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Henry C.'s avatar

Karmelo? How about Belfast!?

Speed's avatar

all it took was a feral african beheading someone in broad daylight to get the party started

shouldve happened way sooner but better late than never

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Beheading? I missed that video.

Speed's avatar

its brutal. just a mentally disabled guy getting hacked to death in the street

TedTheoLogan's avatar

link to an article about it even? I heard about a guy who lost an eye and the victim's family asking for peace and non-violence.

Henry C.'s avatar

The MO in these instances is for the government to bribe, cajole and probably threaten the families to make those statements. In the US this agency is the Community Relations Service branch of the DOJ. Then the story is buried.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

So no article about a brutal beheading is available, because of "government?" I can VPN to Europe and find something if it exists. Please, I'd love to see your truth.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Am I a troll for describing the situation accurately?

Ataraxis's avatar

Stop with the accuracy deflection.

As you can see we are not buying what you’re selling.

Please let us know what your real point is.

Jack Baruth's avatar

You can talk about it. I find it invigorating.

Jack Baruth's avatar

The response, I should clarify, not the inciting incident.

Henry C.'s avatar

As long as it ends up a proper pogrom and not just a simple riot. If leadership ends up getting what they so richly deserve, you'll know it's serious.

Rick T.'s avatar

I found much more coverage of the “racist” protests by the natives than the attempted murder by the immigrant. I’m assuming imminent arrests of social media posters there because writing about it is worse than committing the crime.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

One incident was a random act of violence. The other was a masked riot fed by right wing social media. That's apples to walnuts, Richard.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Entirely reasonable, but you could also frame it as "One incident was an absolutely typical, and frequently repeated, act of cross-racial hatred. The other was a black swan event that won't repeat because the police will punish its organizers more than they'd ever think about punishing the Rotherham rapists."

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Sure, problems exist in Northern Ireland, and greater Europe, and everywhere honestly. This wasn't a reasonable response that is to be emulated or celebrated in my opinion.

Speed's avatar

one was an african doing african things

the other was a group of white men burning houses of immigrants because they were fed up with the situation unfolding time and time again

or was that not describing the situation accurately

Nplus1's avatar

"Random" as in who could have imagined this fake refugee African would be more likely to commit violence than an Irish citizen?

Speed's avatar

literally just luck of the draw bro

we are all identical under the skin

or something

John Van Stry's avatar

The two opposing sides from back during the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland have suddenly joined forces. A lot of people are expecting a LOT of violence to break out against the invaders and they're expecting it in about 12 days.

Hopefully it will spread to the rest of Ireland.

Henry C.'s avatar

To the rest of Europe. FTFY

John Van Stry's avatar

I'm Dutch - Irish (and a little AmInd) so right now, I'd just like to get Ireland back... :-)

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Another person wishing for violence to spread?

Henry C.'s avatar

History has shown us that nothing else works.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

What kind of violence are you outright calling for here? And violence against who/what? You say you're Dutch/Irish. Where do you reside?

Donkey Konger's avatar

Ted, post your 23andMe and a face photo of the SCIF you are in.

We need to get to the bottom of why on earth you are like this

Rick T.'s avatar

I’m reminded of Jefferson’s famous letter which is unfortunately become more apt:

“And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Arms against who/what? Which liberties aren't being preserved, specifically?

Rick T.'s avatar

As in another response to you, my troll sensor is going off so I’ll respectfully decline.

Nplus1's avatar

The right to not get stabbed in the street by someone who should never have come within a thousand miles of you.

John Van Stry's avatar

Guys like you make me sick, if I'm being honest here. You're perfectly fine with the immigrants and muslims raping, murdering, beheading, the native population, the white people. But the moment they start defending themselves and attacking these savages you're all like:

"HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELVES FROM SLAUGHTER!!!"

There's only room for one 'race' in that country - that's been made clear. Excuse me if I'm backing the white people. Who built that country and made it great, and from whence most of my ancestors came.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Where am I or anyone being on record as being "perfectly fine with" the rest of your drivel? You're fighting shadows.

Could you define "race" for me by the way? I'd love to hear it.

Jeff H's avatar

Guys like "Ted Theo Logan" have almost clinical sociopathic self-delusion the way they compartmentalize reality... "who's a bad immigrant who arrived with malicious intentions and low-trust behavior?", as if being unable to cite each member of the invading horde by name fully vindicates his compartmentalized worldview...

...the way these sociopaths work is: 1) you're a "conspiracy theorist" for thinking there might be, oh I don't know, the massive chain migration of a Third World who immediately subverts the high-trust systems of our country... 2) evidence starts trickling out, like for example, independent journalists discover the Third World migrants engaging in deliberate fraud... citing such evidence makes you a "racist" because of course, our citizens do the same thing)... 3) finally, after the damage is done and the subversion of our once high-trust systems complete, and the "conspiracy theorists" and "racists" were actually right all along, the sociopathic Left declares victory and because you have just become irrelevant anyway...

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Who are you quoting Geoff? It isn't me.

Nplus1's avatar

Well, he lives in Minnesota. What do you expect?

Ice Age's avatar

Eh, violence is a tool - it all depends on who's using it, and for what purpose.

Charles's avatar

Violence unfortunately is necessary. The bad guys will break every unwritten rule right up to the point of violence. The only next escalation left is violence if you want to keep up with their game.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

You're hoping violence spreads?

Speed's avatar

its a response to endless migrant violence not a random riot about nothing

John Van Stry's avatar

Actually I hoping the violence STARTS!! After that? Yeah, I'll be cheering on the sidelines for it to spread.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

Why stay on the sidelines, John? Why not get into the fray and really stand for what you believe? Share the excuses proudly in a reply.

John Van Stry's avatar

Okay, before we continue this conversation I want to know:

Your real name

Your address (where you live)

Your age

Where you were born

What you do for a living

I'm not here anonymously. You are. If you want to engage in that level, I want to know exactly who I'm talking to.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

You're an author apparently? Cool. My name is Jared Faidley. You can find my information easily. I'm just a car guy who doesn't care for violence.

Do you want my social security number or passport ID? My tax returns?

I cannot wait for your excuses to stay out of the fight you're so desperate to see happen.

Nplus1's avatar

You can find him elsewhere. He definitely uses the same user name for other accounts, e.g. Everyday Driver's patreon.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

BLACK DUMPLING™

@BlackDumpling

Jun 10

What's happening in Ireland isn't a riot.

It's a Counteroffensive.

Call it what it is.

https://xcancel.com/BlackDumpling/status/2064525858971263137#m

John Van Stry's avatar

Things will most likely get very spicy tomorrow night.

Andrew White's avatar

I've been watching Belfast TikTok and they're getting serious. It's being deleted and accounts are being banned but they're working faster than the dummies working remote can.

Ice Age's avatar

Never get their Irish up!

sgeffe's avatar

(::Rim shot!::)

MD Streeter's avatar

It has to be compounded by that Nowak who got knifed to death by a Sikh last year. The Sikh just got his sentence and has been back in the news. They've been up in arms across the UK about it. There's a ton of tension on the isles.

Rick T.'s avatar

I’m having a hard time imagining NOT being outraged by knowing the last thing a murder victim hears is he’s not been stabbed and had his Miranda equivalent rights read to him while handcuffed and bleeding out instead of receiving first aid.

Jack Baruth's avatar

NO I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE, MATE

KoR's avatar
Jun 11Edited

I don’t feel like getting into it re: the media’s culpability in the Karmello Anthony case, the Nowak case, and this other one in Belfast to incite people. Lots of people wrong. Looks like the courts in all cases got it right though.

What I WILL say is that BLM and the riots/protests of the last decade have ALWAYS been correct in their assertion that cops everywhere suck shit and there needs to be more oversight of them.

JasonS's avatar

It's hard to take any of it seriously. The media lied about Zimmerman. The media lied about Rittenhouse. And the protests in Ferguson were absolutely NOT correct in that case.

Rick T.'s avatar

They discredit themselves in my eyes anyway when they twist the facts like they did in Ferguson as an excuse to riot and - in the case of the BLM leaders - enrich themselves. There’s an old fable about a boy and a wolf which applies to much of this.

KoR's avatar

Note I’m not defending BLM as an organization, just saying that it is the morally correct thing to do to protest against police and ask for more oversight.

It took BLM to make that a more mainstream opinion, and that’s a broadly good thing.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"cops everywhere suck shit and there needs to be more oversight of them."

Policemen, by design and necessity, are 105IQ paralegals with hypertension and chronic depression. They are a poor tool. You can't build a society on them. You need a society that largely governs itself, THEN a cop is useful.

