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silentsod's avatar

MotoAmerica debuted their 2026 season in Daytona where Supersport did run the 200 for points. I don't know when that change occurred, but it must have been late because Matt Scholtz wasn't there to defend his title. I also don't know if he's still in Supersport because MotoAmerica has the 2025 entries still listed and not the 2026!

I'll come back to Supersport after discussing MotoA's one true category, King of the Baggers. The field remains small and entertaining as hell. Indian has dropped their solo factory to partner with (defray cost?) Vance & Hines, who leave HD (soon to start the WORLD BAGGER CHAMPIONSHIP IN MOTOGP). Hayden Gillum, Rocco Landers, and Troy Herfoss run on the team. All three looked sharp this weekend against the strongest HD rider, Kyle Wyman. Indian mugged the Harleys at the high speed Daytona circuit and took 1st in the micro race, race 1, and race 2. Gillum with the first two, and a mechanical failure in the third which ruined what appeared to be another easy victory. Herfoss won race 2.

The Daytuner Two Hundie was, as the commentators insisted, incredible. Incredible how fucking amateurish the production was, and incredible that a Moto2 ride (Darren Binder, Brad's brother) with no experience there finished top 4. Within a short period of time a rider clipped a pit crew member while pitting, and then during the next pit stop another rider launched right at a cameraman. What is a cameraman doing on a hot pit away from the crew area? Great question, and MotoA needs to change their rules around this. Otherwise, the race was determined by crashes and poor pit stops.

The Daytona 200 just isn't exciting to watch and yet, for some reason, it continues to be run.

Charlie's avatar

Someone has to create viral "wtf" crash clips every March.

silentsod's avatar

I just could not believe they had a cameraman on an active pit lane, and the rider (Herrin) almost dumped the bike after having to take action not to run the guy over. You could tell in the post race interview that he was biting his tongue and I have no such qualms or considerations since Im not racing or representing sponsors.

Dave Ryan's avatar

Herrin is kind of an ass, and a hot head. He said if he hadn’t won he would probably be in jail. That’s not holding back very much. He’s been in trouble with the series, sponsors and teams multiple times before.

silentsod's avatar

He is those things and yet he showed great restraint not to upbraid the organization then and there.

Rick J's avatar

Exactly. That's why I like him. There's 3 actual racers among the Superbike and Supersports teams. IMO Herrin, Beaubier and Jake Gange. There's a bunch of great riders buy too few racers. They all know which side the bread is buttered on.

Dave Ryan's avatar

Gagne might be out of a ride this year. Herrin’s lack of emotional control has probably cost him a championship or two (it’s certainly cost him his job a few times.) Beaubier (and Gagne) are the polar opposite of Herrin in personality— both have always been very non-controversial.

Rick J's avatar

Arm pump still a problem for Jake? I've been out of pocket for awhile.

Rick J's avatar

There was also a cameraman and producer on the start grid for the 200. One of the officials definitively asked them to please vacate immediately. If you're a lip reader please let me know what he really said.

Ice Age's avatar

Yeah, people who, in a just world, would be stocking shelves at Home Depot.

Dave Ryan's avatar

I think this is the first year the 200 is back to paying points.

Scholtz is in Superbike this year.

We have gone down this path before; and sorry to be so blunt, but I don’t want to go through the reasons again. Bagger racing is stupid.

I’ve been watching the 200 for a lot of years— back when Superbikes raced it (before DMG ruined the series and its subsequent rebirth by Rainey as MotoA). It’s amazing watching those guys (and girls) taking the bikes up on the banking. It’s the only race with pit stops, so you have to expect some nonsense; but the camera guy was definitely a bridge too far.

Are you saying you’re surprised Binder finished that high? Or are you saying how is it possible an ex-MotoGP rider didn’t win easily? Both questions have merit.

silentsod's avatar

I'm saying Darren (Moto2) making it that high speaks to the lack of talent, generally, that is running the Daytona 200 these days. If Escalante and Jacobsen hadn't crashed out he still would be top ten.

Darren Binder has not been top tier Moto2 talent from my viewing of Moto2.

Thanks for the Scholtz update, hoping he takes it to Beaubier, Fong, and SDK this year. Still annoyed the 2025 entries are up in March of 2026.

Dave Ryan's avatar

MotoA isn’t producing talent that can succeed on the world stage. Beaubier, Gagne, Herrin, all have tried— and returned with their tails between their legs. The last American to have success on the world level was Spies (with Hayden before him). Toni Elias was a MotoGP also-ran who landed in MotoA and dominated.

Binder had an early pit stop that screwed him up. Also first race on that bike with those tires. Include the unusual venue (with the extreme drafting), and he ends up 4th. He was an also-ran in GP racing, but he should be able to do very well in MotoA Supersport. Would any of his competitors make the grid on the world level?

Beaubier should be hard to beat on that new Duc (as long as he can keep from rolling through the gravel). Fong may be mentally shot after last year. Scholtz was never a real championship threat in Superbike before he went down to Supersport; we shall see. SDK reminds me a little of Herrin— too much red mist for his own good. (He’s another one that failed at the world level.)

S2kChris's avatar

FWIW, I believe the “outlaw” part of the Urban Outlaw schtick has to do with a style of modding Porsches originating back to the 356, far before Magnus. It turned into the R Gruppe tools around the turn of the century. Say whatever you want about MW, but I think that’s where the Outlaw thing came from, not an actual law breaker.

