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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Any comments on Fox buying 1/3 of the part of Penske's operations that own Indycar and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Pinned, this is an open thread.

WRT Fox and indycar, I don't care.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

$400M valuation on the entire thing including the series, IMS, and the promoter’s rights for Long Beach and a few others is pathetically low.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Hard to believe a single WNBA team, which is basically a license to lose money and have parking lot insurance claims, is worth almost as much as IndyCar.

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Josh Howard's avatar

Oh come on, Jack. We should LET THEM COOK! But not in the kitchen... goodness no... probably in some trailer somewhere.

https://images.app.goo.gl/88iX1wdAvdz8uYj38

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NoID's avatar

“Let them cook”

I’m trying, but they keep leaving the kitchen to take free throws!

Speaking of which, these girls throwing so many bricks they could build a two family house.

Not that I’m any better. The worst WNBA player would destroy me in a game of HORSE.

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Scott A's avatar

Im sure thats in hopes of buying a real nba team

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Josh Howard's avatar

Not really. I had this argument with someone else who was wondering why LMP2 would change up their cars in the near future. My answer: No one is watching. NO ONE! Indy has Long Beach, Indy 500, and Road America/Mid O depending on region of viewer.... people don't give two craps about the rest of it. I'm in Detroit and to me the sports cars running downtown are more interesting than those Indy cars.

They like to shout how good their numbers are but we're in a country of easily over 300 million people and barely over a million can be bothered to tune in on a normal week.

This is why Nascar is still in trouble. It's also why F1 doesn't care what the numbers are... they have the numbers everywhere else. It is all plus money in the USA. Indy? Who the F in Europe or Asia watching these old cars race?

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Scott A's avatar

Indy is bad. Nascar shot themselves in the foot

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

I popped into the IRL subreddit when this was announced. Fans were HOPING that the new deal would get them numbers on par with the Busch series. That’s absolutely terrible.

Promotion for both NASCAR and IRL races is terrible. It’s like they only care about TV revenues and don’t care to put people in the stands. I can’t think of the last time there was a driver signing at a local dealership, parts store, etc. This happened frequently when I was a kid.

I don’t see the point of the Detroit GP. I like that it exists, but don’t care enough to go. FWIW, I live maybe 20 minutes from downtown.

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sgeffe's avatar

Before my family moved to Toledo (when I was 14 in 1984), we lived just north of 10 1/2 Mile/Frazho in St. Clair Shores. You could hear the echo of the F1 cars downtown, in addition to when they ran the Unlimited hydroplanes on the Detroit River.

C-130s going overhead, along with A-7s, both out of Selfridge ANG, plus lots of interesting plane spotting, between 747s and other jets on left base going into Metro Airport, and even the occasional low Air Canada 727 on long final into the Windsor airport (even though at the time, the low-flying aircraft scared the bejesus out of me)!

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I saw that and guffawed.

There are a number of F1 drivers who are personally worth more than the entire Indycrap series.

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Chuck S's avatar

I'm sure Hamilton owns watches worth more...

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sgeffe's avatar

But does he own a Hamilton watch?! 😂😂😂

(::Dodges rotten fruit!::)

I’m here the rest of the week—don’t forget to serve your tipper!!

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Chuck S's avatar

He probably ought to. they're fine watches. my wife has a 1950s-era mechanical Hamilton that runs longer and more accurately than her 60s/70s square Omega Deville and my mid-60s Longines.

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Josh Howard's avatar

Old man Penske finally is realizing that he will end up dying soon. Though Fox buying it only is going to end up with them being in an even worse financial situation than what they were in previously. This is as dumb as ESPN buying NFL Red Zone or whatever.

Wait until we see the numbers for Apple Plus getting F1 rights.

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Chuck S's avatar

Wait... Apple is vying for F1 rights? That makes me even happier that I get my races from the torrent site Racing For Me

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Josh Howard's avatar

Yessir. The F1 movie was just a warmup to ensure they have the right demographic for the sport. It sure seems like they nailed it. I just hope I don't lose my FP1-3 coverages but then again maybe they just want to show the race? Honestly not sure. They have one of the better streaming services and the ten dollars is worth not just getting the endless Netflix style slop. AT LEAST IT ISN'T GOING BACK TO ESPN LIKELY. Ooof... their broadcasts are horrendous.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Yes, they are.

Eddy Cue is a major proponent, but the disappointing MLS episode augurs poorly.

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silentsod's avatar

MotoAmerica at Virginia International Raceway managed to be entertaining this go-round, though not at the front fork most of the SBK races. The reason for that being

Bobby Fong placed pole position coming off a hot two race victory at Laguna Seca. He would just school everyone in race one and finish well ahead of Cameron Beaubier in second and Josh Herrin in third. Herrin sparred with Sean Dylan Kelly, Escalante's teammate, to just eke out third.

In race 2 Bobby and Josh sparred for the first couple of laps before Herrin blew turn one and went down off track. Herrin took his bike in for repair and still managed to finish for a couple of points. Fong, however, sailed away to another easy win. Not so easy would be the second place finish for SDK where he fought against his own teammate Richie Escalante who had an incredibly strong second race, as well as Cam B, Jake Gagne, and Hayden Gillum who were within one second of each other at the finish.

Supersport is really showcasing Blake Davis' maturation as a rider this year, and a surprising inconsistency from Ty Scott. Scholz and Jacobson continue to dominate with Cam Petersen's acclimation to ssp putting him into contention for wins. Again, the riders who stepped down from superbike are beating the hell out of most of the field but it is showing where the serious talent is being developed for the young riders.

Edited: MotoA are at Jack's backyard next weekend. I misread the mini cup event as being MidO

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I haven't even heard from the safety car staff yet. Which is par for the course.

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Rick J's avatar

I'm suspicious of Fong's pace. New bike, new ways to "optimize".

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silentsod's avatar

His teammate was not remotely equal on pace but about where Jake's been all year. Why give the new guy the questionably legal parts? (because he had the most to gain)

Bobby also had strong performance last year on a different bike and team so it's possible something has just clicked on the flowing tracks. IIRC he was trapping 3-5MPH slower than Herrin/Beaubier on the main straight at VIR.