It is no coincidence that the "bad cops" and the "killer cops" are almost always in high-crime areas. I'm not aware of any "killer cops" in the entire history of my township or neighborhood. What would they do? Whom would they kill? Nobody DOES anything!

What I've learned in my travels through the justice system is that, in general:

* Police and other LE people, ****including the attorneys and judges****, are frequently low-value thugs whom you don't want near you at any time;

* They are shining examples of humanity compared to the people they often have to police.

KoR's avatar

Agreed in full!

If only there was more oversight on them so that the corruption ALSO inherent to the position (hello civil asset forfeiture, for example, or cops committing crimes getting “prosecuted” by their friends. Or at a much lower stakes, speed traps even) could be curtailed.

I grew up in a town with **zero** police force, interestingly enough.

Though as a white male have been hassled by police the town over for several very silly reasons to include “smelling like a grape game cigar” (I don’t and never really have smoked weed), and getting stopped on suspicion of DUI (I didn’t drink that night) because I picked up my friend from a bar and turned around in an empty McDonalds parking lot.

Cops have a very tough job that I would never want to do. We should DEMAND better of all of them too. The culture of the job largely prevents reform from happening in this country.

Henry C.'s avatar

If anything the amount of body cam footage now available makes me on the whole, though not exclusively, more sympathetic to LEOs with regard to those notoriously troublesome subgroups.

A glaring exception might be cop who murdered the unarmed, fully compliant white guy he had ordered to his knees and then to crawl on his belly. With a rifle.

Rick T.'s avatar

“ You need a society that largely governs itself, THEN a cop is useful.”

This eternal and fundamental truth cannot be repeated enough. Otherwise it’s armed occupations and gibbets/crucifixes for almost any offense like the old days. It’s a shame most people don’t realize it.

Donkey Konger's avatar

"What I WILL say is that BLM and the riots/protests of the last decade have ALWAYS been correct in their assertion that cops everywhere suck shit and there needs to be more oversight of them."

Man, you really got me tapdancing to enemy tunes here,

But if anything, the bodycam movement that sprung out of the summer of love has been the greatest political self-own the left may have ever done. I assumed at the outset that we would see tens (or low hundreds?) of Daniel Shavers. Instead it's this: https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-13960333/Shocking-moment-woman-shot-dead-cop-slashing-multiple-times-knife.html --- day, after day, after day, after day

KoR's avatar

As I said elsewhere, body cams are great when actually used correctly.

Police generally fight tooth and nail against them, but they work great to exonerate officers acting appropriately too. And that’s a good thing!

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

What did the media incite in Belfast?

As far as I can tell, the MSM is attempting a blackout, but I saw the cell phone video of the attempted beheading on X Formerly Known As Twitter soon after it happened.

I realized months ago that the Irish would probably be the first to revolt. It seems to me that the (Northern) Irish saw the video and decided that they needed to exercise their Second Amendment rights (without benefit of the actual 2A).

Rick T.'s avatar

I read somewhere from an original poster that all of the reposts are coming from America. There are only Likes coming from the UK because they are anonymous. I’ll see if I can find it.

The authorities CLAIM suppression but what they really mean is that they don’t want the people to know what a shite job they are doing with governing. (Not my original thought.)

Henry C.'s avatar

It may be worse than that. The act of pulling his arms behind his back opened the vein he was bleeding out from, according to a Brit M.E.

Sean's avatar

And yet who has been fired. There trying to dampen any repose by having a 6

Month commission of

Enquiry

The uk and Europe is lost

Sean's avatar

This is what happens when your

Police force becomes the leftist woke force

KoR's avatar

Nah

Predominantly right wing/conservative police forces in the US do the exact same shit.

Sean's avatar
Jun 11Edited

The French have a song for cop

Le Fliq

It always sounded descriptive

It’s also very dependant on your age and how you handle yourself

I like southern food, more human less pedantic

Rick T.'s avatar

Le Fliq?

C’est chic!

CJinSD's avatar

Do you mean like the Capitol Police? Like the NYPD, who stood guard for Antifa and arrested the Proud Boys for protecting old Republicans from being beaten by the Democrats' domestic terror arm?

KoR's avatar

Respectfully, we have a different enough view on reality that I’m not going to engage on this one.

Fat Baby Driver's avatar

That CB1000F just DOES IT for me. My last street bike was the 1982 CB900F that it’s very faithfully styled after. It kicked off Bikes Out for Harambe long ago.

What a terrible time for me to be an unemployed broke ass.

Terry Murray's avatar

Mine was and ‘81 CB900F. The new one’s beaut.

Andrew White's avatar

I too had a 900F'er. I commuted on it and it was a fine little bike. But when it rained the coils would get wet and it would run on two cylinders. Minor engineering flaw. Otherwise, really fun.

Eric L.'s avatar

Why are you unemployed? Aren't you a software dev?

Fat Baby Driver's avatar

I am, but my duties are mostly ceremonial. VP of Engineering.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Aren't most software devs unemployed or retired right now?

( Also your phrasing reminded me of: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/why-are-you-gay )

Eric L.'s avatar

<3 Should I call you Mistah? I am neither unemployed, nor retired. But "Mythos" debuted and will be accessible for a week before going behind a pay wall, so I guess that's all the time I have left to secure a future for myself.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I said "most."

Some MBA on LinkedIn was talking about the impending price hikes as though it was some sort of limited-time opportunity. My understanding is that a) using LLMs requires tons of re-engineering and b) software is rarely a "fire and forget" asset, and vibeslop is definitely not one of those times; therefore, investing resources in becoming dependent on an input whose cost is about to skyrocket seems stupid.

Eric L.'s avatar

It's certainly not stupid if you abhor the idea of people ever being paid $100-$500K a year to write computer programs, Leyland...

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

One thing that ACF has done for me, if "Sherman McCoy" is representative, is to help me understand how much employers HATE HATE HATE employees, and the lengths, no matter how cost-ineffective, they will go to to rid themselves of them.

Robert Shelton's avatar

Of course that LA election is fraudulent. And before people say, "but this means more sane people are going to move out of LA," the Dems reaction will be, "so what?" This is a feature not a bug. Once the few remaining sane voters leave LA, it will be a Blue hellhole forever. They can change the city's name to Mogadishu West.

Jack Baruth's avatar

I cannot STAND the fact that human beings are abandoning Los Angeles. It is a fabulous and delightful place to live -- or it USED to be, anyway.

Joshua Fromer's avatar

I personally still think LA is a fine place to be, so much so that I often consider moving back. It has a ton of issues but like most American cities is worth saving.

Donkey Konger's avatar

+1.

If you make enough money, LA must remain an incredibly desirable place.

One of the last blue American cities where communism can’t quite overcome the sheer natural beauty and glory of the place itself.

…or maybe I’m just telling myself that. Havent been in three or four years!

LyriqalGenius's avatar

Living there 20 years I’ve never understood why my many very entrepreneurial, business owning friends were far left politically. California is still the seventh largest economy in the world if it were a country! LA is a paradox in that regard.

Donkey Konger's avatar

To have entrepreneurial LA buddies would be a real trip. I want to get invited to the bachelor parties you attend 😂

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I don't know the answer, but "worth saving" and "can be saved" are different properties.

Scott A's avatar

Mexico will own LA within the next 50 years.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"How's your espanol? Learn that shit, man!" -- Lonzo, in "Training Day"

Ice Age's avatar

All the Spanish I know, I got from Speedy Gonzalez cartoons and "Predator" movies.

Rick T.'s avatar

They’ll say they just rightfully and finally took it back but some Indian tribes will disagree. I say go all Jurassic Park, clone the mammoths and Sabre tooth tigers, and give it back to THEM. Dinosaur rights have expired.

Chuck S's avatar

I like that idea, actually, and there's plenty of DNA to do that in the research center at LaBrea Tar Pits to make it happen

Rick T.'s avatar

What could go wrong?

Chuck S's avatar

I can't imagine anything bad coming of it, but even if it were, it's LA. who'd notice?

kiddingnotkiddingbutami?

Donkey Konger's avatar

Chuck, Welcome to Team Us.

We’re glad to have you.

🤝

Chuck S's avatar

well, to be fair, it was theirs until the US seized it during the Mexican-American War, so they'd be taking it back.

TedTheoLogan's avatar

I like the rest of California, but I don't want to go to LA proper. I skirted close to drive the Angeles Crest once, but LA proper just feels like a nightmare for a guy from Minnesota in a car.