Todd Zuercher's avatar

I was going to type the same thing. The “outlaw” characteristic was that they modified cars that made the purists poop their pants. I usually associate the outlaw movement starting with Rod and Gary Emory and their glorious creations but it may have started with someone else. The Porscheophiles can correct as needed.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I spent the day with Emory a while back, going through his machines with him. I know the ostensible etymology of the phrase, but that doesn't excuse it; you might as well say "Everyone knows that a 'Pussy Slayer' ES300 is one that has the rare tri-spoke wheels."

Speed's avatar

if enough people call a tri spoke es300 the pussy slayer spec does it eventually make it true

Jack Baruth's avatar

Let's make it happen!

Henry C.'s avatar

Do not use that monkey paw. You have too many barn cats around.

silentsod's avatar

Oh this was good. I am chuckling.

Andy's avatar

That was mine as well.

Shooter's avatar
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I very much appreciate your “behind the curtain” tidbits on Magnus, Lieberman, et al.

And that Prelude is a perfectly good car for folks who are not hard core sports car people, but want something fun and stylish.

While I am not the target customer, I admire the car for what it is.

Back in the day, there was a nice Acura coupe with a V6 that looked hot and filled this niche.

Also, the Mazda MX-6 and Ford Probe filled this part of the market.

And I sold a front drive V6 Mercury Cougar to a lady once that fit the bill.

Donkey Konger's avatar

That was the Legend coupe, and with a 0-60 of "under 8 seconds" I believe the performance is comparable?

But a legend was a 100 if not 1000x cooler car. I will get another one day and swap and awd-convert it

Shooter's avatar

Not the Legend. I’m thinking of a “CL 3.0” or some such Acura. Had very delicate pillars.

Donkey Konger's avatar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_CL

Ahh yes. Were you thinking first or second gen?

Shooter's avatar

First Gen. Many thanks!!!! That’s it!

sgeffe's avatar

I remember that the chattering auto-rag class was falling on their fainting couches over how there was no key lock on the trunk, and that the only way to access the trunk was via the remote control on the fob, or by the release on the floor next to the driver’s seat, where the fuel filler release also resided on Hondas of the era.

Brian McCoy's avatar

I coveted a 1993 Prelude when I was in college, ended up with a Probe GT with a rebuilt title because it was what I could afford. That was still a pretty fun car and gave me eight years of relatively reliable service. Chick I was hooking up with had a spanking new '93 Prelude at the time (Daddy's money) and I drove it a lot, frequently with her naked in the passenger seat. That will always be a special car for me.

Scott A's avatar

I had a Non GT Probe and it was a real piece of crap. Probably the worst car I've ever owned. I think it was 2k used. I did not have any naked hotties in the passenger seat cause I was a dork in college

Brian McCoy's avatar

Yeah, I would not have wanted either the 4 cylinder or the automatic in that car. I don't remember the last time I saw one, don't know if any survived to be classics.

Scott A's avatar

I think it maybe went 95 and it wasn’t exactly comfortable over 70. But for 2k, it was fine.

Lynn W Gardner's avatar

Brian, you are trespassing on our facilitators turf, only the legendary JB is allowed to drive around with a naked girl in the front seat of an exotic car in these pages. 🤣🤣🤣

Brian McCoy's avatar

He does it in actual exotics, I did it in a Honda with a slick 5 speed. Who da man?😅

Lynn W Gardner's avatar

And the trophy goes to Brian.👏👏👏

Fat Baby Driver's avatar

Best I could manage was a topless girl in a Nissan Hardbody.

Jeff Zahorowski's avatar

There's a joke in there somewhere tying together the topless girl's physique, the name of the double-walled Nissan truck, and the '80's raunch comedy "Hardbodies", but I'm damned if I can get to it.

Christo's avatar

“[T]he World Champion ran directly into a shoebox-sized item on track because he was busy dicking around with his steering wheel.“

Of all the things I thought I would read about F1 in 2026, distracted driving was not on my bingo card.

Morgan's avatar

RE: the Montana plate thing - "If you don’t like it, move to a red state and vote to keep it that way."

I'm trying, but leaving isn't currently an option and I've voted like hell...

Speed's avatar

im gonna voooooote

Ice Age's avatar

If voting worked, they wouldn't let us do it.

Speed's avatar

much like gambling its great entertainment if you dont know how it works

Drunkonunleaded's avatar

See: SAVE Act. The Senate will never vote on it because then the GOP will have to openly admit that they hate America at least as much as their “opponent”.

Steve Ward's avatar

yeah, they are going to find out a whole lot of voters in red states can't readily prove their citizenship.

Speed's avatar

tens of millions of them cant

Ice Age's avatar

The ones that drive to work and the liquor store for YEARS with no ID.

Rick J's avatar

Can anyone seriously give one good reason why the Democrat pols. are against voter ID yet 75%of Democrat voters are in favor of it. The Dems allowed 20 million illegals in our country during Biden. I think I know why. Some might say this is Treason. Some won't. ¿Habla inglés señor?

yossarian's avatar

i think we all know the answer to this one

Ataraxis's avatar
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Much credit to Mr. Makse for actually reviewing the car he was sitting in and not some fantasy car that someone online wanted.

To be honest, now that I already have a fast car whose capabilities cannot be safely explored on my local mountain roads, the Prelude is somewhat appealing. But the looks, while not offensive, are just too bland for me.

The Nissan Z is a much more appealing car inside and out. Honda plopping too big of screens on their dashboards really has to stop. They are ugly, indicative of lazy design, and signal disregard for the driver. The Z is one of the only cars remaining that has properly integrated a screen into the dash.