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Rick J's avatar

Jake's got issues both physical and probably mental. Not sure that the arm pump surgery went well at all. Fong has never shown 20 second breakaway leads in his career. What's the magic sauce?

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silentsod's avatar

Herrin crashing after taking the lead was a big deal in terms of gap for race 2 as Herrin looked like he mightve had something for Bobby. Outside of that, maybe their special fuel is back on the menu!

The Seca races he was a mere second ahead in the pair he won and a half second behind where he lost.

VIR is the outlier, and certainly unexpected. He ran the most consistent race pace with significantly less falloff than the other riders. The lap analysis charts are available and we know it's not some raw top end speed deal.

I don't think electronics are standard a la MotoGP, but again haven't read the rulebook for SBK (just Baggers which was hilariously short).

The huge gaps are much more common in WSBK, and MotoA is, frankly, only about as good as a top 5 rider in WSBK (Danilo).

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Scott A's avatar

Anyone wanna buy a 2013 street triple?

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Rick J's avatar

I have a 2016. Just back from a fast ride. I'm keeping mine.

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Scott A's avatar

I just bought a 2025. They offered me 1k in trade so i will be selling private party.

Here’s my quick comparison test between a street triple and the ducati monster they let me test drive for 30 miles.

The ducati looks cool, buy the triumph.

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Rick J's avatar

Got a 2024 Tracer 9 GT+ couple months back. They offered 4k trade for the Triumph. Decided to keep it in case I didn't get along with the Tracer. It's turned out to be a great bike as well. So I'll be keeping both.

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Scott A's avatar

I remember my single days when i had two motorcycles. Two is great. One for different occasions. Glad the tracer is working out for you

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Rick J's avatar

Thanks.The Tracers is a very good tool but the Striple is my passion.

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Scott A's avatar

Cant disagree. Liked it so much i bought another one

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I spend a lot of time thinking about the Tracer GT.

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silentsod's avatar

You ain't the only one! It is a paper perfect bike and that CP3 is a dream.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

That looks super dope. If you ever tried them, how is acceleration with the added weight of bags & touring config as compared to other Yammers with same engine? I rode an MT-09 years ago and it was very, very fast

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silentsod's avatar

Lmao $1k what is it a rolling chassis?

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Scott A's avatar

The front brake lever is missing an inch from when a storm or a teenager knocked it over and i need to bleed the back brake. But it runs fine

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silentsod's avatar

Levers are easy to replace, and not too expensive. ASV makes theirs in CA still, I think.

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Scott A's avatar

I bought the wrong one to replace it five years ago and it’s just been sitting there. Ive done one before on a different bike. Doesnt affect usability so i just passed. Buying the wrong part twice wouldve made me feel dumb

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I'll give you $1100, no worries.

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Chuck S's avatar

The Ducati looks cool, buy anything else.

There. Fixed that for you.

(Former 900SS/SP owner here.)

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Donkey Konger's avatar

If I'm recalling, Dennis Palatov has some special stories about the 900SS. I wonder if they're still on his blog

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S2kChris's avatar

Speaking of lesbian coded, any of you watch Hunting Wives on Netflix? I’m not going to say it’s good, but watch an episode in bed with your wife or girlfriend before going to sleep every night and you’ll be pleased with the reaction.

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Scott A's avatar

I appreciate Malin ackerman willing to show her tits every single decade. If you keep in shape, and have a decent plastic surgeon, the wall doesn't exist.

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S2kChris's avatar

Seeing Britany Snow’s was a surprise. Also surprised they weren’t as nice as Malin’s. Best thing I saw was after that performance, they should do a Pitch Perfect 4 and have Britany Snow and Ana Kendrick succumb to their sexual tension and dyke it out. I’d be there opening night and buy the DVD.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I've never quite understood the appeal of lesbian porn to straight men. If I was in bed with two women, I'd want them to be, ahem, focusing on me, not each other.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

That's how I know you've never been in bed with two women.

Sometimes it's great to just take a break and observe.

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Scott A's avatar

Well ive been in bed with 3 women! Literally! The toddlers jumped in to sleep with us. Not your perverted shit

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I did say "if".

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Chuck S's avatar

Uh, why not. do both?

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S2kChris's avatar

Also, I loathe the “what oil is best” that plagues all forums, but I will be researching “what oil is best” (and accepting advice here) for my 3.6L Jeep, because I think they’re playing the same oil water in search of fuel economy bullshit and I want that vehicle and engine to last a long time.

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Ken's avatar

"...everyone with a functioning frontal lobe knows you don’t use Mobil 1 if your local store has Red Line, Royal Purple, or Pennzoil UP in stock."

Shit, I really should get that lobotomy reversed. When did Mobil 1 become 2nd tier?

I've at least been leery of 0W anything after a 2005 C230 and a 2007 Saab 9-3 both called for it and ran markedly better with 5W.

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S2kChris's avatar

Valvoline Syntec or Synpower or whatever is the only oil I’ve tried that my S2000 doesn’t absolutely guzzle that’s also available at my local Autozone. It drinks M1 like I drink mid-priced bourbon.

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silentsod's avatar

I could really go for some mid priced bourbon right now.

Breckenridge or Larceny are my current go tos. What's your poison?

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S2kChris's avatar

I’m a basic bitch, I drink Buffalo Trace or Eagle Rare when I can find it. Otherwise, Noah’s Mill is good and I’m always down for various Woodford products.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

I'm a Bulleit fan myself

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S2kChris's avatar

I’m not picky, if something isn’t my taste I just throw some bitters and vermouth in it anyways.

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Scott A's avatar

Hard to beat for the $

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JasonS's avatar

Just tried the new Bulliet BIB 7 year and it's fantastic.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Benchmark.

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silentsod's avatar

Never heard of it so I am intrigued

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Similar to Buffalo Trace but it’s only aged 3-4 years. Perfect for mixed drinks but not terrible on its own.

This is coming from someone who used to enjoy drinking grain alcohol so YMMV.

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unsafe release's avatar

Buffalo Trace is wonderful stuff

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Ataraxis's avatar

Four Roses Single Barrel.

I highly recommend the distillery tour, too.

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Sam's avatar

My mainstays are Larceny or Elijah Craig because it seems that one or the other is on sale by the time I work through a handle. I'll rotate through some others as they are available.

