Looked up Wolf, cause I know nearly nothing about watches or clothes or knives or pens but what I read here. A decent winder has to cost that much? Also new words and slang, come for the cars stay for the pop reference
I have one that is going onto Kijiji (read Canadian Craigslist) soon. There is just an overly effete quality to it that keeps me from wanting to use it.
I know what you mean -- there's a scene in the "Ray Donovan" show where the title character spends a lot of time choosing his 5-figure watch for the day and I recoiled a little.
With what I've been reading in the press/hearing on YouTube as to how things are going at Stellantis, I wouldn't be surprised if some people from Auburn Hills had a few MANPADS lined up at the end of the runway at Oakland County International when Tavares arrives.
Looking in from the outside and knowing only what a the dumb&dishonest press tells us, it almost makes one wonder if there is some sort of intentional sabotage of the company going on. An intentional tanking of the company's ability to make money.
After all. Isn't the charitable alternative believing that 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 in Stellantis management are truly 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 stupid?
As someone on this forum previously observed: the spiral of failure only leads upwards, the trick is finding the onramp.
But seriously, it seems that most public companies are mismanaged. From what I've seen, most upper management doesn't really understand what they're doing, and impostor syndrome never really enters their empty little heads -- they just know that if they go through these motions, and click these boxes on the spreadsheet, and do these things, then they will be "good at their job."
It's a cargo cult: whether it's lean management, scrum, DEI, six sigma, offshoring, just in time manufacturing, whatever... other companies participate in particular rituals and are successful, so if WE do the same rituals, we'll be successful.
Only a handful of CEOs actually *know* what they're doing and execute on it. Love him or hate him, Elon Musk is one of them. He has his fecal matter consolidated and it seems like whatever he does seems to be successful. SpaceX vs Boeing, ULA, and Blue Origin is the most obvious example.
The Ceramic was the other watch I considered when I bought my Omega Speedmaster Racing a year ago. I'm about ready for a new watch and would consider the Ceramic, but maybe it would be superfluous? Before I clicked on the Jazzmaster link, I assumed it would be a Hamilton.
Tudor has firmly replaced Rolex as the middle class aspiration sorta-luxury watch in my mind, and not just because I much prefer the look of the aluminum bezel BB GMT to the ceramic GMT-Master II. Aside from their ludicrous haute-horology aspirations with their increasingly unhinged prices, the AD games necessary to get one a la a Hermes purse or the like has completely put me off of them. It astounds me that a viable business model is one where you can walk into a store and not purchase anything that you try on, be told it will be months/years before they can get what you want, and to add insult to injury, they try and sell you on overpriced precious metal models as an incentive to jump the list. Rolex really is right at the top of the list of greatest marketing ever concocted, right along with Ferrari. Tudor's relative lack of history in the US, and its general international reputation as "Rolex cases with ETA movements" has allowed them to be a lot more interesting of a company in terms of taking risks with their products. Rolex's big innovation this year was taking an 18mm boat anchor, making it in gold and charging as much as a well equipped 3 series.
Kinda reminds me of shopping in the Soviet Union. Except almost all stores had nothing other than display items, and you had to be more equal than your comrades to get into the fancy stores that actually would sell you stuff.
The two comments at the end of Wert-man’s sorry ass article are pretty funny.
His bio at the end states he is a “former storyteller at GM”. WTF does that mean? That he worked in the Ren Cen nursery and read Dr Seuss books to the kiddos every afternoon?
Fauxci, ratfucker that he is, just got Covid for the 3rd time after 6 different doses of vaccine and booster. Masks didn't prevent the spread, 6' apart was literally made up on the spot, vaccines didn't prevent infection, the list of lies goes on and on. Now they are telling us that the economy is so great we need to institute price controls on grocery stores. And the border has never been so secure as when Kamala, who IS NOT the border czar, what are you right wingers talking about, took over.
