

I’m posting this from the Uber backseat of the pride of Lordestown: a 1st gen Cruze w 150k miles.

And, spoiler alert, it’s NOT bad in the least.

sgeffe's avatar

After doing a quick scan of that article, I saw another article stating that Honda is going to be starting up a program to produce small batches of replacement parts for vintage vehicles, ala Mercedes. Unsurprisingly, the NSX will be the first product to be the beneficiary of this program. But everything else is on the table!

So if you need a door card to finalize your freshening or restoration of your 1991 Civic Si, you might eventually be in luck.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I almost posted that myself!

I think it's actually more along the lines of "factory-certified reproduction parts" than actually restarting the OEM lines. Still, it's a very interesting development.

sgeffe's avatar

Yes, that was what I meant..sorry if my comment was confusing. I think Mercedes does the same thing with their program.

I wonder if this would extend to electronics as well? “My 2007 6-6 Accord Sedan needs an OEM head unit and it’ll be the hit of the next vehicles and caffeine!”

BKbroiler's avatar

Honestly, from the back, it didn't feel all that different from a MK5 Jetta, which is a pretty big compliment.

Luke Holmes's avatar

The car of "getting to my job" here in aus.

Chuck S's avatar

that's any battered Nissan, but most often an Altima, here in the US

Ice Age's avatar

Nissan Altima. The official car of assholes with no ID turning broken taillights into felony arrests.

Chuck S's avatar

as bad as that car is, it is a testament to Nissan engineering that it is still running. you just know that car has never seen an oil change, let alone any kind of regular service.

CJinSD's avatar

Maybe it is where I live, but I see first generation Cruzes in traffic about as often as I see Corvairs, which isn't very often at all.

Julian's avatar

It's the same anywhere I am, whether CT, TN, or Miami. You'd think there'd be bunch down south, but I rarely see them. Quite good looking for a small car too, but guessing those 1.4t's didn't go well in the hands of a 3rd owner...

Ataraxis's avatar

I honestly don’t even know what a Cruze looks like.

Nplus1's avatar

I used to call them "Official Car of Northeast Ohio". They are starting to disappear fast. From owning one to 86k miles, my impression is that they are extremely solid except for all the stuff attached to the engine.

Sam's avatar

I felt like Borats neighbor in my 1st gen Mazda3 when a fraternity brother showed up in a new 1st gen Cruise, they were very underrated.

Henry C.'s avatar

Man, sometimes there are happy endings. The cherry on top might have been him getting alimony for her initial adultery, but we can't have everything, can we?

anatoly arutunoff's avatar

getting even is a slimeball move. they're both beneath contempt. you're MARRIED, get it you ninnies?

Henry C.'s avatar

Naturally, yet everyone loves a 'man bites dog' story.

Ajla's avatar

"the one that will probably blow up"

Well, it is a Z06...

... But it is a Z06!

AJS's avatar

Z06 is the one to get, and as far as I know, the only real issue was a tick in early ('23) models that has since been sorted out. The LT6 has been surprisingly reliable up to this point. We aren't talking about the truck 6.2, here.

Ajla's avatar

When it comes to infidelity I've often considered that some people are just drawn to doing it if the opportunity arises no matter what.

You could be rich Mr.Thunderdick or a clone of Salma Hayek circa 1999, but you're still the frog with a scorpion on its back.

BKbroiler's avatar

As Chris Rock said, "A man is basically as faithful as his options."

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Steve Ward's avatar

completely incomprehensible.

Jeff Winks's avatar

Seriously???

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Speed's avatar

oh come on thats not even halfway convincing

Jack Baruth's avatar

Maybe after Elizabeth Hurley you just, uh, go for the opposite of a beautiful woman!

Henry C.'s avatar

Hugh thought it was Divine.

Jeff Winks's avatar

Ha

sgeffe's avatar

What the hell was he thinking??!!

Jeff H's avatar

"Ford isn’t much better, but since they do the full-sized trucks in the USA they are likely the #1 USA automaker by actual volume"

So if you make the most cars in America, you don't win the most American-made car? Sounds like Yahoo click bait. The link says the categories are manufacturing 1 )location, 2)parts/3)engine/4)transmission source, and 5)US workforce... I would think F150's would lead 3 of 5 of those by a huge margin over Tesla. Also, maybe Tesla is N/A for eng/trans cats, so wins by default? Although it's hard to believe all the electronic components are US-made... but I don't know for a fact.

...anyway, Tesla's are mostly made in California, and California isn't really the USA.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I have an inside source that says Ford has MASSIVELY moved component sourcing overseas for the face-lift F-Series and SUVs.

Joe's avatar

Didn't Tata buy former Mentor Graphics Automotive division from Siemens earlier this year?

Of course, with the *massive* "success" of the 737-MAX, who *wouldn't* want their vehicle's software written in India?

Gianni's avatar

Probably coded to spec, the spec being written by a McDonnell Douglas PM.

sgeffe's avatar

Ouch!

Sam's avatar

It would help explain the huge delay in delivery of 2025 trucks until the back half of this year. Unfortunately Ford doesn't list out COO percentages on their monronies like some other MFGs do. I have a few saved from when I was truck shopping back in '23 and wanted to compare to a new one today, but no dice.

sgeffe's avatar

Why am I not surprised?

Jeff H's avatar

I'm in no position to refute that, but it doesn't make much sense considering the political pressure the company would face...

Jack Baruth's avatar

Politicians are simple creatures. They see trucks coming out of Louisville and they don't think to ask where the infotainment or wheels or castings or glass is made.

redlineblue's avatar

Politicians are adroit creatures. They see trucks coming out of Louisville, pretend they made it possible, and neither raise nor indulge any question we’d call one.

Jack Baruth's avatar

That's better said than what I said!

Ice Age's avatar

And yet they're extraordinarily sophisticated liars.

sgeffe's avatar

How do you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

Sam's avatar

It isn't just Politicians, many more regular people don't realize how many of the "domestic" brands are not built/assembled domestically, let alone how many "foreign" brands are built/assembled domestically.

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sgeffe's avatar

Bread, meet butter.

Steve Ward's avatar

Probably was in the plan more than a year ago.

Julian's avatar

Decision had to have been made 2-3 years ago, where the climate was different. Even if it was recent, the "normal" folks and politicians only pay attention to assembly, not the whole supply chain.