I just bought a bottle of the recently released Old Gran Dad 7 year BIB, and after tasting it I am disappointed to say that I seemed to have paid double price for regular BIB in a fancier bottle. I hope their plan isn't to phase out the normal 100 proof non-age statement BIB just so they can charge 40 a bottle vs 23.

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Rick J's avatar

Castrol syntech10w/30 and new valve guide seals. All of them. This engine is designed to use oil. Worth it.

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Slowtege's avatar

So is my Subaru's EJ. Oh wait....dang it, wrong forum...

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Chuck S's avatar

speaking of lesbian-coded.

HEY-OH

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Literally LOLed!

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Slowtege's avatar

10/10 execution, LOL

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Boom's avatar

Mobil isn't second tier, they probably fund or associate with someone or some entity Jack loathes.

Also supertech FTW!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'Mobil isn't second tier, they probably fund or associate with someone or some entity Jack loathes.'

They are second tier compared to the Euro full synthetics, Redline, and so on. There have been a few times I've used Mobil 1 in the small Radical instead of Motul. It doesn't last like Motul.

I have no doubt they're as good as Havoline "synthetic".

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Boom's avatar

Great for those that fully live by anec - opinion - data.

Define how you say any oil has reached end of life. Note that you're also talking about a racecar engine built by a ahem, boutique manager.

The relative merits and demerits of a specific oil depend on appication, price and availability. That's the RATIONAL way to approach it.

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Sam's avatar

For a brief period I was running Mobil1 in my Accord because I got a deal on a bunch of it.

I bought the car new, and did religious 5kmi OCIs, bulk fill from the dealer through the warranty period, and then Castrol Magnatech before switching to the Mobil1. Every fill I did of Mobil1, 6 in total, I would loose between 2-3 mpg as soon as I hit 4kmi on the oil, dip stick read in range, didn't consume any over the OCI. As soon as I switched back to Castrol I no longer had the mpg drop at 4kmi.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

This is what I'm talking about. The nominally "synthetic" but mass manufactured stuff is not what it once was.

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Erik's avatar

The ZR-1 gets a regular diet of Mobil 1 European Car Formula in 0-40. One of the reasons being that it has an addiction to zinc, and ECF still gives 1100ppm to keep that bored and stroked 1984 Lotus Etna engine happy.

(Just kidding. It isn’t an Etna engine. It’s a vastly overbuilt Etna engine. Lotus themselves, in the person of the great Tony Rudd, said they’d never build that engine to be as strong or as long lasting. Good enough was good enough at Lotus).

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Boom's avatar

I'm not fan of Mobil and think it's vastly overpriced, but it isn't crap.

As usual, Jack is picking on some random thing and railing against it for some irrational reasons.

He asked for engineers to chime in, and then proceeded to dismiss an engine engineers response as his eyes told him Mobil 1 'bad' on some race weekend on an engine that needs rebuilds every other day.

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Erik's avatar

I buy my Mobil 1 on sale at Walmart. I’ve paid between $26-$40 cdn (about 12 cents US) for a jug. For an almost 9 litre oil change, it comes out pretty cheap.

That being said, if I was gonna try to match it’s 24 hour speed record from 1990, I’d probably go back to my $200 changes with Amsoil Z-Rod.

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Boom's avatar

The in house supertech full synthetic is exactly the same oil in performance as the Mobil. But you do you Sir!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It's not every other day, it's every 30 hours.

Wait.

That's literally every other day.

Carry on.

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Nick H's avatar

I've got probably 150,000 miles on Supertech Synthetic in my naturally aspirated fleet with no issues.

We've even used Supertech multiple times in an Ecotec race engine.

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Boom's avatar

Which has been my experience as well..

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Nick H's avatar

I just changed 5w-30 on a 3UZ LS430 and it came out looking new after 6000 miles (not an engineer but I do know how it 'looks' isn't a reliable indicator of how much life is left). I do use OE filters on it.

The factory calls for 5k oil changes, but people post UOAs on BITOG for 3UZs with 10k mile changes and good blackstone reports. I don't care enough to push it that far.

Just now, I did some googling and learned Toyota released a TSB in 2006 saying ILSAC-GF-4 5W-20 can be used in UZs. My life is now in shambles!

Ironically, I owned a Gen 1 insight which was the first car I believe that spec'd a 0w-20 oil. Insight forum people are running the 16 and even 8 weight oil in those damn things.

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Boom's avatar

Again the hybrids have run those 8 weight oils for a while. It can be done, just not half assedly like GM and to a lesser extent Frod.

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Andy's avatar

As always thanks for,err, clarifying the issue. Porsche specs M1, issues bulletins for using M1, tells it's dealers to use M1 and doesn't void your warranty if you blow an engine with the oil it specs. For all I know there is a "better" everyday/few track days a year oil out there or one that costs a little less. At the cost of a $30,000 engine replacement that may or may not be covered under warranty I'm ok with using M1. I know, I know, around here I'm a sucker...

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Boom's avatar

I wouldn't say you're a sucker. But Mobil pays Porsche a lot of money for that. Commercial and marketing agreements aside, if you wanted to use a different brand oil that meets the same specs a decent OEM would not care one whit.

Another thing I should clear up. More than the actual oil brand, the extended oil changes are what are killing these engines.

My BMW has a Castrol logo on the oil fill cap, I'm sure they were bribed for it, but they claim 12k oil intervals. Guess what the failure was that caused the previous owner to scrap the car?

I do my oil changes between 5-7k miles especially when they're all city miles these days.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'Shit, I really should get that lobotomy reversed. When did Mobil 1 become 2nd tier?'

As soon as they decided to sell synth blend as synth.

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Sean's avatar

Wasn’t gonna jump

Into this but here goes.

On the e46 m3 they reinvented she’ll 10/60 synthetic and it always sounded tappety after a run, never get that sound with liquid moly.

Put Mobil 1 in the bbi once(these cars had not great rings or valve guides) and it went through and out like goose shit off a shovel.

In the tundra whatver 0w20 Toyota puts in has lifter sounds liquid moly not, but I. All fairness the Toyota v8 has no

Issue with 0w20 although it’s a 5k mile change.

On both lotus only use motul. The exige runs 20/60 but it’s always throughly warmer before going out. 12k hard track miles and it burns not a drop. The Elise is at 14k miles 50% probably track and that’s 10/40 motul also never burns a drop. Now lotus does not have all those detergents etc its a track application oil so changes are far more frequent.