Charlie's avatar

I've gotten the current gen "sporty" Prius as a rental car a few times now, and it's honestly...not bad? ~200 hp with the hybrid torque on eco spec rental tires make it feel like a mid 90s-ish mild spec hot hatch. If the prelude does it similar, I'd be content with one save for the $43k sticker. The prius starts a touch under 30, you'd think a ~34-35k price point would have silenced a lot of the complaints.

Ataraxis's avatar

There is something to said for being able to safely mash the gas pedal to the floor and working with the car’s momentum to have fun.

That was the fun factor with my 100hp Mark II GTI.

sgeffe's avatar

But this one is disconnected from anything when you mash the throttle! Just like any other current hybrid.

Honda is working on an improved hybrid system, but this car gets the same one as the CR-V, Accord, and Civic.

Gene's avatar

What I wonder about is mashing the brakes. Sure, under most conditions they are just fine but if I'm working to keep up with Jack on a Fall day in Hocking Hills I want the car to stop like my Fiesta ST behaved, not how my hybrid Camry regenerates. To my simple minded way of thinking more aggressive pads will only cancel the purpose of having a hybrid-part of why I could see no reason in purchasing an SE.

Ataraxis's avatar

I know there’s a disconnect, but the wheels still spin when you mash the gas pedal. I not a fan of this powertrain or the car, but I’ll give it credit if it handles well, and I’ll trust Mr. Makse’ opinion on that. But there will never be one in my garage.

Chairworthiness's avatar

The fatal flaw of the Prelude is that Honda has no off-the-shelf "V6 Replacement" hybrid setup the way Toyota does with both the Highlander (big elec. Motor) and the Tacoma (turbo), and the Prelude was never going to be a big enough seller to warrant a bespoke powertrain.

Ironically, Japanese Twitter is quite fond of comparing the Prelude and the Prius, given how similar their front ends look.

Henry C.'s avatar

The glaring fatal flaw is the price.

Chairworthiness's avatar

Sure, at $33k the car as-is would be a lot more palatable, though with a 15% import duty you'd probably need to build it in Greensburg or Marysville to hit that price point (which would have my complete and total endorsement, naturally).

Nplus1's avatar

I've heard that $6-7k of the price is tariff margin. So Honda agrees with you on what it should be. Also, I was stunned to learn that the inflation adjusted price of a 97 Prelude is $52k.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah but the 1997 Prelude was WORTH 52k.

Nplus1's avatar

My first thought after being stunned was wondering what they were worth in 2007. Because they might still have existed then and that would have been a sweet high school car.

Scott A's avatar

I paid 50ish k for the telluride and it’s fairly nice. Nicer than our family cars in the 90s.

Ataraxis's avatar
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My cheap old guy brain can’t reason with today’s inflated prices, I’m stuck in the past, so I randomly use 2015 as my default pricing year.

$50k today was only $36k in 2015, so that Telluride was priced fairly using my inflation price work around. It is absolutely crazy that the cumulative inflation rate since 2015 is 38%.

Wyatt LCB's avatar

Man... Calculator dot net says I'd have to make 95-100k to have the same buying power as my current salary would've had in 2015; or 90k if I look in 2019. My salary now was only 50k in 2015, and 55k in 2019. That's why I don't feel ahead despite having a couple large pay increases in that time; I've only kept up with effectively making 50k since graduating college in 2018 and I know it's never going to get better.

Scott A's avatar

Our prices are up 30% in the last 5 years. Covid was insane.

Charles's avatar

Oh come on Jack. 52k is a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say? That's comparing against things like the Nissan Z, Integra Type S, V8 Mustangs, etc..

I'm a pretty big honda fanboy but even I don't think the old preludes were worth that much.

Jack Baruth's avatar

You could get 250,000 miles out of them and they were a joy to run. The only thing they were not: fast

Ataraxis's avatar

Here’s a brand new 1993 Prelude for sale right now. https://www.vantageauto.com/inventory/honda/prelude/47262/

Just that interior alone is worth $44k.

Look at what they stole from us.

Ice Age's avatar

$52,000?

Fuck!

Steve Ward's avatar

with or without the ADM?

Ice Age's avatar

Any ADM involved in the sales process for THIS car warrants a call to the DEA.

Steve Ward's avatar

the current one, yes.

I was referring to the '80's / '90's Hondas and Acuras

Nplus1's avatar

Msrp obviously

sgeffe's avatar
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Are all of the new ‘Ludes made in Japan? (Which also explains what Honda was on when they threw together this Civic Hybrid Coupe and called it a “Prelude!” This is a repeat of the OG car, but to compare it to any of the successors is an abomination!)

Nplus1's avatar

Yes all Japan

Sam's avatar

You beat me to this math. What we are seeing over and over again when we look back at car prices is not that cars have outpaced inflation, but that inflation has outpaced wages.

Preludes were out there when new, but I feel like there were always more Probes, Mx6s, GrandAm Coupes, and FWD Cougars around, so their pricing was most likely a detractor back then, especially with much more competition in the market versus today.

The lack of aural and tactile feedback does more to detract me from the new 'lude than it's price or hybrid drivetrain. Honda managed to make the CRZ and to a lesser extent the original Insight engaging to drive despite their economic design intent, I want the same here.

Jeff Zahorowski's avatar

Preludes were always expensive.

bluebarchetta's avatar

Man, was I wrong about F1 2026. I thought it'd be the McLaren and Max Show while Mercedes and Ferrari continued to trip over their own dicks, but it looks like Mercedes and Ferrari have the ecocommie cars figured out while everyone else is playing catchup. Max will figure it out, but he won't like it.