Jack Baruth's avatar

It's not that bad if you're patient. Easier on a motorcycle. I have more than a hundred days of driving around LA under my belt, haven't killed myself yet

TedTheoLogan's avatar

You're a pro compared to me. And honestly I had two seizures last year and bikes are just out for me after that I think.

KoR's avatar

It just took me 3.5 hours to drive the ~80 miles home from DC

Surely LA can’t be that bad

Steve Ward's avatar

Well, not every day, but yes it can be that bad.

I dread having to drive thru LA every time we want to go to the northern part of the state or OR/WA.

KoR's avatar

At least the weather is nice?

CJinSD's avatar

You can spend 3.5 hours driving eight miles in LA, if things aren't going your way. Mind you I also recall being able to see the entrance ramp I'd used to get on I-95 South in my rear view mirror an hour and forty-five minutes after I'd left my place in Alexandria.

KoR's avatar

So all in all about equal then.

What a system, what a country…

Wyatt LCB's avatar

I

Would

Be

LIVID

(you still averaged 2mph more than I do on my normal post-work commute but that's at least over in 40min)

Steve Ward's avatar

Depends on where you want to go and when during the week.

Rick T.'s avatar

I have fond memories spending a couple of summers there back when. I actually got to listen to “Ventura Highway” while driving on Ventura Highway…on an 8 track car player!

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

There's a spot on eastbound I-80 in New Jersey where the road rises and you can see New York City in the distance. Once, after driving overnight to NYC, we reached that spot just as dawn was breaking. As we crested the rise, Little Feat was playing Feats Don't Fail Me Now on the cheap cassette deck, and we heard Lowell George sing,

"Don't the sunrise look so pretty - never such a sight

Like rollin' into New York City with the skyline in the morning light

Roll right through the night"

Shooter's avatar

That’s funny, when we drove south from Rennsport Reunion 7 in 2023, I made a point to play Ventura Highway as we drove on it to our hotel in Ventura.

Ice Age's avatar

Up until 1990.

California in general, and Los Angeles in particular, were actually desirable places to live from WWII to Gulf War I. Four and a half decades of what was arguably the apex of human civilization.

Oh, and it seems you have a troll loose in your house, Jack.

Gianni's avatar

I prefer troll 1.0 (Sherman) to 2.0.

MD Streeter's avatar

I like Sherman's posts! I like everyone's engagement with him, too. We can't all just toe the line.

Nplus1's avatar

I, too, like Sherman. I always have to check myself and wonder if I'm just jealous of his money.

Jack Baruth's avatar

There are 50 or more people here on ACF who could buy and sell him. He is more a spokesperson for wealth than an active holder of it.

Jeff Winks's avatar

He may be wrong about things but he’s not a jerk like 2.0

Jack Baruth's avatar

Well *actually* he is just...

yeah, it's a problem.

Shooter's avatar

Ice Age, shit, that’s EVERY city on the planet.

I grew up in Austin, Texas. Austin was absolute paradise on earth until 1990.

Hot chicks everywhere, you could wait tables and play base in a band and live like a king.

Now? Shit, now it’s L.A. in the Hill Country.

If I had to pick a time of death, I’d choose the day Liberty Lunch closed.

When the “Triangle” was developed, and when the Conan’s Pizza “Cosmic Store” closed, those were just nails in the coffin of Austin.

MD Streeter's avatar

Not EVERY city on the planet. If you go to Tokyo or any other big Japanese city you'd have a very nice time with lots of nice scenery. God, I miss living there.

Ataraxis's avatar

The increase in America’s overall wealth ruined many, many places.

What you described was the effect of an America that was more egalitarian and one that was not as economically segregated as we are now. But sadly, we are more economically segregated out of necessity.

It’s just Americans self selecting, and they can’t be blamed for it.

LyriqalGenius's avatar

My wife grew up in LA county during those years, and the smog was horrible. It was only when the smog-less older vehicles finally aged out that you could regularly see the surrounding Sierra Nevada mountain ranges. It was always nice to see the often snow capped mountains while I lived there from 2000-2020.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I was in LA for a day last year. I drove straight from the car rental at LAX out to Cypress in Orange County, then to Pico-Robertson in LA to get some kosher food and then back to LAX. Orange County looked like a picture postcard promoting southern California. Los Angeles was dystopian. People living in old Winnebagos within blocks of the airport. Way more homeless folks pushing shopping carts up La Cienega than I've ever seen in Detroit. Armed security guards in every retail establishment of any size, also something I rarely see around Detroit.

Chuck S's avatar

a lot of that can be blamed on the state's K-shaped economy and housing prices. California has the world's 7th largest economy, yet here in the Bay Area we have literally had teachers living in Winnebagos because they can't afford homes.

I love California, but also hate it.

Nplus1's avatar

I have limited time in CA. My impressions were that OC and San Diego are spectacular. LA and Long Beach are scary.

Ataraxis's avatar

The area I stayed at in LA in December was alternately wealthy and dilapidated. Not a great combination. The broken and heaving cracked sidewalks were a horrendous sign of no civic pride. The city just doesn’t care and it was obvious.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Orange County, home of the best game show contestant in history (0:20): https://www.youtu.be/0Vm6PnuP24g

LyriqalGenius's avatar

Same here, although I’m another one who abandoned it. I moved back to Asheville where I grew up.

My wife is LA born and raised, so I lived there for 20 years. I loved my time there.

1. Car capital of the world…LA worships the car.

2. Roads. Angeles crest and the canyons in LA county are empty on weekdays. And NEVER patrolled!

3. Entrepreneurial spirit. There’s a self-starter culture that transcends ethnicity…I could name friends of all ethnicities that own successful businesses.

The one party politics grated on me, and Covid finally caused me to leave. I took my then five-year-old son to the playground and they had police tape around it. Then Newsome forbade schools to open until Fall 2021. I decided I didn’t want to raise my kids in the state anymore.

ex101st's avatar

I lived in a high-rise in downtown LA 30 years ago. Used to walk from my place to the Biltmore for cocktails and cigars and the occasional dinner In Bernards. On my last visit in April, downtown makes Tijuana look like paradise.

Joe's avatar

Regarding the stolen election in California, we are turning into a Russian oligarchy, in which we witness fraud and corruption and pretend that it’s acceptable, we individually can do nothing about it and it makes almost no sense to even acknowledge that it exists.

NoHyperbole's avatar

I'm with you. I'm a resident of L.A., and I'm not happy with the results of this election. The idea of a stolen election causes me great cognitive dissonance.

The optics are definitely there, but how could it be that there aren't any Republicans, Pratt supporters, and/or fair-minded people or people with a conscience involved with the process of counting the ballots? I would like to think someone would have sounded the alarm. How could something like this be put past every single person who would object? And, realistically, how would you identify those people ahead of time with 100% accuracy?

Joe's avatar

How did Pelosi get elected, when everyone knows how crooked she is? I think the ACLU ignores because they are another ngo that is for the democrats.

Jack Baruth's avatar

As I understand it, the mail-in balloting process in California allows ANYONE to submit ANY NUMBER of ballots at once, as long as they are legitimate original ballots. There doesn't need to be any corruption inside the ballot building.

Joe's avatar

Just the fact that anyone can vote, be they citizen or foreign in California is antithetical to what citizenship means in this country, the enemy’s are inside the gates.

Erik's avatar

And you can get paid for collecting ballots. Not paid for a single ballot. But picking up multiples is fine.

Rick T.'s avatar

Yes ballot harvesting.

Steve Ward's avatar

You can’t like go somewhere and get blank ballots and take them away.

The ballots are mailed to everyone before the election, and you either mail them in (in the provided envelope), or drop them off in designated ballot boxes.

Or you go to a polling place and you can fill out a ballot there and submit it.

To “harvest” ballots, someone would have to go door to door and get people to give them their ballot. While theoretically possible it would be a huge logistical challenge. And, it would assume the Democratic party is actually competent enough to pull off such a massive thing without any evidence leaking out, and there is plenty of data proving that party is not competent.

ScottM's avatar

THAT is the only thing they are competent at

Steve Ward's avatar

It may be the thing they are least incompetent at, but you won’t convince me that the Dem party of today is “competent”.

New User Name's avatar

Don't know if LA is like here, but Washington State's King County Elections allows you to log in with a name, address, and birthday to print a ballot on a computer.

And given that public PDF images of voter initiatives have the required information *and* a signature, you could theoretically.... do the needful.