Point

Is good Oil good oil. I’m

Sure some

Toyota or Subaru just commuted and babied runs fine on whatever but if you’re going to be pushing a machine and wnat it to last well the type of oil and frequency of changes is a big deal, oil

Is the lifeblood of an engine

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Dan's avatar

M1 reformulated a lot of stuff circa 2019 or so.

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Greg Shaw's avatar

The pentastar suffers from failed rocker arms, so not really an oil film strength issue. If you hear it ticking, fix it before you wipe the lobe off the cam.

I think the extended oil change intervals might be at fault here. Wife's car, so it gets changed when the dash tells you to. About 10k.

I'm probably not qualified to opine on the subject, however. I repaired the rocker arm myself and buy whatever synthetic oil includes a free filter this week.

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S2kChris's avatar

I’m on the “2 free oil changes” plan right now, first one was around 8k miles, I should probably change it again (I’m at 14k now) soon even if the computer doesn’t tell em. This one does do a lot of highway miles and is pretty low stressed, but I’ll be a lot more diligent with it when my free changes run out. And writing that I’m realizing how dumb it sounds, just change it more moron.

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Josh Howard's avatar

It's ridiculous we got away from 5w/10w 30 for the majority of all domestic engines. I recently switched away from the 5w 20 recently as the tensioners are going to need replaced on our 3v Ford mod motor. How anyone could run a 0w20 is beyond me. Glad the Trump administration is having some sense in all this and just telling those older style EPA and MPG rules to F off.

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Nplus1's avatar

No oil is going to keep the headgasket from going.

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Speed's avatar

yeah no oil is going to make the engine seize well before it can blow a gasket

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Donkey Konger's avatar

When I moved from "autozone synthetic" to LiquiMoly for my 540i, certain defects that were present visibly lessened and my butt dyno indicated the slightest of slight performance improvements. YMMV

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/the-myth-of-the-mobil-1-v-castrol-lawsuit.73900/

Would have been easier to sort the wheat from the chaff had this never happened.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

"and they don’t have Mark Reuss. You might as well compare Ralf Schumacher to Max Verstappen, in terms of general fairness."

Comparing Mark to Max, Max's accomplishments completely overshadow his father's. Has anything Reuss has done at GM come close to his father's accomplishments running Buick?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

You're reading in the wrong order.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I was going off on a tangent.

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MaintenanceCosts's avatar

Apparently I need to go lease a Qadillaq.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

The fact that there is ANY inventory left at those prices says a lot.

You can't lease a Civic Hybrid for $449 with nothing down.

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Scott's avatar

My local Caddy dealer has a parking lot full of Escalade EVs, whatever they are called. They are expensive, but I wonder what they would let one go for…. Any data on that?

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Steve Ward's avatar

Go offer them 50% of MSRP just for the amusement.

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Scott's avatar

What I am thinking is offering a 2018 Odyssey with 99k miles that my wife drives, lol. I would probably have a better chance offering 50% of sticker.

I bet if I show up in one of my more valuable cars (than the Odyssey) and just ask what real world is on these the salesperson would tell me. I have seen one Escalade IQ in the wild so I know someone has bought/leased one.

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Steve Ward's avatar

the Eiq might have been a service loaner

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AK47isthetool's avatar

2018 Honda Odyssey sells itself. They would probably jump at that.

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Scott A's avatar

I suspect GM is subsidizing the leases. The dealer would eat 50% at msrp.

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Scott's avatar

Ok, Escalade IQ/IQL. Checked the dealer’s website- All about $138k sticker (yowza!!!!) and about half of them show $13k-$14k discounts.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

The lease is about the same as the gas Escalade lease, because the massive discounts can't outweigh the dreadful residuals.

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Scott A's avatar

I'm still astonished by the amount of people who will throw 1,600 a month at a car payment. I wonder what the annual income of the average escalade buyer is.

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sgeffe's avatar

For some, the income isn’t by legal means, even though “pharmaceutical salesman” is probably on their resume (if they even know WTF that is)!

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Sam's avatar

Based on how I was treated at the Cadillac/GMC/Hummer dealer after they ran my credit (they were shocked how high it was) and I told them I was going to put a little over half down I'd say it is a safe bet that most of their customers leave with 4 figure payments.

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Nick H's avatar

GM's sunshade for a $140k vehicle is a giant foldable shade you manually install and remove, when everyone else uses electrochroamatic glass or a powered shade.

You stay classy GM.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM_NXF-O7Qh/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Lynn W Gardner's avatar

Unbelievable

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

About two years ago, I went to Austin (during summer, ugh) to hang out with one of my porn buddies while he was in a “shootout” for a Corvette Gentleman Driver WEC seat held at COTA. The “winner” ended up being a Belgian banking heir who offered nearly $5MM in funding.

Anyway, I got to see the GM shmooze machine operating firsthand. We ate lunch in the Paddock Club suite immediately adjacent to the COTA podium. My porn pal’s wife observed that the GM operatives looked sloppy compared to how BMW and Aston Martin presented themselves to potential racing clients - polyester shirts, mismatched shoes, and what amounted to a sack lunch.

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CJinSD's avatar

What is a porn buddy?

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Scott A's avatar

When you finally do go on a date with a woman, don’t mention your porn pals.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

I did see a note ( https://substack.com/@neofeudalism/note/c-132694452 ) remarking on the new Age Verification walls facing porn distribution sites.

As the above poster, I suspect AV walls are being legalized worldwide now in order to accelerate euro dispossession, but wonder: how is this affecting your friends' businesses?

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JPDFR's avatar

“mismatched shoes“

As in, someone wearing an entirely different shoe on each foot?

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Ataraxis's avatar

My 2007 BMW 3 series wagon has a full motorized sunshade on its panoramic sunroof.

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Mr Furious's avatar

Thanks for the link. Otherwise I never would have believed it. Holy shit.

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Lynn W Gardner's avatar

I have seen one Escalade IQ in the wild, however one of our club members has to slide the dealer principle $10,000 under the table to buy a Escalade V at full MSRP that had just been off loaded from the car carrier.