I wonder how many Phoenix IndyCar attendees also attended the NASCAR race, and vice versa? Supposedly there's this big dichotomy between IndyCar and NASCAR fans, but I suspect the real dichotomy is between race fans and stick-and-ball sports fans.

Ataraxis's avatar
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The California thing is funny because the end result will be that if only a handful of these super car owners leave the state, California will take in less overall tax revenue than whatever they will collect from these supercars now having California license plates.

Central planning never works, especially when there’s 49 other states to move to.

MD Streeter's avatar

A few years ago I saw them floating the idea of taxing people who moved away. I'm not sure how that would be possible or even feasible.

Jack Baruth's avatar

It's absolutely possible, unless your move-out date is Dec 31. The state can do whatever they like. It would be the opposite of the infamous "florida economic impact fee".

Ataraxis's avatar

It was a part of their proposed new CA wealth tax on unrealized gains.

MD Streeter's avatar

I want to say they were looking to tax the earnings of the three years following the move, but I'm too lazy to go looking for the source... and it's entirely possible it was a bullshit ragebait article in the first place.

Jack Baruth's avatar

No worries, I work for you and here it is:

https://archive.is/v4nx8

"The Wealth and Exit Tax would apply to individuals or businesses that have been full-time residents of California and hold wealth over $50 million; it would tax 1 percent of wealth up to $1 billion and 1.5 percent of wealth over $1 billion at the time of their exit. "

Charlie's avatar

Christ. They literally did the Simpsons bit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TVo38a46zdc

Nplus1's avatar

That's really not all that much. What's $10MM to someone with $1 billion?

Ataraxis's avatar

They hate being taken advantage of. No different than someone living in a trailer park.

I'm a nobody but moved from IL to NC because I felt like a sucker paying taxes to people who hate me.

Scott A's avatar

CA is one of the worst at going after people. IL is also one of the worst. Take a gander for #3? If you move from here to Florida, keep a copy of your lease/mortgage, a copy of registering to vote, and make sure you change your registration on your vehicles.

*It's NY

redlineblue's avatar

My dad’s good friend since college (class of ‘57) had a verry small law firm a block from his rent-controlled apartment in the E.60s.

He’d drive his 300SD to his ‘tulip farm’ in Chadds, make a couple phone calls to CT or Sydney, and drive back.

Audited countless times, he’d use his long-distance phone bills to prove he lived in PA.

I’ll bet Charlie’s so glad he died before this happened to his (real) hometown. RIP

yossarian's avatar

it's funny that he used that evidence with the irs. if his landlord ever got wind of the fact that he was not using his rent controlled apartment as his primary residence, they would evict him.

my landlord tried to evict me by claiming that a rental property that i owned was my primary residence.

Scott A's avatar

I got in a long fight with Illinois I eventually won because they were trying to argue my client was still a resident of IL because he hadn't established residency in a different state.

As the law is written, they may have been correct because he'd been "traveling" around the world for the last 5 years in retirement and since he didn't have a permanent address, IL considered him a resident.

MD Streeter's avatar

Was he registered to vote there?

Scott A's avatar

He was an IL resident for 30 something years. Their argument was based on because he was travelling the world, he'd never established residency in another state because he didn't have a permanent address.

MD Streeter's avatar

"If no one else wants him, HE'S OURS."

Steve Ward's avatar

he should have said he is a resident of F-U-istan.

Scott A's avatar

They'd never have collected while he's alive but they'll put a lien on the estate or garble up any federal refunds.

Ice Age's avatar

When I lived in Chicago almost 20 years ago, half the Lexuses (Lexi?), Mercedes and BMWs in town had Florida plates.

Scott A's avatar

To be fair, half those people probably spend 6 months in florida.

MD Streeter's avatar

I see the occasional FL plate up here, but most of the snowbirds seem to use our PRE and have MI plates.

ScottM's avatar

I was an illinois resident for 50 years. I spent 3 years as an expat in Korea and when I returned home in October, illinois tried to tax my entire expat package for the year. That was over $500K when you include my housing and transportation allowances. It took my CPA quite a few letters and phone calls to fix it.

Scott A's avatar

We just got a decent amount of notices from people in 2017-2018 because they worked at an out of state college and didn't file an Illinois return. Our clients didn't pay them but got to pay me $150 to send a letter for them. I'm sure a lot of people just sent in the money to be done with it.

Ice Age's avatar

The proper response to such overreach is, "You wanna party, fucking come and have it."

Acd's avatar

After living in CA for 23 years my parents moved out last week and my dad can’t stop talking about everything is so much cheaper, from taxes to gas prices and even eating out in restaurants. I’m glad they were able to escape.

Ataraxis's avatar

Moving to NC from IL felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. That psychological change was unexpected.

Ice Age's avatar

There are far too many people in California who are wedded to the idea of California, and they vote for Marxists, so they should pay for that.

Good and hard.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I do business with an Orange County firm that has a Trump flag flying below the Stars & Stripes on their flagpole. I once asked one of the owners why they are still operating a manufacturing company in California. He said he took a bike ride by the ocean that morning.

Steve Ward's avatar

Exactly why I'm here. Bike riding 52 weeks per year.

Jack Baruth's avatar

It's hard to believe that people in my parents' generation moved from the Midwest to California BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAPER TO LIVE THERE.

My God, better to be the lowliest Boomer than the richest King in all of history.

Henry C.'s avatar

The land of Nixon and Reagan.

-Nate's avatar

Cal. really was cheap back fifty years ago .

-Nate

Rick T.'s avatar

Like the Italian taxi driver descended from the Romans. Just hard to fathom.