Dan's avatar

Omw to California with a fully loaded trailer of Jeb! ballots

Speed's avatar

HE CAN STILL WIN

Rick T.'s avatar

Here’s several vehicles for sale that will help navigate the mean streets of Columbus and other cities in comfort and safety. Probably not quickly, though. Just saw on CFP.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/fleet-of-secret-service-chevy-suburban-hds-with-superchargers-now-available-to-the-public

Rick T.'s avatar

Not sure how they do it there. I was a Republican poll worker in Chicago. At the end of the day, they’d take the thumb drives from the voting machines and stick them into some device which magically sent the results back to some central location. We loaded the paper ballots onto a van to be delivered to a place where they were stored. No one knew the final resting place and how a ballot could ever be located again.

Joe's avatar

Very transparent…NOT.

Steve Ward's avatar

Its all paper ballots that get machine read.

Rick T.'s avatar

In many places I believe all mail in ballots are supposed to have signatures compared and other security procedures in place. I believe I remember this was not done in many places in 2020.

And I also seem to remember boxes being delivered late at night to counting areas.

No time tonight to try and verify my recollections.

Nplus1's avatar

Something I don't get: in Ohio, I can login online to see that my vote was counted but I cannot see how the vote was cast. Why can't I confirm that my choices were recorded correctly?

MD Streeter's avatar

Michigan is the same.

Scott A's avatar

They don't want other people being able to coerce you and then confirm who you voted for. Same reason you can't photograph a ballot.

Nplus1's avatar

But how do I know they didn’t swap my ballot choices later?

New User Name's avatar

You don't. That also by design.

Their claim is that you can't be coerced, but yet allow vote by mail .

Acd's avatar

If republicans ever want to win an election or make and headway in California they are going to have to learn how to play the election game the way democrats do by ballot harvesting and doing whatever they have to do in order to get ballots filled out the way they want and then getting them into drop boxes and into the counting rooms.

It would only take one statewide republican win for California democrats to demand immediate election reform.

Steve Ward's avatar

CA has had Rep governors

Acd's avatar

Its been a while since that happened and is unlikely to happen again under their current election rules.

Steve Ward's avatar

A competent, sensible, non-wack-job Rep could easily win CA governor.

CJinSD's avatar

Do you think that Newsome is a sensible non-wack-job? How crazy are the current Republicans in your opinion who aren't winning after Newsome looted and burned his way through his term relative to anyone who still votes for California Democrats without having their own NGO collecting graft?

Rick T.'s avatar

I don’t think the average California voter would even know what competent and sensible look like. They’re never seen or in one of their politicians.

Acd's avatar

Democrats in California would vote for a dead cat over any republican and if they didn't the democrats in power could make it so the cat wins thanks to their election laws.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Calvary Chapel Chino Hills has a ballot operation. Democrat observers showed up to monitor and were disappointed to find no violations.

Henry C.'s avatar

There is a theory floated that in the countdown from getting kicked out of Afghanistan to collapse, Trump is our Yeltsin.

Joe's avatar

I don’t think so, and this part of history has yet to be written.

Henry C.'s avatar

History just has to rhyme.

Joe's avatar

I don’t believe that the United States is any where near as precarious today as was The USSR in 1988, yes history often repeats itself, and really, Europe looks a lot more precarious.

Scott A's avatar

I think America is a lot closer than anyone thinks and europe is a powerkeg waiting to blow. Imagine if Putin actually has serious thoughts of expansion how tits up this all goes. The USA has just shot it's wad twice but at least we have an ocean between us. Europe doesn't even have a wad to shoot

Henry C.'s avatar

I believe Putin was doing his best to emulate Peter the Great and reinforce ties to Europe. His attempts rebuked violently, probably because of grudges about as old, he will instead now isolate and pivot south and east. After crushing the coked out chimp with a (NATO supplied, pin-pulled) hand grenade in Ukraine, of course.

Steve Ward's avatar

Putin is also quickly running out of wads. Unless he goes nuclear.

Chuck S's avatar

We've shot our wad twice while having our collective ass handed to us by Iran, which has taken pretty much everything we've thrown at it and is not only still standing, but has taken a sizeable portion of the global economy hostage by seizing the Strait of Hormuz.

I don't think either Russia or China have any thoughts of expanding into the US, but at this point they've got to be thinking we won't be much of a problem should they decide to expand into someplace we care about.

Chuck S's avatar

the difference being Trump doesn't drink.

Rick T.'s avatar

I find it amazing that when confronted with the facts like she entered the race late, had no name recognition, ran virtually no campaign, didn’t even win her own precinct (?) and then massively outperforms even the mayor after Election Day, it raises NO questions from the usual suspects.

Joe's avatar

They accomplished with her what they were unable to accomplish with Harris. In broad daylight with everyone looking.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

Important to bear in mind that it is only the evil, WOKE CUCK, lizard person, DEMON RAT party that is doing this.

Donald Trump and his family are the only bulwark we have against people looting our country.

Joe's avatar

Agreed, but many republicans are guilty too, time will tell.

Chuck S's avatar

pretty sure Sherman was being sarcastic / ironic about Trump being a bulwark against looting the country.

Joe's avatar

I don’t disagree 😏

KoR's avatar

Oh the people on here who will think you said this sincerely…

ScottM's avatar

It is willful ignorance from the media. I grew up in St. Claire County Illinois and it was run by a Democrat machine that rivaled Chicago. The county is mostly rural with two towns of around 45000 people; Belleville, 100% white at the time, and East St. Louis, 100% black at the time. The Democrats had split the county into 2 voting districts with ESL being one district and the rest of the county the other. ESL was always the last to report their votes and always managed to produce just enough votes to put the Democrats over the line. Everyone knew what was going on. I knew several Democrat politicians that readily admitted they paid people to vote in ESL. There was a Pulitzer prize waiting for a reporter to break that story but somehow they never did. It's not quite as bad now that Belleville is integrated and ESL's population has dropped so low that even the Democrats can't manufacture enough votes to push all of the Democrats over the line. But it's still run by Democrats and they still have shenanigans going on and the media is still willfully blind.

Nplus1's avatar

But there has never been voting fraud in this country! Except that one time a republican did it in North Carolina!

Rick T.'s avatar

That’s the thing. The media shows zero interest in investigating plausible claims.

If the politicians who are so interested in saving our democracy would have opened the books and shown us that 2020 election was free and fair, that would have saved us years of strife. Instead they’ve consistently stonewalled any attempt at transparency.

That tells me something. The same thing is happening with voter, Medicaid, etc rolls in the blue states. Zero cooperation and lawsuits to fight any efforts to clean them up.

Chuck S's avatar

and it goes up to and includes the White House.

Scott A's avatar

I'm shocked these data centers don't get burned down by disgruntled residents

I'm shocked the blatant election fraud isn't met with violence. I suspect we'll hit an inflection point eventually and it'll get hot really fast but that could be in 3 weeks or 30 years.

I'd like to add I have no datacenters in this town nor do I care about LA enough to enact violence on any politician. But, I am still shocked no one does.

If anyone suggest you burn down your local datacenters, that's the Fed. If you come to it of your own devices.... it's the CIA.

MD Streeter's avatar

Why does everyone hate the data centers? Is it because they take up space? They have to contribute more to the tax base than vacant land. I'm not sure there's an exemption carve out for them in the MCL unless they build in some sort of brownfield or NEZ.

The park thing in today's ORT is egregious, though. Title work should have identified that and prevented it from happening.

Scott A's avatar

They'll double your utility bills and ruin your water supply while the datacenter reaps all the rewards and the residents get screwed. How many jobs do they provide?

KoR's avatar

Like 10 lol

My county just issued a moratorium on them, in a rare spot of good news.

Steve Ward's avatar

Until someone gets bought off.

Steve Ward's avatar

Probably a net negative number of jobs.

Auto-No-X's avatar

They always get huge tax exemptions and so contribute nothing to the tax base. They don't add any beneficial jobs to the economy -- a few dozen illegals during construction and a dozen H1Bs after construction. They obligate power companies to permanently upgrade power infrastructure at huge cost to locals. They are hugely noisy and yet somehow bypass zoning to get built next to residential neighborhoods.

Stan Galat's avatar

I'm not a fan of how this is all coming about, but...

.... "a few dozen illegals during construction"?!?

A data center of any size will involve thousands of skilled tradesmen to build it -- enough so that Meta is starting their own trade schools, allowing people to enroll for free, and guaranteeing them a job when they finish. There's a data center going up in my sisters new homeland (Cheyenne, WY) and the biggest concern there is the man-camp they're constructing to house the workers. There are projected to be 8000 of them.

It's not all sweetness and light, but please don't call 8000 skilled trades jobs, "a few dozen illegals".

Speed's avatar

a few thousand illegals then?