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Nick H's avatar

I've seen two, one with Dealer plates at a back-to-school night driven by a dealer principal I know, and the other I'd guess is a local GM exec demo.

At least installing that stupid sunshade will distract owners from the lack of CarPlay.

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Steve Ward's avatar

they must be just giving them away to GM employees just to boost the sales numbers. out here in the land of high gas prices and EVs, daily I see lots of EVs of all brands except Cadillac (except for a couple of Lyriqs I see occasionally in the neighborhood). I see way more Honda EVs (GM EV in disguise) than Lyriqs. Don't recall ever seeing any of the other Cadilliq EV models.

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Boom's avatar

They are on the Chevy badged ones for sure..

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Boom's avatar

Get a Chevy they have better deals.

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MaintenanceCosts's avatar

The Equinox is a bit too plain and boring and I'm not sure the Blazer is any cheaper than the Lyriq.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I see Lyriqs regularly - they have achieved some traction.

Saw (another) Rolls Spectre yesterday; the specs are sufficiently unique that it’s easy to tell individual cars apart. I have seen at least a dozen of them in Buckhead this summer. No Celestiq … yet.

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AJS's avatar

I've seen two Spectres so far... in Happy Gilmore 2 and the new Jon Hamm show.

There's a few Lyriqs running around my neighborhood though. All of the owners (or likely leasees) look surprisingly normal. Tesla-owner watching has long been a hobby of mine - the majority of them in my area look like they attend MiT concerts.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Saw the Jon Hamm show too - it was just ok, overall.

Saw ANOTHER Spectre tonight (after I wrote the comment above). It’s a striking car but it’s so ostentatious, even as far as RRs go. I saw a murdered out Phantom in the parking lot of Five Below (yes, really) tonight, as well.

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AJS's avatar

Yeah, something like the Spectre makes the most sense as an EV: quiet, tons of torque, weight and engagement don’t really matter and it doesn't have to do any hard work or go very far. If I were in the position to buy an ultra luxury car, I'd still rather have the V12, but for someone saddled with the burden of proof of rightthink, a plug-in wouldn't be the worst thing.

I also thought Hamm's GranTurismo felt miscast but really walked away praying that Olivia Munn is there to comfort me if my wife ever leaves me for a 3x NBA All-Star.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

In real life, Hamm’s character has an S580 (driver optional), a full fat Range Rover, a Bentley Conti GT, or a 992 (if he likes sports cars) for the commute from Westchester to Midtown.

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AJS's avatar

100%. When your best friend has the Spectre (even if it was a gift from his Korean oligarch wife), you can't show your face in his neighborhood if you're in a crummy $150k Stellantis product with a V6.

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JPDFR's avatar

There were inconsistencies in Olivia Munn’s vehicle from scene to scene, at times in was a Range Rover Sport, at others it was the full size Range Rover (same colour).

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AJS's avatar

I noticed that and thought it was a red flag that the Sport was going to get wrecked (to save production $ over the real deal) like when the C6 ZR1 and 5th gen ZL1 are suddenly base models in that one Arnold movie - among countless other examples.

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CLN's avatar

A 5/8ths scale Danny McBride…the visual is a self appointed expert at the Pick A Part with a grease stained tank top and a plaid flannel shirt.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

I resemble those remarks

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gt's avatar

The oil discussion makes me reconsider the 0W-20 I've always used in my wife's '12 Camry 2.5. It rarely moves off full from the dipstick in between 5k changes with Toyota filters, at 152k miles now. Should I move to the 5W-20 these 2.5s were originally spec'd with? Our "gen 1" pentastar in the Town&Country runs 5w-20 (I've run walmart supertech high mileage synthetic in all of them for years now), likewise no consumption or complaints, same 5k interval, Mopar filters. On the pentastar front, one working theory I've heard behind the spate of headgasket issues Pacificas seem to be dealing with now as middle-age used cars is that the newer Pentastar equipped vehicles run hotter due to an intentional change to the thermostat in interest of efficiency gains. So maybe in addition to swapping out to thicker older types of oil we will see people start to replace t-stats to lower temp ones pre-emptively. There used to be an understanding with owners of Russian cars, the new car "ripens with the owner," as in, after taking delivery from the factory you address various quality issues and weak spots yourself as they present themselves, or preemptively.

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TheGr8Landini's avatar

I run 5W-30 in everything with less than eight cylinders/300lb/ft, never had a problem.

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gt's avatar

All I ever ran in my 315k mile suburban was walmart supertech 5W-30 high mile synthetic and it barely used any even driving up and down WV mountains in the summer

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TheGr8Landini's avatar

Big-block?

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gt's avatar

06 with a 5.3 (non AFM)

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Andrew White's avatar

Same for my 99 Ram with the 5.9 magnum and 310k. I swapped the heads for a set of those new iron Hughes/Enginetec parts and it still had the hone cross hatches in the bores.

I did do a new oil pump and cleaned the pan out. But that thing has a great engine and that WalMart oil keeps it ticking. It could use 100 more hp and 4.10s, but meh.

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Slowtege's avatar

Miss my 5.9s. Wholeheartedly agree about them being great engines and needing 100 more hp with better off the line speed. But I guess the 5.7 Hemi did that, but....it's not the same.

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Eric L.'s avatar

This topic makes me stressed, too. The VK56VD asks for 0W-20 to grease the 8-cylinder VQ. 0W-20! For a 400HP V8? My fancy JDM shop (their specialties: tuned Skylines; Subies; Hondas) snorted at me when I asked whether they would use a thicker oil in there. They claimed new engines have tolerances too tight for 5W-30 and they would put in ENEOS 0W-20 to obey the Nissan recommendation. I had them do that oil change with the diffs and transfer case. $68 in oil (7 qt)! $9.62 for an OEM Nissan filter and crush washer. $60 labor.

Which is an expensive oil change, but they're so snobby they refused to find an equivalent fluid for the transfer case... That Nissan-branded fluid was an epic $90.19 a qt. It needed 1.5qts, lolpuke. My research indicates that's a re-branded French oil compound that's ~$28 / qt, but what can you do. So $225 to drain and refill the pristine transfer case at 29K miles and 7 years of service.