Rick T.'s avatar

"As for income taxes, the top 1% pays approximately $122.5 million per year. In comparison, all California residents combined pay $317.21 million per year — meaning the top 1% pays around 39% of the state’s total income taxes."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/much-top-1-californians-pay-180349426.html

Ice Age's avatar

"Their fair share" would be 1% of the total tax burden in that case.

Rick T.'s avatar

I admire your willingness to define what “fair share” means. Something about 99.9% of the people calling for that fail to do.

Ice Age's avatar

Thank you.

It's a bad habit I'm afraid, this hang-up I have for laws based on objectively-quantifiable phenomena.

Ice Age's avatar

Call it 40. You're forgetting all the other blue states who're about two years behind California legislatively.

Dave Ryan's avatar

I used to think NASCAR was fake, and quit watching after it went spec and had all the phantom yellow flags. (Jack, why are you doing race recaps?) These new F1 cars are absurd. “Look at all the action!” But it’s ridiculous, cars blasting past each other in strange places. The on-board stuff is really telling. It looks like there’s something wrong with the car as they are slowing down on the straights. And, there is something wrong with the car, an idiotic powertrain. Get rid of the electric BS and tell the environmentalist radicals to F Off!

Ice Age's avatar

I want Formula None. Run whatever the hell you can get to hold together for six hours.

I'm curious to see what kind of machines people will build when they want victory more than they fear detached retinas and seatbelt bruises.

Dave Ryan's avatar

That’s basically what Indy was years ago. Front engine, rear engine, four wheel drive, turbines, four cylinder, eight cylinder— pretty much anything. It was fantastic. If you’re not aware of this; you’ll be amazed

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/another-look-at-smokey-yunicks-capsule-car/

Ice Age's avatar

Anything with Smokey Yunick is alright by me!

Which is strange because I'm not inherently sneaky, nor am I a rules lawyer, but Smokey's cheats and dodges were brilliant.

Speed's avatar

the eventual outcome when a big brain meets a small rulebook

Dave Ryan's avatar

These idiotic power units might be the real reason for the continued shift to more street circuits— they are much more conducive to the way these things work.  Less embarrassing for the series than slowing down at the end of straights and on previously high speed corners.  Like Formula E.

Gianni's avatar

It was the strangest thing watching cars abruptly slow in strange places and get passed and the pass back when the other car abruptly slowed. Spa will be a joke this year. Pedal slow thru Eau Rouge so you don’t slow down halfway thru the Kemmel straight. I can’t imagine what Monza will look like.

S2kChris's avatar

On the subject of the Prelude, it’s indicative of how I feel about Honda as a whole, just incredibly uninspired. Just seems like a company these days to get it to about 90% and say “yeah I guess that’s good enough, all the people who used to buy our cars because they were great will buy this too because it has our name on it.” Just lazy and crap. I’d much much rather buy a CTR/ITS on the higher end or a Civic Si on the lower. There’s a good chance my job situation may change soon with me having to drive a lot more, and I am toying with the idea of swapping my Jeep for an ITS, although I have a sneaking suspicion it would ultimately let me down the same way every other Honda/Acura product in the last 25 years has except my S2000. My wife’s MDX in particular inspired an incredibly loud and profane reaction when I tried to use basic CarPlay functions to navigate, and ended with me in an exaggerated Asian action screaming about what Vietnamese torture techniques I’d use on the vehicles’ designers while my kids cackled and my wife looked on horrified. “You bring shame to whole famiry with track pad!” Anyways.

Ataraxis's avatar

The Prelude is such a weird parts bin creation that no one was asking for that you have to wonder what their intent was. What was the business plan? Was there even a spark of creativity that would birth such a weird car? It doesn’t seem possible.

It also doesn’t seem possible that this was planned to be a moneymaker since the niche it fills is so tiny.

Rick J's avatar

Just had to clean my Idle Air Control Valve. This pos is only 25 years old and now I've got to fix something on it. Honda's seen the last of me.

Charles's avatar

If I was in the market for a Prius, I would consider a Prelude. The tariff makes it rather hard to justify, but at least it's not a Prius, I suppose.

One thing my long commute teaches me is, it sucks the fun out of fun cars for various reasons. If the stereo is good, perhaps the Prelude is a good fit...I'll have to check it out in person.

Concerning to hear about all of these recent Honda engine woes.

Wyatt LCB's avatar

I'd rather have a new Prius, honestly.

S2kChris's avatar

As a fan of Belichick-era Patriots football, Porsche racing in the 1970s, and overall NASCAR cheating lore, I love when people use creative and quasi-legal methods to circumvent the slow and dim-witted who make half-baked half-assed rules, and the MT registration thing is no different. I do not think the state deserves to take a 10%+ cut of every thing sold there, so if people can circumvent them, good. Are the people doing it shitty? Of course, but far less shitty than the average CA politician.

Jack Baruth's avatar

'I love when people use creative and quasi-legal methods to circumvent the slow and dim-witted who make half-baked half-assed rules, and the MT registration thing is no different.'

The first person to figure it out? Yeah.

But now it's a point-and-click business where you pay a shop like this:

https://montanacorporate.com/

to set you up and skip the tax. So it's not about being inventive. It's about being wealthy enough to absorb the risk -- and to hide your car when necessary.

The normie driving to work doesn't have that privilege. He has to park his Montana car at the same McDonald's until a bored California cop decides to harass him. At that point he can't afford an attorney and he can't afford to fight it in any way. He can't even afford to get rid of the car in a hurry.