Stan Galat's avatar

Ya gotta find a different drum to bang, Speed. Skilled trades jobs are solidly middle-class. Who gets them is a discussion completely separate from the fact that a data center is going to create tens of thousands of them.

... but to answer the point directly, the skilled trades unions (especially the IBEW and SMWI) are going to make sure that these jobs are going to union tradesmen, who are almost exclusively citizens of this country.

Speed's avatar

oh im not hoping they go to illegals but to actual americans. obviously id want to see the right men gainfully employed but im also aware that every attempt has been made to ensure they get undercut by people who shouldnt be here.

Ice Age's avatar

From the word "Go" until the silicon chip gets obsoleted.

Auto-No-X's avatar

My apologies, I failed to comprehend the sheer scale of this folly. But please don't call 8000 transient workers "8000 skilled trades jobs". Is this why I can't find a skilled tradesman in my town, because they are all building slop factories instead of housing?

Stan Galat's avatar

I don't want to beat this drum, sir -- but I call them "skilled trades jobs" because that is exactly what they are. The sheer number of journeyman electricians and sheet-metal workers it will take to put these things in is something almost nobody truly comprehends. We don't have enough of either, probably by half. The "scale of the folly" is astronomical.

There will be "transient worker" jobs on the sites for sure -- laborers constitute about half a normal jobsite. But these things are not "normal jobsites". They are more akin to a power-plant job in the amount of electricians, sheetmetal workers, and pipefitters they will employ during construction.

Their ongoing operation will chew up dozens (at least, and probably hundreds) of on-site tradesmen -- at least as many as would be required to keep a factory running. The scale of the cooling requirements for these things rival that of a nuclear plant.

We need to be having the discussion about whether this is what we want to be doing, just on its own -- but a realistic accounting of the workers it's going to take to build and keep them running should not be discounted.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

"This one time, at man camp..."

LyriqalGenius's avatar

I can’t imagine anything more depressing than living with 8000 other sausages at a camp in Wyoming wasteland. The AI porn traffic alone will melt down the data centers they are building.

Stan Galat's avatar

Agreed on both accounts, although I think finding oneself in abject poverty would doubtless be worse. Nobody lives in a man-camp because they think it'll be a great experience.

Charles's avatar

I'm still trying to understand the intent of data centers and why I would want more of them? As a citizen, my simple question is: How does it benefit me and the nation as a whole?

To me it looks like a net negative because we spend a shit ton of public money to put them together so that we will have less jobs. Am I missing something?

Henry C.'s avatar

Less jobs and a nigh omniscient surveillance state.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Speaking as a pedant myself, you must be great fun at parties.

MD Streeter's avatar

I always note the misuse of "fewer" and "less" but I tend to keep it to myself. I can respect his bold post, and I enjoy all of your pendanticness, too.

Scott A's avatar

They're plenty of land in this country to build them in the middle of nowhere. It's the "you can't build shit but google can" that really infuriates people. I don't have a problem with the concept of a datacenter

Charles's avatar

I used to not have a problem with datacenters but lately with how they intend to use these things at the scale they are building, it does have me a bit concerned.

The gov can't really do these massive social projects so they veil it as private investments. Somehow though, it's gov related. Kinda like how they forced the hand on things like EVs and Vaccines.

Scott A's avatar

Oh yeah, they're gonna ban us all for dissent "oh, I'm sorry, I can't run your AI querey right now"

S2kChris's avatar

“Your social credit score is insufficient for me to grant your request of putting bigger tits on Natalie Portman”

Steve Ward's avatar

I don’t either, PROVIDED, they are not connected to the electrical grid, and they are not allowed to pump water out of the ground or otherwise impact water supplies, AND they pay the same property tax rates as surrounding homeowners.

Scott A's avatar

Exactly. They bring huge externalities they need to help the infrastructure. This isnt bringing jobs or economic boom tontowns so they should pull their own weight

MD Streeter's avatar

That reminds me of the dark stores thing in Michigan: big box retailers argued successfully to the, oh, I think it was the MTT, that they should be taxed as though the land was empty because their sites are so specialized there's no market other than themselves for that specific type of store. Meijer came into Marquette promising all sorts of things and immediately dark stored themselves. You know who DIDN'T dark store themselves? Walmart. They sat down with Marquette Township officials and worked out a deal to contribute fairly to the tax base that satisfied both sides. I was shocked to learn that, I'd have thought for sure Walmart would go the dark store route.

Our solar farms in the southern end of the county are exempt thanks to MI's alternate energy exemptions. The MCL is written in such a way as to allow local units to determine certain exemptions and abatements themselves, so it will be up to local officials (and in the boonies you're dealing with arrogant, gamma-ass hicks in charge of everything) to stand up to the big tech companies if they don't want the data centers.

JasonS's avatar

Meta built one here next to the Toyota plant. They have their own solar farm.

What I find hilarious is that it was just a handful of years ago that some cities were taking plants offline as everything was becoming more efficient. Now we need more power generation.

For all the faults of the TVA, at least they are trying to bring nuclear back.

Ice Age's avatar

Here's my question: How can there be more money than at any time in history, yet the word "enshitification" defines modern America?

And the data centers are part of the problem here.

Speed's avatar

oh theres more money now than ever

its not going to us though

Scott A's avatar

Money is a medium of exchange. You can print more money but you cant print more things

Ice Age's avatar

You can with 3d printers...

MD Streeter's avatar

Well, in the case of Japanese cars, we're never getting another XV10 Camry because Japan will never again be sitting on a huge bubble of cash. The auto industry needs to be deregulated down to some basics. We can argue over what those are.

sgeffe's avatar

Let me have the ADAS bits as an option, if I’d like—I couldn’t live without adaptive cruise control—and if I want a set of claymores in various parts of the car, again, let that be my choice.

MD Streeter's avatar

I like parking sensors too, and backup cameras.

Charles's avatar

This is where we the people are pretty stupid. We know that the money only goes to the top with all of this AI Datacenter buildout. Yet, we just keep funneling all of our money into the stocks that's making this happen. All in hopes that we stay ahead of the pack, financially.

In the meantime, what is the point of the AI Datacenters? Probably surveillance and getting rid of a lot of workers. And for sure funneling money to the few. Looking at it macroscopically, we like to build our own nooses...

Edit: Proof, look at all of the funky people we keep voting BACK into office, decade after decade!

Steve Ward's avatar

The spice must flow to the oligarchy.

N600ES's avatar

One big turn-off is that they've become a gold rush for shady land developers who shush the local government and any neighbors who'll bite with a non-disclosure agreement, seek tax abatement, and make a plan to stuff the maximum number of cooling towers and natural gas "backup" generators on the property. Then they go looking for the power and water (power is hard, water just takes a promise of some $$ tomorrow). If nothing leaks out before the town council or county commission approves the final development agreement, the bulldozing has already occurred.

John Van Stry's avatar

They've been building a couple of data centers north of where I live for a while now. Started before the AI thing. Texas Instruments also decided to expand, rather than close, a major installation of theirs in the same area. As this is out in 'semi-country' and in an area no one really cared about (and not IN any town) everyone was cool with it. The TI place at least has it's own power, and pretty much everything else (there are a few fabs there and I think they're actually building some more, rather than shut the old ones down).

Right now, everything in that aspect is being done with everyone's approval. Hopefully that won't change.

Rick T.'s avatar

The current outrage here is that they want to build one next to the Nashville Zoo. The economics are unclear to me of putting it there but the outrage seems to be centered on…well it’s a data center.

JasonS's avatar

I'd be more concerned with the noise and the animals.

Rick T.'s avatar

That would be a fair point. You likely don’t know but they give an annual festival of lights for over a month where there’s all sorts of light displays at night. I personally would not attend because I think it’s bad for the animals and a money grab by the zoo.

https://www.nashvillezoo.org/zoolumination

JasonS's avatar

I live a few hours away and have been to Cheekwood several times and I've enjoyed their Xmas lights. Never have been to the zoo.

Rick T.'s avatar

Never been either. I have heard mixed reviews.

Ice Age's avatar

The Nashville Zoo? Could you be more specific?

I thought the whole of Nashville WAS the zoo.

Rick T.'s avatar

I take the advice of philosopher Elvis Costello who used to be disgusted but now tries to be amused. Doesn’t always work unfortunately.

Ice Age's avatar

Imagine Bill Hicks being optimistic. Yeah, not happening.

Steve Ward's avatar

I’ve been saying a real revolt is long overdue.

Joe's avatar

"I'm shocked these data centers don't get burned down"

Nah, that'll only allow the owners to collect on insurance.