At some point, there has to be enough wear on the piston rings that you should step up from 0W-20 to 0W-30, right? If your wife's Camry isn't using oil (my wife's 07 Camry drank it almost as bad as my '02 Maxima 6MT), sounds like the healthy oil change intervals have prevented wear, so 0W-20 should be fine. I can't imagine how bad your oil rings would be to blow through oil at 0W, but 5W is okay. The block surely heats up so fast, you're very quickly moving to a ~20 thickness.

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gt's avatar

FWIW my uncle in law has a ‘12 Rav4 with the same 2.5 that per toyota was originally spec’d for 5W-20, but at his last few oil changes the dealer said that they no longer carry 5W-20 and that it’s been superceded in all applications by 5w-20. he says the car uses a bit of oil (half a quart between changes, if that) running the 0w-20, whereas it used no oil running 5W-20. Purely anecdotal, but I believe it.

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Eric L.'s avatar

If you look at all those Bob Is The Oil Guy charts, a 0W-20 is going to be slightly less thick at "20" than a 5W-20, which is thinner than a 10W-20. Obviously there's a million variables around how "I start my car once in the morning and drive 400 miles, one-way, to a job site" is going to use oil vs "I am a work from home laptop class scrub and only ever drive half mile trips between my house, gym, coworking office, ramen house, and coffee shops and my engine never warms up."

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Boom's avatar

That shop is full of idiots. You absolutely can run a thicker oil. Question is which end of the temperature are you concerned about...

As you correctly surmise the cold performance is more important when you let the car sit for long periods and the hot end is more important if you do a lot of long distance driving.

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Ajla's avatar

Yes, you can use 0w30 just fine and and can use 5w30 just fine if your usual winter starting temperature isn't under 0F.

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Nplus1's avatar

I can't see why going from 0W to 5W anything would get you anything but slightly more wear at startup. How's the car driven? Short of going on track, there's no way that thing gets hot enough to thin the 20 weight enough to be risky.

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JasonS's avatar

Both our Mazdas run 0-20w on the turbos. I'm wondering the same.

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Boom's avatar

Why would it result in MORE wear at startup?

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XHawkeye's avatar

Keep changing oil every 5k and you'll be fine.

Mom's '11 Sienna have been feed a diet of 0W-20 for 294k miles and it's hasn't started using oil yet. (I check it when I visit) She changes oil when the van tells her to.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Super high engine temps. This is a personal bug bear of mine. As an example, why are BMW M62TUs set to run at a 225-degF water temp? I am told it is mileage for testing, particularly part-throttle efficiency under test conditions. WTF?

Overall it strikes me as an insane compromise to make and makes me hate the engine efficiency commissars all the more. Because they got what they wanted (0.5 more mpg at 2500 rpm) how many German automobiles that would otherwise still be running have been turned to scrap metal?

There aren't enough resources in the universe to account for this "uhh resources aren't finite we'll make more" mentality, it drives me insane.

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Speed's avatar

"don’t use Mobil 1 if your local store has Red Line, Royal Purple, or Pennzoil UP in stock"

is mobil 1 that bad or are the other options that good? ive not looked into the breakdown of each yet but would appreciate opinions on any

"As far as I can tell, the only reason to use 0-20w anywhere is to pass an EPA test"

im not even a pretengineer but as far as your radical goes i think the heavier oil was to maintain film strength at the higher temps your radical operates. if i took my miata to a california track id probably run a 10w40 or 20w50 as per supermiatas recommendations. anyway i too would like to know the real answer from an expert here

"Emma is Canadian. They look at things differently"

i guess i didnt know that so thanks

"Most of the men were wearing thrift-shop finds and porn-star facial hair. They had bad posture and what they lacked in upper body strength they also lacked in lower body strength."

but isnt this the kind of man that listens to this kind of music anyway? not sure what you thought they were supposed to look like. the venn diagram of guys who listen to men i trust and know who david goggins is are two separate circles

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G Jetson's avatar

"i guess i didnt know that so thanks"

It takes a wise American to tell Canadians aboooot themselves, eh.

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Speed's avatar

the older generation seems to have a chip on their shoulder with regards to americans

it just seems like cope to me

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April's avatar

I'm ready for US lead regime change in Canada and the UK. Doubt the liberation will get much push back from Airstrip One.

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John Van Stry's avatar

I use royal purple in pretty much everything. Bikes, Cars, etc. It's that good (or used to be - I guess it's possible they've changed the mix in the last twelve or so years since someone I know did a major chemical analysis on it).

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Scott A's avatar

Canadian chicks, at least the thin ones, are hot. They have a different look than American chicks, who are also hot if they're thin.

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Speed's avatar

i feel exactly the same way about american girls which is very strange when you consider that they dont really look much different at all

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Scott A's avatar

It's slightly different. Probably close enough to what I'm used to but different enough it's exotic.

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Scout_Number_4's avatar

Jack, I'd be willing to buy you tickets to Lilith Fair if you'd write another one of these reviews. I totally, truly laughed out loud...up until the point you went serious and I appreciate that, too.

Maybe my long-pondered piece for ACF could be about the time I took my son and nephew to Excision.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I wanted to go to the original Lilith Fair very badly. My first wife was NOT having it. Largely because I'd already been tackled off the stage during a Sarah McLachlan gig.

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Speed's avatar

no you dont need to elaborate on that its fine

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S2kChris's avatar

Trying to rescue a pet, no doubt.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I was definitely chasing a kitty

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sgeffe's avatar

I cackled out loud at that!

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Chuck S's avatar

I was gonna make the same joke but call it a pussy.

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Henry C.'s avatar

There's probably a hundred guys that did something to qualify for inspiring 'Possession'.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Having ran M1 0W-40 in everything for years, I thought about switching over my 5.3. Some said that the oil weight would cause issues with the AFM lifters. At this point, I’m not going to bother. I planned to keep it for 10 years/150k. We’re at 7 and 95.

The BITOG bullshit is mostly just that. Engineers or hobby engineers throwing autism at problems that largely don’t exist. Things like IMS bearings or 6.2 failures not withstanding, the internet is full of complaints about any one consumer product. Rarely do the millions of happy customers take to the internet to talk about how good something is.

FWIW, I’m lazy and just buy everything from Amsoil now. They may not be the best in any one category, but I know that I’m typically getting something decent and don’t have to buy from some weird site or drive across the city.