So I'm against the way it is currently being done. It's as simple as "Pay $1000 to save $20,000 or more."

S2kChris's avatar

I get it but I also don’t think the state deserves a windfall just because a citizen decides to purchase an uber-$$ car. Some normie buys an Accord and the state gets a grand but someone else buys a hyper car and the state deserves $XX,XXX or $XXX,XXX? Nah, fuck ‘em.

Landon McMeekin's avatar

When a blue-collar guy runs dealer plates on a rotating pool of seven different auction cars to avoid having to register his daily driver, I look the other way.

When some plutocrat registers his car in a state two thousand miles away from home to get out of paying ten per cent on his Porsche Kleineschwanz GT2RS, I silently hope someone burns it to the ground outside his favorite strip club.

S2kChris's avatar

There’s a lot of ground between ‘plutocrat’ and ‘blue collar guy.’

Landon McMeekin's avatar

You're not half wrong. A fifty-year-old dad who registers his new Corvette ZR1 from Grandpa's address up north, so he doesn't have to save up for another year just to cover the taxes, isn't going to draw my ire.

Jack Baruth's avatar

And yet it's not those people who do Montana registration. It's the dude who paid $1.2m for a Ferrari with an original retail of $400k.

Ice Age's avatar
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Oh really? How about that one commercial account of ours from the paint store with his fleet of custom-liveried vans who wouldn't settle his five-figure tab, even though he was good for it the whole time?

Landon McMeekin's avatar

That shithead is easily dealt with if you run your own shop; you simply shut off his account at six A.M. Monday, two weeks after the first note comes due, and when he calls to bitch about it you fax him a copy of the service agreement with the "payment due by" clause highlighted.

Ice Age's avatar

And when members of your family across a dozen states register their aggregate 63 cars to your house because your county doesn't do any insepctions, I shall not protest too much.

Landon McMeekin's avatar

Nor should you. That's cheating, but it's a venial sin, not a mortal one.

Ice Age's avatar

I'm under no obligation to be honest with thieves and liars.

sgeffe's avatar

“Keineschwanz?” 😂😂

Landon McMeekin's avatar

Small pecker. My German is limited to profanity picked up from my dad's side of the family.

sgeffe's avatar

Oh I know that! I’ve forgotten more German than English speakers would know!

“Kein” translates to “no,” as in “not possessing!

Flashman's avatar

Kleineschwanz indeed!

Lynn W Gardner's avatar

It is also the Californian that sells his $2,000,000 OC rancher that he paid $100k for in 1978 and buys a $1.7 million dollar Prevost 45ft Coach and registers it in Montana because it saves him $150,000 in vehicle taxes. Is good to go as far as I am concerned.

MD Streeter's avatar

F1 2026 is confusing. Pass/repass/pass again and so on and so forth should have been fun, but came across as a little annoying. The current lack of reliability is sad, but that should get sorted out. The personalities involved make it more fun. My daughter likes Antonelli (...so I do, too). But I would love to see them in smaller, lighter, V10-powered cars like the old days.

The new Prelude is fine. But I'd rather save up more money and buy more of what I really want: power, killer sound, show car looks.

Those are funny points about islam, but only a few men are getting all the wives while everyone else gets turned into martyrburger on their way to Hell. Also, girls in bikinis make summers better.

Speed's avatar

suicide bombers are the real deal

drones can do the same thing faster and cheaper but those guys just do it for the love of the game

Mozzie's avatar

it will be more difficult to remake godzilla minus one about a drone, or its operator

Gianni's avatar

The final paragraph of the Bee article is epic:

“ At publishing time, Mamdani had proposed a new law making it illegal to run away from bombs that are thrown at you.”

Ice Age's avatar

If only the Romans and Persians hadn't exhausted each other back in the 6th century.

Ataraxis's avatar

I’ll bet they hum We Are The Champions when they light the fuse

Steve Ward's avatar

not just summer, its going to be 80+F on the beach again this weekend.

Scott A's avatar

One wife is enough. I can't imagine those "to do" lists

MD Streeter's avatar

In islam it's permissible (and recommended!) to beat the shit out of your wives for stepping out of line.

Ice Age's avatar

Bitch gotta know her place...

-Nate's avatar

Comments like this are usually from those who never get laid......

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic but I've known far too many on both sides of the violence fence .

-Nate

Ice Age's avatar

You're instincts are correct. I wouldn't hit a woman, especially one I love.

Scott A's avatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rksKvZoUCPQ

One of the sadder things is he turned out to be pathetic. But this standup is gold

Dan's avatar

You need to look up the memriTV wife beating tutorial

Speed's avatar

memritv is gold

Dan's avatar

A gentle, loving beating.

Ark-med's avatar

The book says 'scourge.' The exegesis changed it to 'lightly'.

Scott A's avatar

To be fair, weve gone a bit too far in the other direction with how many guys i know who are absolutely henpecked

-Nate's avatar

They can leave any time they want .

-Nate

Scott A's avatar

I know some of these guys and they're terrified their wives would divorce them and I'm sitting there thinking "Would that really be the worst case thing in your scenario?"

-Nate's avatar

Yeah, this ! =8-) .

Three great days in my pathetic life :

1 : she married me when I had cardboard in my shoes .

2 : she gave me my beautiful son , so healthy and wise =8-) .

3 : she said "I'm done, I want a divorce and you can KEEP all your crappy old cars, trucks and (especially) Motocycles .

I guess she really did love me to set me free like that =8-) .

Interestingly she's been unable to hold a man more than a year since and tries at every opportunity to come back, as if .