MD Streeter's avatar

Antonelli is turning in a legendary performance every weekend. The best part about this kid is that he's bright and he loves F1 and its history and pangeantry: have you ever seen him in some of those goofy F1 games they make the drivers do? He knows tons of trivia and can identify those pictures where they change one thing in the time it takes a hummingbird to flap its wings. It's a shame Team LH won't shut up about how great it is to be #2. Maybe it's to get back at all the Max fans last year who are still sore over coming up 2 points short after that stellar end of his season...

I'm glad not everything else is depressing. That Honda stuff looks like good news for all the motorcycle riders here!

Scott A's avatar

He's one of the Likable drivers.

Hamilton is the worst. Princess George is a close second. Does that guy ever stop complaining? I don't mind Charles but you know he, or ferrari, is just gonna fuck it up. I like Max but redbull kinda sucks right now. I don't mind either of the McLaren drivers outside of Norris being boring. So... Go kimmy

Stan Galat's avatar

Kimi is really growing on me. He's just blindingly fast.

Max is an assassin, in all the best ways. George is a princess. LeClerc is never, ever gonna' be a champion. Norris is LeClerc who happened to win last year, and will never win again. Oscar showed every sign of being Max 2.0 until he folded after being asked to give up position for Norris last year (it got in his head and is still crawling around). Sir Lewis is... faster than he's been in a while, but WOW that guy is full of himself.

The guy who has grown on me the most in all of this is Toto. He's steadily, consistently won, no matter who is driving his cars. I liked Zac Brown for a hot minute when McLaren was "in persuit" -- but he's not a likable figure when he's on top. Fred is just lost. Horn Dog cannot get far enough away from the sport for me, he's a cocky Alfred E Newman. James Vowles is Toto 2.0, which is why I keep hoping for the best at Williams.

Scott A's avatar

Horn dog. What an idiot, what a fuckin idiot. Loyalty and faithfulness aside, Gingers still hot! Max has 5 championships if horndog keeps it in his pants*

*I don't even think he got any

Jack Baruth's avatar

I think he and Ginger have a deal of sorts. That's why she lined up behind him so quick. She doesn't need his money or his assets.

Scott A's avatar

I'm sure part of that deal is not getting caught. Women hate to be embarrassed but you have a good point on the lining up behind him much like susie wolf lines up behind toto.

Scott A's avatar

In unrelated news, this reminds me of something.

Harry's avatar

I saw and old Top Gear with her as the star in a reasonably priced car. I don't know if she is from Essex, but she was basically English Snookie, maybe JWOW.

I don't know Mr. Horner's background either, but somehow his demeanor and her money let her cosplay as gentry, which means their kids won't be cosplaying at it.

Probably worth it for both of them.

Chuck S's avatar

Let's not overlook Alonso, who is in it purely for the love of the game. He could do any number of things with his time and money, yet he keeps dragging dogs to better finishes than they deserve with teammates who were weren't out of grade school when he was winning three championships in a row. the guy has raced in something like one-third of all F1 faces in history and is still at it.

MD Streeter's avatar

Between perennial rookie Alonso and the King of all Trolls Max, there are some fun personalities on the grid. Alonso always looks pleased in a strange way to do the post-race and post-qualifying interviews.

Gianni's avatar

Imagine being Princess George’s engineer and listening to the whining over the radio for 2 hours.

Scott A's avatar

"He's 10.5 car lengths behind. He's only allowed to be 10!" They all bitch and complain but George is by far the worst. I guess I didn't really notice the Albon bitching.

April's avatar

One of the results of the LA mayoral race fraud goes far beyond its city limits. The engineered removal of Mr. Pratt from the race stole hope itself.

Normal citizens in blue zones and democratic in name only countries throughout the west have been shown there is no hope for change. That there is no point fighting the leftist blob as your best efforts will be defeated by "break-the-glass" contingencies.

In the above-mentioned areas there is no punishment for fraud only endless reward. Why would they act differently?

MD Streeter's avatar

Well, there is still one way to get things to change...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

April's avatar

All democratic nations would benefit from the right to bear arms. A case could be made that is a necessity of self-government.

John Van Stry's avatar

No American has the balls to do that anymore.

MD Streeter's avatar

Yeah, those were guys fresh from Omaha Beach in that revolt. I'm not sure how many of those are in the entire state of CA, let alone LA.

Steve Ward's avatar

There is a lot of active and former military here

MD Streeter's avatar

True, but do the numbers compare to post WWII?

S2kChris's avatar

There’s a good Fat Electrician video about everything worth knowing about.

https://youtu.be/tdIK3JFIWNI?si=uioRm0h4P7dRk6lv

Scott A's avatar

In a real country, Donald trump would quit the war in Iran and invade LA.

April's avatar

Warthogs over Hollywood

Henry C.'s avatar

Do you have the script rights to that yet?

April's avatar

I should be working but let's load up on coffee and bang out a treatment by end of day.

Scott A's avatar

Id take the quitting the war in iran half too

Colin's avatar

We all know you just got a semi.

JasonS's avatar

Or Escape From LA?

Ice Age's avatar

“Oh, come on. What’s wrong with California?”

“Really? REALLY? Let’s see, poorly-aimed gunfights viewed as urban recreation, taxes through the roof on everything, bums everywhere, halfwits who try to outrun the cops in their 200,000-mile, bone-stock shitboxes, hobos using public spaces as open-air toilets, the most basic house costs a million bucks, state & local governments have declared war on the common man, glass-egoed ethnic gangbangers who take EYE CONTACT as a mortal threat, illegal aliens that walk in daylight, EVERYTHING gives you cancer, sexual predators who ply their trade as if God Himself gave them permission, everyone’s flaky as hell, auto theft & narcotics trafficking so common as to be openly viewed as legitimate sectors of the economy, environmental laws that favor plants & animals over people, far & away the most totalitarian car inspection regime in America, Lower Case G’s, criminal gangs from every country on the planet, celebutante fame whores, smoking’s illegal but marijuana’s encouraged, government regulations that’re chasing all the non-criminal businesses out of the state, public employee unions powerful enough to bankrupt whatever legitimate government they have left out there, roads & bridges disintegrating because the government uses their funding to hire diversity zampolits, militarized police with itchy trigger fingers & a Judge Dredd mentality who’ll arrest someone for speeding while thugs burn down a liquor store a hundred feet away, pornographers who operate under the impression that the First Amendment applies to THEM and really, how far could I go on this tangent without using the word ‘cannibal?’ I’ll just say it - it’s an evil place where only monsters can thrive. And the ones who aren’t stealing BMWs, burning down entire cities in the name of racial justice, murdering each other over facial expressions, manufacturing entire libraries of pornography or writing as many noxious laws as fast as they fucking can are stoned out of their minds on pretty much any chemical substance they can get their filthy little hippie hands on. I mean, have you ever noticed that every single social pathology currently tearing this country to shreds got started in either Los Angeles or Frisco?”

Steve Ward's avatar

Hey, are you calling me flaky? Oh, well, never mind …..

Speed's avatar

yeah but besides that i mean

Steve Ward's avatar

There is lots of CA that are not LA or Frisco. Thankfully. Now if we could just get a non-wack-job to run for governor.

Ice Age's avatar

Not according to Hollywood.

Steve Ward's avatar

Well, Hollywood is the center of delusion-hood.

Matthew Horgan's avatar

The refrain “Learn to swim” from the Tool song Aenima runs through my head whenever I am back in LA. Lived there for

MD Streeter's avatar

I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my friend!

Scott A's avatar

Why didn't sharles just not listen to Ferrari? I mean? C'mon. It was flipping obvious what would happen if lewis pitted before him. You're in 3rd and this fucker can't pass? Especially at monaco.

Jack Baruth's avatar

He was underinformed, deliberately, by the team. He wanted to stay out.

Scott A's avatar

I have no doubt they're screwing him but HE SHOULD KNOW. We all know. He's right flipping behind the guy. let's say lewis has no penalty. He's still better off in front of him with worse tires. He'd already had his one change if I'm remembering correctly.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Apparently Ferrari decided they would rather have the "guaranteed" 2-3, with Sir Lewis up front, than a situation where Charles would have to defend on old tires... which is ridiculous.

Scott A's avatar

What are the odds Ferrari is getting order from up on high? I'm gonna make a bold prediction the 28 year old ends up ahead of the 42 year old by the end of the season. They'd be tied now if his car didn't shit the bed. Charles needs to look out for charles. I say this for completely selfish reasons of loathing hamilton and the british press

Jack Baruth's avatar

I think Ferrari is crippling their car so Lewis can drive it. Everyone predicted Ferrari dominance this weekend, and it just didn't happen.