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S2kChris's avatar

Amusingly, Amsoil is my “exotic” way of buying fluids, because Autozone is like 2 miles away and Amazon is just a click or two.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

I assume everything from Amazon is counterfeit by default. Anything mission critical I try to avoid buying from there.

For Amsoil, I got the premium membership or something. It gives you the dealer price minus being an actual dealer. Every year that membership renews when you hit a certain dollar figure ($250 maybe?).

It’s convenient in that I can get everything there. For example, Polaris requires specific fluids in the engine, front axle, and rear axle/transmission. Amsoil has all three. Throw in oil for the truck, generators, etc. It’s pretty much a one-stop shop for me. Pricing is competitive enough and I know that what I’m getting at least isn’t junk.

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Scott A's avatar

I buy so much less from Amazon than I used to. I'd probably cancel prime except I use the streaming.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

It used to be great for things like auto parts. Then I started to notice obvious fakes or returned items.

There’s some times where it is helpful though. For example, the thermal fuse on the dryer died on a Sunday night. I had a Ching Chong Dong branded one on my doorstep at 6 the next morning. That allowed her to keep doing laundry while I waited for a genuine Whirlpool replacement to arrive from Repair Clinic. I’d never run a Chinese thermal fuse long term.

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Scott A's avatar

It used to be great for almost everything. Now it's almost all crap. I'll still buy some crap if I don't care if it's a cheap chinese knockoff but if I need anything good, I'll order from walmart or the manufacturer. I don't need most things the next day.

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sgeffe's avatar

Really?

I thought Wal-Mart WAS all cheap Chinese junk! (Or at least, that retailer is what really started the trend before they were outdone by the jungle site.)

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Morgan's avatar

I'm an Amsoil guy too. Been using it since it was called Amzoil, they sponsored me when I was racing, and I still get it at cost. Seems to do well in all the tests I've seen.

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Ice Age's avatar

"It's their world now..."

I'm thoroughly sick of hearing 60-something male coworkers use phrases like "my girlfriend" and 45-year-old female coworkers say things like "my boyfriend's baby-mama."

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Speed's avatar

its really weird to me how some guys can be on social security and on hinge

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

SO WEIRD

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Steve Ward's avatar

Wait, what is Hinge? what am I missing out on?

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Speed's avatar

analogous to tinder

ive never used it but it seems to be the popular one now

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Steve Ward's avatar

heh, when I think of "tinder" its' pine needles, twigs and birch bark.

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Scott A's avatar

I've never used hinge but it's like people of people you know. Something like that.

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KoR's avatar

The best dating app at the moment.

Now, that’s not saying much at all, but it’s still true.

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Bryce's avatar

It’s the one that forces you to actually provide detail and some degree of information about yourself. I seem to find more traction there than anywhere, and there seems to be a greater amount of quality women (Tinder is trashy, Bumble is for women who would, ahem, not fit into a Boxster).

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KoR's avatar

I met my fiancée on Hinge so I am a bit biased towards its efficacy. But even before that, I too had much more success there than anywhere else.

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Bryce's avatar

It’s also because I put 0 effort into Tinder. I haven’t checked bumble in years.

Hinge has only one truly irksome feature. It figures out what you like (which, in my case, tends to be dark-haired artists who listen to Mitski) and puts them all in the “standouts” column. Which means, if you want to like the women you actually like, they want to charge you for it. I’ll give the algorithm an A for accuracy, but I hate that it attempts to extort you for it

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Steve Ward's avatar

The Boxster Criteria. Sounds like the title of a Creighton novel.

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Bryce's avatar

The Boxster is actually a great filtration device. Helps eliminate A) hippos B) gold diggers and C) occasionally reveals a car girl. I only regret that the one Spec E36 racer matched with me simultaneously with my most recent long-term ex. Maybe I should’ve gone with her instead.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

The least worst dating app. I don’t know about now, but 5 years ago the dating pool skewed heavily towards attractive women without baggage. It also let you filter by political affiliation.

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Steve Ward's avatar

I thank god that I have no need for a dating app.

Did it let one filter out all political affiliations?

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Donkey Konger's avatar

If only!

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Semi related, took a buddy of mine (6/6/7 typa guy, movie handsome, well off) about

2

full

years.

Really more given how long he has been there -

To find one commitment-worthy conservative woman in denver.

If he could fake being a lib he could have clacked a new one every week. Not his style. Instead of walking out (my recommendation) when stuff turned political he would A&A in whichever direction the wind blew him, sometimes as a super lib, a super libertarian, a super rightist. The stories he told from this were funny, but I never understood why he didn't just walk out.

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Steve Ward's avatar

he should have looked in the rural areas of CO

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Adrian Clarke's avatar

It used to work by combing your FB friends list and suggesting friends of friends or something like that, I think. Sort of dating via ‘seven degrees of Jack Baruth’. I only know because one of my friends at art school (a Texan) was determined to sword his way round London until he remembered he was in a fancy art school where anyone can get laid.

And yes I did, despite easily being the oldest, poorest and most working class student there.

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Steve Ward's avatar

lol, "work by combing your FB friends list and suggesting friends of friends" since I refuse to even have a FB account, much less any "friends" there, I guess I would be SOL.

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Adrian Clarke's avatar

This was a decade ago, so how it works may have changed by now. Also it may be different in the US than it is in the UK.

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Speed's avatar

they were attracted to the vibe you gave off

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Peter Collins's avatar

It's the thirst for knowledge...

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S2kChris's avatar

“Baby momma” is ghetto, but “girlfriend” is the least offensive way to describe “girl I’m banging/dating and not married to”. Way better than “partner” (are you gay??) or “companion” (is it your dog?)

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Jack Baruth's avatar

There is something weird about using "girlfriend" to describe someone who was alive for the Star Wars Holiday Special.

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Scott A's avatar

They get angry when you call them your old maid.

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JasonS's avatar

Right? What else are you supposed to say?

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Ataraxis's avatar

My old hen?

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Keith's avatar

Mistress

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silentsod's avatar

Lover, lady friend, and occasionally wife

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Henry C.'s avatar

SIR. That never existed.

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countymountie's avatar

Partner has got to be the most offensive term ever. I think either gay or some old fart half of a law practice. A coworker who is a pretty decent guy overall was dropped off at the office the other day by his "partner". Yes, she was driving the Subaru and it looked like habit to them

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Donkey Konger's avatar

The terminology it uses reflects the society's intended, default mode.