I stood it for 14.7 years and have been having an ever better life ever since she left .

BTW : I still have all my crappy old vehicles, tools and piles of junk =8-) .

-Nate

Scott's avatar

The middle eastern fellow with multiple wives is not like the American fellow with a wife or, maybe, multiple girlfriends. This is a breeding program. The women have no value except to play house and have kids. I’ve transited Qatar a few times and it is amazing. Aircraft from USA depositing US women in leggings and halter tops into a terminal filled with young to middle age guys in flip flops and casual khaki pants and a t-shirt, with 3 full burka entombed ladies in tow trailing about 12 kids. People who say that Islam is not compatible with western civilization- that is what they are talking about. There are no rights at all for women, and god/allah forbid equal rights.

Mamdani’s problem is that Islam is both a religious system and a political system, and the Islamo-fruitcakes are going to want him to run NYC like the Islamic Republic of New York.

yossarian's avatar

that's not mamdani's problem, it's his goal. he is the aw shucks happy face of jihad. the socialist part is just to bring in the useful idiots. as soon as the islamists get political control, all the pretty socialist promises will disappear.

John Van Stry's avatar

Mamdami is just upset that the bombs didn't go off.

Those were his bros out there, after all.

MD Streeter's avatar

That sort of hate has no place in NYC, you know.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"Racial prejudice is a terrible thing, Yossarian. It really is."

John Van Stry's avatar

Ah, but this isn't racial, this is religious! :-D

Ataraxis's avatar

I think this was Chevy Chase on the original SNL Weekend Update, where he presented some wacky religious news story, then the punch line was “We reached a spokesman for God who said that He doesn’t know who these people are and wishes they would stop using His name.”

I think of that punch line a lot when I hear “religious” stories.

John Van Stry's avatar

That's their religion. Violence is a keystone of it.

-Nate's avatar

Sad but 100 % true .

-Nate

John Van Stry's avatar

I grew up there. Trust me, it's just more of the same.

MD Streeter's avatar

That tracks well with everything I've ever read and seen about it.

John Van Stry's avatar

It's got its good points and its bad points. It's gone to shit the last decade or so, since covid.

John Van Stry's avatar

Oh, should add: Say what you will, but it's better than California.

Steve Ward's avatar

I'll take the weather in SoCal over NYC any time of year.

John Van Stry's avatar

Yeah, but the people in Cal, even SoCal are so obnoxious and annoying that it cancels out. Least the food's good in NYC. Plus, honestly, the people in NYC are nicer (or were back when I was last there).

Dave Ryan's avatar

“…perhaps gently mock CNN for adding a ‘THIS IS THE PRICE OF GAS TODAY’ graphic on their homepage; in 2022, when the national average was nearly a dollar higher than it is even today, they didn’t seem to have such a graphic available.”

Yeah, very convenient. I will add one of my typical sayings: Everyone is a hypocrite. Everyone.

Speed's avatar

"Aston is in massive trouble"

loved finding out how max went from 20 to 6 but i have no idea why the aston shakes like it does. alonso said he could only handle 25 laps or so before his nerves were shot but what on earth would cause the car to do that

"their preferences weren’t the primary input"

sounds just like the 18in wheel choice then

"you might eventually see 11 teams with 11 different homebuilt engines"

might be cool if the teams are close enough at the end of the race. not like the dfv era was bad for having one dominant engine though

"Rob Bonta is a worthless human being who is fighting desperately to uphold racist and discriminatory college admissions policies in California"

theyll do whatever it takes to keep whites out of higher education at any cost. their hate is that great

"Nothing in this world is quite as pathetic, IMO, as this “outlaw Porsche” business"

rwb porsches are way worse. at least some of his outlaw stuff looks kinda neat and hes selling a shitload of parts. plenty there to build a few cars at least. also the outlaw thing wasnt started by him but by neil emory modifying 356s at the valley custom shop in the 50s. nothing to do with lawbreakers (unless you count breaking the commonly accepted laws of modifying cars to fit in a particular design class)

"This one is, too. It is handsome, comfortable, easy to own, and likely to last just about forever"

but its still a fwd turbo 4 with a cvt. couldnt you do better for the money theyre asking?

"Read that and tell me it doesn’t unashamedly imply that the “white supremacist” threw the bomb"

shocking that the brown mayor hates white people

"“This isn't a religion that just stands when people talk about the blessed name of the Prophet. We take action. We take action.”"

literally incompatible with the west. remove asap.

Matthew Horgan's avatar

I love the RWB stuff because of the anal exsanguination it causes the air cooled fart sniffer crowd

Speed's avatar

i hate rwb becuase the build quality is absolute dogshit and watching some chainsmoker throw pop rivits and window weld attaching fiberglass fenders to a decent 911 (far more than aircooled cars have been molested) is like watching someone get hustled on the street

unsafe release's avatar

I gather that the shaky Aston is a result of harmonics in the chassis and the engine (which is in itself a stressed member of the chassis), but I don’t pretend to understand how this works.

Speed's avatar

which was my thought as well but i am still under the impression that chassis frequency is too low and engine frequency is too high to cause damage or be felt to that degree

like the f50 had an engine bolted directly to its carbon tub and some people complained about that but that engine didnt even rev to 9k

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

It's black letter immigration law that says that we can restrict immigrants based on nationality. We still have quotas for some countries.