Scott A's avatar

Don't discount the fact Ferrari is retarded. You've got your youngish, handsome, face of the brand with the smoking hot wife and you bring on a washed up hamilton. Obviously winning isn't their #1 goal.

MD Streeter's avatar

Sadly he's signed a multi-year extension to remain with the team. Although, where else is he going to go? Red Bull after Hadjar washes out?

Jack Baruth's avatar

If he is lucky, he can go race Ferrari prototypes after this nightmare is done.

Scott A's avatar

"after this nightmare is done"

The next how many years of these regulations?

MD Streeter's avatar

V8s as soon as 2028! Although probably actually not until after 2031, if then...

unsafe release's avatar

I don’t know about Hadjar washing out. He looked pretty strong on Sunday despite being 30 seconds back of Kimi by the end of the race.

MD Streeter's avatar

I can hope and dream: he comes across as such a whiny baby, I just can't take him seriously.

unsafe release's avatar

Yeah, his childish outbursts are irritating, but he appears to be getting better every race. Not far off from Max and definitely closer than any of the other teammates have managed….

S2kChris's avatar

I’m no F1 fan/follower but I have seen the stuff about Lewis yelling about billionaires from the perch of his yacht before getting on his plane. I already knew he’s a faggoty virtue signaling wokester but how does a moron like this not think “yeah they’ll come for the billionaires and then leave the half a billionaires like me alone”? I mean I guess he may just be genuinely unintelligent.

anatoly arutunoff's avatar

charlie chaplin had similar ideas: 'communists will just leave us artists alone.'

Scott A's avatar

The one bright side of the revolution is before they kill us all, they kill eachother first. So, at least we get to enjoy that.

Sherman McCoy's avatar

We are about to have a trillionaire among us in just a few hours.

Billionaires are regular folks in comparison, and mere centimillionaires like Luigi are common.

Nplus1's avatar

It's literally the same thinking that Matt Farah has.

Galahad Threepwood's avatar

Keeping in mind what Cormac McCarthy pointed out -- that, evolutionarily-speaking, most of our emotional responses date from prior to the development of written language; so whenever you get furious about something you read, reflect for a moment that it's merely a biochemical gradient in your brain, an epiphenomenon of the terrors your illiterate ancestors experienced 8,000 years ago -- the LA and Taylor stories are indeed outrages (I hadn't even heard of the squalid Nashville Zoo episode) which I have a hard time staying calm about.

But there is comfort in the pulverizing rhythms of the Prophets, those magnificent Hebrew parallelisms and repetitions:

Thus says the Lord:

“For three transgressions of Israel,

and for four, I will not revoke the punishment,

because they sell the righteous for silver,

and the needy for a pair of sandals—

those who trample the head of the poor into the dust of the earth

and turn aside the way of the afflicted;

a man and his father go in to the same girl,

so that my holy name is profaned;

they lay themselves down beside every altar

on garments taken in pledge,

and in the house of their God they drink

the wine of those who have been fined."

Speed's avatar

"watching some of the discourse on the subject has made me lose a measurable amount of hope for our continued American co-existence"

the outcry from the usual suspects was infuriating and unsurprising at the same time. they have no idea what actually happened and they dont care. they only seem to care about a black kid facing any repercussions whatsoever for murdering a white kid because hes white (some even dare to suggest he deserved it which of course he didnt) becuase das raysis or something. and there werent any of them on the jury becuase they cant help themselves being absurdly biased. i know. its not all of them. i am aware of that. 35 years isnt long enough. shouldve gotten the chair.

"Antonelli is effortlessly toasting the driver — Princess George — who has been making Hamilton look awful for years now"

>tfw when you drive a tractor for years at williams only to go to mercedes when they forget how to build a car and then when they remember the guy they put in as the number 2 driver turns into fuckin prime senna

worst luck? possibly the inverse of hamilton

"The FIA has determined that Red Bull has the best F1 engine"

bruh.

"what you are seeing in the chart above is a stolen election, it is fraud, it is evil"

yes. you are objectively correct.

"If you are like me, you probably struggle with your attraction to what I can only call unnecessary technological obfuscation"

real. i dont care if desmodromic valve systems are inferior to lobes and finger followers i want them

"Well, in the hands of Larry Hofer, it’s going to make power. Because he has re-engineered it to feature direct injection, variable valve timing"

okay but assuming he went to an aluminum block what was the point? big blocks and their torque made sense when all you has was a turbo400 or a 4 speed at most. now youve got 8 speeds so frying tires has never been easier. no idea how much power itll make but im sure it could be outdone by whatever lt or ls engine youd want. at least the 632 they sell makes 1000hp but would never pass emissions or durability testing

"The builder’s response to public pushback was… to add another one more than three times as large next to it."

i bet these can be sabotaged relatively easily with targeted small arms fire

"you want a real air-cooled Honda retro, let’s talk"

do go on sir

Jack Baruth's avatar

"do go on sir"

ACF reader price on the CB1100 would be dirt cheap.

Speed's avatar

it looks like a slightly modern version of the 400/4 i had the chance to buy years ago

really does suit my tastes

Eric Siedlecki's avatar

Alright, you have my attention. I've been casually looking at these for a while now. My ideal one would be a Deluxe, but I could possibly be swayed...

Nplus1's avatar

Jack has a black standard. So no abs or anything.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Everything you need, nothing you don't!

Nplus1's avatar

Except an extra 50 hp for you

Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah. If this bike had 140hp it would be perfect, no notes.

The rest of it is astounding. I think it might be the highest-quality internal-combustion machine I have ever touched. There is simply no place where a corner was cut.

Ark-med's avatar

Every standard black I've known has had a 6 pack

John Van Stry's avatar

I'll admit, I've been thinking about a new motorcycle. I don't want to get rid of the ZZR1200. But something newer and yes, more reliable, might be a good idea. I probably should sell my Vulcan SE - it just doesn't ridden enough these days.

Though a part of me is still tempted to buy an older, pre-monoshock, Low Rider. There are days I still miss my sportster, which was just a nice GPB kinda bike. The Low Rider was really just the 'grown up' version with a bigger motor, a bit more power and a bit more range.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Try a USA-made Sportster S, they are out there cheap.

John Van Stry's avatar

I'll have to look into that, thanks!

Nplus1's avatar

Do you want an air cooled bike or is liquid cooling ok?

John Van Stry's avatar

Either is fine if I go with something new. The bike Jack showed us that's coming from Honda I admit is interesting.

Nplus1's avatar

I was wondering if you had a preference. If air cooled mattered, then maybe a 1200 cc kit Sportster would be more interesting than a Revolution Sportster despite the old bike being much slower.

John Van Stry's avatar

You don't ride harley's for the speed, though they are fast enough. I just miss my old sportster and have been thinking of replacing it. As for fast? I got a ZZR1200 which I've had over 160 more than a few times (though probably never again - getting old). That bike is still very fast.

Gianni's avatar

I’m sure it’s just a random coincidence that this man is in charge of the vote counting in LA:

https://nypost.com/2026/06/05/us-news/los-angeles-county-registrarclerk-dean-logans-history-of-election-controversy/

Nplus1's avatar

Wow, what an incredible coincidence

Rick T.'s avatar

Yeah that was something.

Robert Shelton's avatar

Do we get to vote on the FIA's supposed decision to penalize Red Bull's engine? If the choices are "quite stupid" and "openly corrupt," I would have to go for the latter.

Jack Baruth's avatar

They plainly want a Sir Lewis World Championship, and Lewis has traditionally demonstrated that he needs the best car AND a hand up to do it.

Scott A's avatar

The absolutle funniest part of this is he probably has his best chance at it if he stayed with mercedes and toto would've given him the edge and the better car.

Speed's avatar

and he would either be fighting george or kimi who would both dust him

Jack Baruth's avatar

You have to be an IDIOT...

and I mean an IDIOT...

to bet on Ferrari against Toto Wolff. They've never come CLOSE to figuring out how to beat him.

Scott A's avatar

I think we've established Lewis is insufferable and an idiot at this point. What's funny is I can't stand toto but I wouldn't bet against him either. Toto has actually ben less insufferable since Lewis has left.

Dalzell's avatar

"Toto has actually been less insufferable since Lewis has left."

I feel the same way.

Methinks there may be a connection there...

Nplus1's avatar

It'd be like betting on the Cowboys to win a super bowl before any team coached by Andy Reid.

Gianni's avatar

Just imagine all the merch sold if Sir wins the WDC for Ferrari!

Charles's avatar

With regards to this Karmelo Anthony thing, I'm wondering if Carmelo Anthony is having a tough time with this.