In the US at least, that's being some variation of gay. After all. Heterosexuality might accidentally result in the creation of a person capable of fighting the insane tyranny running this country!

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Jeff Winks's avatar

I say “put a ring on it bro” when adult men speak of having a girlfriend.

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John Van Stry's avatar

And then they get half of everything you own when you break up a year later...

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Steve Ward's avatar

only half if you are lucky

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sgeffe's avatar

I wonder if that’s why prenups exist?

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GordonFreechad's avatar

Prenups? ... Are you talking about family court Judges toilet paper?

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Scott A's avatar

We got married after we had children. The child support would be the same as the alimony so it made it easier. The guys who get married 3-4 times with no plans on children? What are you doing!

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Scott A's avatar

Better than "Partner"

Oh, you're gay? No, just Canadian

So you're gay.

Sorry speed!

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Ice Age's avatar

"Is that guy gay, or just really, really Latin?"

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JasonS's avatar

Partner is terrible. I think even Gavin Newsom calls his wife "first partner". What?

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Ice Age's avatar

"Partners" are two cops, preferably arguing about how the car's a shiny dick with two chairs in it.

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unsafe release's avatar

Seven Mary three and four responding

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Slowtege's avatar

Partner kills me every time it's used in that context. One of the most impotent ways to tell others that they have a significant (enough) other.

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Ataraxis's avatar

The only time I want to hear partner is when John Wayne rides into town, gets off his horse and says “Howdy pardner” to a local.

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unsafe release's avatar

Hey hey hey, easy on us canucks. We’re not all gay, just super polite and maybe “open minded”.

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Scott A's avatar

Dear God we have three of you?

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unsafe release's avatar

Yessir. Consider yourself blessed by our presence 😁

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Speed's avatar

i think theres four total

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Ataraxis's avatar

Damn near an entire province here!

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JasonS's avatar

The first one doesn't bother me as much as the second. My father had a girlfriend a few years after my mother passed. He was in his late 60's.

Now, boyfriends baby mama just sounds.....well...

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Ice Age's avatar

I was of course referring to a man whose wife is still very much alive and very much not his wife anymore.

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G Jetson's avatar

"As far as I can tell, the only real issue with putting a higher weight oil in your modern engine is fuel economy. I ran 15w-50"

I changed from a 5w30 (or whatever it was at the time) to a 15w50 in my 07 Lotus Elise for some track time. Of course, the mileage stunk at the track, but it was also 3-4 mpg less while street driving some 1000s of miles after track time. I went right back to 5w30 and up the mileage went again.

Why would anyone choose 0w20 over 0w40, giving up that higher temp protection, when the price and all else is the same? Is 0w20 more stable or lasts longer, or why even try to sell it anymore?

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Sean's avatar

An Elise on track is good with 5/40 it’s more a function of the type of oil you use. Different brand oils breakdown with heat at more more or less aggressive rates.

On an Elsie for track you do what a baffled oil sump though and there is a rear toe link upgrade that’s kinda a good idea.

Never paid attention to fuel economy in that car though. Track seems to be around 11 mpg and backroads I guess in the high 20s. I’m sure you could get an Elise well into the 30s.

Probably the single best most seminal road car for drivers built in this century or

The last for that matter . It does evrything from being able to commute to backroads to track. If you online had an Elise you would have missed nothing. Yeah some

Others at 10x the cost may be more refined and with nicer motors but as a back road drive nothing comes close.

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Boom's avatar

You answered your own question. The second number is what is at play when the engine is warmed up, and the lower it is the better he fuel economy until bearings fail.

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Ajla's avatar

I'm an "oil forum person" and ridicule it all you want but the way manufacturers write oil specs for the US market over the last 20 years is complete bullshit and the guy that runs the Engineering Explained YouTube channel needs to stop rimming the OEMs as untouchable geniuses.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Well, what I'm saying is maybe we SHOULDN'T ridicule it!

Engineering Explained was trying like hell to get on the Hag teat for a while. They came to the office to personally rim my boss.

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S2kChris's avatar

They meaning more than one person or they meaning that beanpole thinks he’s something other than a dude?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It was him and some hanger-on.

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Boom's avatar

That guy continues to amaze me as a hack that clearly hasn't practiced engineering ever, and the amount of attention he garners.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

He’s the YouTube version of Shill Nye.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Met his brother once. Nice enough guy but: door to door salesman.

In a way, he was the Jack to his brother's $BARK$

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Scott A's avatar

You don’t get eyeballs by telling the truth

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Speed's avatar

but hes got a whiteboard and multiple coloured markers

surely that lends credence to his endless explanations right

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Ataraxis's avatar

Plus his nerdy presence. Everything is marketing and persuasion.

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Boom's avatar

Him in front of the whiteboard after all those years pisses me off to no end.

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Josh Howard's avatar

Shhhh... he sold his Tesla because "Elon fired his wife".

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Speed's avatar

cringe and lame

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Josh Howard's avatar

Yeah. I fast forwarded the video but it just gave me the same feeling as watching anything by Farrah these days. Sucks. I really, really used to enjoy these guys. Now I'd rather listen to Marty and Moog banter on MCM related things.

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Speed's avatar

he would be so much easier to listen to if he learned how to present properly

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

"If you know Detroit, you know the venue in question is definitely in the “burned-out crack house” section of the city. "

Masonic Temple, where my high school graduation was held because Berkley high didn't have an auditorium then, is at the southern end of what used to be called the "Cass corridor", what was formerly Detroit's skid row. Much of Cass Street has since been gentrified (Shinola's retail shop and Jack White's record & merch store and pressing plant are just off of Cass on Canfield) but the area down around Masonic still looks decrepit and scary. I don't know, however, if the neighborhood is as bad as places over on the east side. The new(er) Cass Tech high school is just across the park from Masonic and I think there's been at least some redevelopment around the Temple.

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Wyatt LCB's avatar

I think that area overall is fine anymore. I left a more scathing review of that line in my main thread comment.

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JT's avatar

I went to a concert there last year and thought it was a decent venue. Didn’t really hang out in the area, but didn’t feel unsafe either.

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