While we can't restrict based on religion, it seems to me that people who identify as part of the Ummah, which means nation, could be legally denied entry, based on nationality.

seatosky's avatar

1 - I previously worked in “Hollywood” and in the aftermath of 2023’s strikes found myself doing a similar role in live entertainment. There’s no shortage of work; as you say sports and live music are going nowhere and are even a growth market. I’ve never been busier, and AI can come and destroy every shitty bit of writing that Tinseltown has produced in the last decade. I’m sure a few good shows and films will survive but the whole scripted landscape needs a big fat reset.

2 - Montana. There is a distinct difference between registering your collector car in Montana to either dodge CARB / emissions regulations in your home state, and using the absence of sales taxes to dodge home state taxes on a retail vehicle purchase. I support the notion of corporations being able to conduct business in whichever state they see fit - just look at how Canada handles interprovincial trade for an example of how not to run your economy, it’s more difficult than individual provinces doing business with the U.S. in some cases - and the vehicle registration part is very cut and dry. If you want, you can drive an LLC’s vehicle in whatever state you like, including California. Where it gets illegal (and let’s not imagine that someone won’t take this to higher courts to attempt to disprove this) is the sales tax dodging on new purchases like these guys did. I have a Montana LLC and I intend to use it to register the 2000 Defender 130 I already own in Canada, and will be driving it in California for business purposes. I’m not a CA (or Montana, or US) resident, so there’s really no argument a state trooper can give me to relieve me of my vehicle. So…If I wanted to buy a supercar via my Montana LLC, would I be breaking the law? Or is it just a problem if someone happens to live in California.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I have to think your situation is a little different; you're a Canadian who has intelligently chosen Montana as a pied-a-terre, so to speak, in the United States. Strictly speaking, you are a resident of no state whatsoever. I think you could get away with it. And Bonta won't "find" you because you don't have a California drivers' license.

seatosky's avatar

I'm a dual (well, triple, but dual for the purposes of this conversation) citizen, and I file with the IRS annually like every other American. Technically my residence on paper is in New Jersey, and I vote in Florida. Oh, and I don't have a drivers' license from any state. So yeah, it's....*complicated*

Ataraxis's avatar

Bonita will find you. Go through another state’s tollway without an EZ Pass and you’re getting a letter from that state you don’t live in.

Jack Baruth's avatar

For sure... but if you drive a montana plate car and don't have corresponding CA residence, the state has no standing.

Ataraxis's avatar

I still think you get the letter, even if you live in Serbia or on a remote Pacific island. It’s Les Miserable, chasing the guy who stole the loaf of bread. Or The Terminator: “He can’t be stopped or reasoned with!”

Plus “standing“ exists only to deny us not them.

Ataraxis's avatar

California residency and residency for DMV purposes (2 different things) appears to be not necessarily based on actual residency in CA or living there for 6 months plus 1 day.

The Marxists will come after you based on *what you are doing* during your time in CA. They will define if you’re are a resident or not. Not you. No different than a Mob loan shark, no matter what you say to them the answer is always “give me my money.”

You might get a pass in you show a Canadian driver’s license, but I may not get one with an NC driver’s license and a Montana plate. Any Montana plate caught on a license plate reader or Flock or red light camera going forward in CA is probably getting a letter from the CA AG instructing you to “explain yourself, peasant!” You should slap a Canadian flag on your rear window.

I remember reading a few years ago that Minnesota was tracking airport departures and arrivals to the point that some rich people were flying in and out of an adjacent state.

Cases of someone’s residency have also come down to something as ridiculous as a judge asking “where do you keep your dog?”

Jack Baruth's avatar

This is the kind of eternal shuffle that the Monaco-based motorsports people like Lewis Hamilton go through. Once you decide to become a "Tax exile", it's all to play for.

Ataraxis's avatar
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The term CA uses is rebuttable. No matter what facts you provide on residency, they’re all “rebuttable.”

And you just know that you could say “I never left the State of Ohio last year and can provide photos, and California would say “We don’t think so.”

Jack Baruth's avatar

And none of this stuff, as I understand it, can really be taken to an impartial court or judge.

seatosky's avatar

All this while the car belongs to an LLC (which is a person for many certain legal purposes.) What if someone’s driving a company car from Texas- do they get a pass and the Montana company’s employees gets harassed? Seems like CA Is picking and choosing what it wants to be upset about

Ataraxis's avatar

Your last sentence is correct. The low level bureaucrat who comes after you randomly is just interpreting CA regs in a manner that he thinks will get him accolades from mid level bureaucrats. The regs are written to encourage this. Once the low level bureaucrat decides you are wrong and they are right, regardless of the facts, you are cooked. There’s no recourse.

Mob bosses don’t usually directly tell their foot soldiers what to do. The foot soldiers do what they think their bosses want. This creates plausible deniability for the bosses, and as long as the foot soldiers guess correctly they get rewarded for their actions.

Having lived in Chicago my whole life and having observed the Democrats up close, they are structured just like the Mob in how they distribute power and spoils. The only thing the Dems don’t do is direct Mob hits to kill rivals or disfavored members. Usually.

seatosky's avatar

Seth Rich would agree

seatosky's avatar

Of course, US citizens can never be tax exiles.

And I’ll move to California and pay taxes there before I ever consider putting the insipid maple leaf flag on my vehicle so that I can “stay out of trouble.” Thats what Canadian backpackers do so people don’t think they’re from the greatest country on earth

Jack Baruth's avatar

To be fair, it is also what women put on their cars so you know you won't have to work too hard to get it.

Scott A's avatar

20 years ago, Canada was like americas cool cousin. They grew up and developed a drug habit but still think it's 2007.

Flashman's avatar

Au contraire, that’s what American backpackers do, so people won’t think they’re from the self-proclaimed “greatest country on earth”.