Has anyone else noticed that just when I didn't think race baiting can't get any worse, I feel like it's ramped up even more lately. All i see on my feeds are "journalists" feeding into the racial divisions. Whites hate blacks, blacks hate whites. Now Asians hate blacks and vice versa. And of course, everyone hating on Indians.

This can't be completely organic, right?

S2kChris's avatar

I for the record didn’t need any help in being pushed towards hating other races. Happened totally organically for me.

Charles's avatar

I guess I'm generally a "treat each person as an individual" type of person, but of course we have our initial opinions on people of all different types. And I think most people kinda end up there eventually, regardless. I just wonder what the objective is to race bait from the propagandists today.

Speed's avatar

odd that youd see that as my take has always been that theres a concerted effort to keep a lid on race relations and as such obscure reality in the process

Charles's avatar

Maybe it's just platforms like X. Just total racial hatred one way or another. It's pretty stupid because what's the objective?

Speed's avatar

extermination of other races

everyone else hates us and we arent allowed to display an in group preference

KoR's avatar
Jun 11Edited

The objective is money.

Outrage gets more views, longer views, and more clicks. It keeps you on a platform longer than good news or no news at all would.

That’s it. That’s the endgame. It isn’t white genocide or whatever the fuck. It’s just more money for the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg.

Charles's avatar

See, if it was just money, I guess I can almost go along with it. They just want to grow their business bottom line.

However, I feel like they are willing sacrifice some of the business aspects because they are really after the social and government control.

In the I suppose it wraps around being the same thing since we do see money = power. And money can come in multiple forms.

This is the price we pay when money is the God of so many people.

S2kChris's avatar

I mean it’s pattern recognition. I have friends and acquaintances of all races, but would I move into a predominantly black or Indian (or Jewish or Muslim or or or) community? Fuck no. Statistics don’t lie.

Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

My guess is that in Jewish neighborhoods, at least religious Jewish neighborhoods, the teenagers aren't going to break into your garage and steal stuff. They're too busy watching younger siblings.

Nplus1's avatar

Yeah but it might not be a friendly neighborhood. Where I grew up had a large population of Catholics. Their kids all went to Catholic schools and basically none of them ever played with the public school kids. Literally two different societies in one area.

New User Name's avatar

In my youth, my Jewish classmates were kind to me, and I probably still carry fat from all the Bar (Bat) Mitzvahs*

To be fair to Ronnie's people, the Chassid kids loved playing with our little fair Christian kids a few years back when we lived in their Erv.

One magical summer, the 4th of July happened on Shabbat, and our kids waited till the stars shone to share the fireworks with their Jewish neighbors. It's a really fond memory for me.

* Yes, reformed.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

"treat each person as an individual"

I did this when I was younger, and, for instance, was probably one of two people on my team who spoke to a contractor.

But lately, I see that while this makes sense for individualistic cultures, what if said "individual" always travels as part of a group and always acts in the interests of a group?

https://xcancel.com/amandalouise416/status/2062182782529409460#m

Charles's avatar

If the said individual aligns themselves with the "other side" then they are an enemy. But I'm assuming not ALL share the same views of behavior.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

My understanding is that China requires an exit visa, and exit visas are only given to CCP members in good standing, who have sworn:

"It is my will to join the Communist Party of China,

uphold the Party's program,

observe the provisions of the Party Constitution,

fulfill a Party member's duties,

carry out the Party's decisions,

strictly observe Party discipline,

guard Party secrets,

be loyal to the Party,

work hard,

fight for communism throughout my life,

be ready at all times to sacrifice my all for the Party and the people,

and never betray the Party."

In general, if >90% of members of a group tends to act as an enemy, then, perhaps the burden of proof is theirs to prove that they are not an enemy: I don't really like this, and don't know exactly how I'd handle it in real life.

Charles's avatar

I get your point, and the part where I agree with you is: burden of proof is theirs to prove. This applies to everyone...

Just because a person has the same skin color as me, born in same nation, identifies as the same religion, should I just blindly trust this person? I don't know them and to just go off of labels to me is foolish.

Henry C.'s avatar

0. He murdered someone in cold blood.

1. 1M was raised in his support, while Austin's dad got the visit from Community Relations to 'not make it about race'.

2. His parents blew the money on a luxury home rental and cars and cruises

3. No attorneys would take the case, even pro bono, after seeing the video so he got stuck with a PD that argued that Austin walked into the knife.

4. Austin is still dead, Karmelo is still breathing.

It's organic as much as the OJ trial was.

Jack Baruth's avatar

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/14/trump-administration-doj-fired-workers

This is infuriating. Trump gutted the demonic CRS then an "American" judge, Indira Talwani, put them back to work.

Henry C.'s avatar

And he complied of course. I WAS TOLD HE WAS HITLER

Speed's avatar

EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING

Charles's avatar

This guy has been a massive disappointment, yet I still get disappointed more each day...

Speed's avatar

the annoying part is disliking him and the people who hate him thinking youre one of them

like no bro you hate him becuase you think hes an ethnonationalist fascist and i hate him becuase hes not (not exactly but you get the gist)

Scott A's avatar

I'm starting to believe the theories he isn't the real trump. The last 6 months have been nothing but disappointment.

JasonS's avatar

I heard on a podcast "Please lord give me the Trump they say he is".

Speed's avatar

id put it down to people finally opening their eyes to the reality of the situation

kinda like how the #stopasianhate thing got shut down when people started figuring out who was doing the asian hating

Charles's avatar

I think people already know how this stuff works, hence you see where they move when they make some money.

I just find it interesting that I'm seeing a lot more propaganda to hate other races lately. Not sure what that accomplishes.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"I just find it interesting that I'm seeing a lot more propaganda to hate other races lately. Not sure what that accomplishes."

Black people are encouraged to hate whites because it allows them to be more effectively manipulated as a voting and consumer bloc. Whites are being encouraged to return the hate because otherwise they are lambs led to slaughter. It's awful on both sides.

JasonS's avatar

Well, also at the same time suburban white women are getting convinced that black folks need protection from the really bad white man.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Carmelo "Stop Snitching" Anthony, you mean? I'm sure he is mostly upset the kid didn't have a chance to stab TWO people.

Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I wonder how all of this affects Cadbury's sales of "Caramello" products.

S2kChris's avatar

Having only detached interest in the mayoral race stemming from too much time spent on X mostly watching body cam footage of black women getting arrested, what utterly flummoxes me is the absolute vitriol Pratt drew. Like if you want to say he’s dumb or inexperienced or unqualified, sure, I get that kind of, but he came across as earnest in wanting to change things. But the number of “Now go fuck off Pratt” posts I’ve seen from semi-reasonable people on the ‘gram is interesting and disturbing. I mean I guess if you’re just knee jerk anti anyone to the right of Hillary, this is how you respond? But otherwise, what did he do or say that deserves outright hatred from people who aren’t obviously in on the scam in LA? Boggles the mind. There are some politicians I hate, but there are also plenty on the other side who I just have casual disagreement with. Hell, Zohran doesn’t really offend me, I don’t agree with him, but whatever, he seems relatively sincere in his beliefs.

Jack Baruth's avatar

Read your Orwell. Women, and men who think like women, will scream themselves hoarse in defense of an evil status quo.

S2kChris's avatar

In national politics, sure. But it doesn’t get much more local than this. And you can’t even really say “well it’s the elites behind the gates of the fancy neighborhoods” because the Palisades was the fancy neighborhood. The squalor is all over LA. Money doesn’t really insulate you from it outside of the very tip top of Beverly Hills or whatever. The kind of people who are reacting that I see are well off but certainly not “helicopter to the mansion over the poors” well off. Maybe I just underestimate the amount of virtue signaling is needed to maintain status in a place like that, I dunno.

Jack Baruth's avatar

"The kind of people who are reacting that I see are well off but certainly not “helicopter to the mansion over the poors” well off."

To coin a phrase, they are cosplaying the AP Swatch of elite attitudes.

Scott A's avatar

They won't get invited to the cool parties if they don't. How much of this is the women caterwauling and the men too afraid to tell them to shut up?

Jack Baruth's avatar

"How much of this is the women caterwauling and the men too afraid to tell them to shut up?"

Our biggest national problem and it has been this way since the Greatest Generation came home too shell-shocked to run their own homes.

Scott A's avatar

Dear God guys, there's worse things than a woman leaving you.

Brawndo's avatar

They saw him as Trump’s candidate, or at least of Trump’s party, what he actually thought wasn’t relevant to them.

People love to find ways to sort each other into one group or the other. In the current political environment once they decide you’re on the opposite team you’re infinite scum.