On Day 1 of her administration, after doing countless other unbelievably stupid and inane stuff for all the comrades, Harris intends to appoint Walz as the Border Czar, with the hope that he will uncover the root causes of the immigration crisis had there actually been one. At the very least, by Day 2, we will all be unburdened by the past, and have a full understanding that Ukraine is a small country in Europe, and a large country, called Russia, has invaded the small country, Ukraine.
Nate, she wants price controls. Would you agree with me that the Washington Post is not anti-Kamala, or biased against Democrats? Here's what they have to say
Kamala is extremely vague in regards to what she actually means. I have a feeling this is more about strengthening the hold of the 4 or 5 big major food producers by standardizing prices and removing competition. Also remember the owner of the Post also owns Amazon and Whole Foods. The oligarchs may be finding themselves at odds.
As much as I absolutely hate her, she just throws up a word salad that tends to be vague.. so no she did not say price controls, and the 'economists' need to shut up and let the economy, you know, do it's thing.
Have you ever considered the particulate size meant to be filtered by, for example, an N95 mask, and then compared that to the size of aerosolized sarscov2 molecule in suspension?
Lets just say N95s properly fitted wouldn't have helped, which means the facediapers did less than nothing.
I love the horological talk. My watch habits would make Dave Ramsey have a stroke. When I wanted a dive watch in the 2-3k range I ended up dropping 12 grand on a Submariner. When I wanted a sub 1000 dollar field watch I ended up spending 5 grand on IWC Mark XX.
I have a Hamilton Khaki Aviation Day Date that’s been worn a handful of times and is taking up space. 46mm on a crocodile embossed (not crocodile) leather strap. It is just going to collect dust and should go.
I just re-watched the Grand Tour ‘A Massive Hunt” and saw the Hamilton Pan Europe that James May was wearing on a NATO strap. That got me thinking about the Hamilton that I have collecting dust in the watch box. That said, I am in the middle of a consequential year with regards to birthdays and anniversaries, so I am in the middle of adding a few Rolex’s to the collection. Adding a datejust for the wife and another GMT for me unless I can get the AD to deliver a Daytona. I know how you feel about those who actually buy a Daytona instead of winning one through competition, but I don’t care, I want that watch. My Seiko Monster is a forever watch, along with a Tag 1887 that is special for personal reasons. The Milgauss and Pepsi are also heirlooms for the kids. I guess I buy more than I sell at this point. That Pan Europ is calling to me right now.
“I know how you feel about those who actually buy a Daytona instead of winning one through competition, but I don’t care, I want that watch.”
That only applies to people who go racing at that level; once I got an IMSA card, I was forbidden from buying one. Similarly, I might buy myself an IWC Top Gun but my son better not wear one.
I currently have a Seiko SRPE55 that has a similar dial to Tudor's Black Bay watches. I have a hard time spending that much for watches, but more power to folks if they can. I've always wanted a Rolex Explorer 1016, but I found a Zeno Super Precision that has a similar aesthetic for a fraction of the price. I'm OK with homage watches, as I rather spend the money travelling the world at this point of my life. And what do I wear during said travels? My Casio G-Shock of course.
The value stream and the quality of the bezel, materials. I hope and like to think the pcb was printed in Japan. I’m no Casio expert. I love my stainless G shock.
Even has “Oysterlume” or whatever the hell they call it. Been a great watch. I’m seriously considering the Black Bay GMT pro. I’m also seriously considering remaining married.
Oh the BB GMT would be WAY more than two. My real problem is I can’t get off the fence on whether the Tudor “Pan Am” GMT is the right one out of the two.
If you want a decorated movement without spending a lot of money, buy a vintage "Railroad" pocket watch. The only problem is you have to unscrew the back to see it.
They're actually quite reasonable. I bought a Ball Railroad watch by Waltham in pretty nice shape for about $300. The gold plating on the case had worn away in a couple of small areas and there was one small hairline crack below the six on the dial (the face is porcelain) that became invisible after I had the watch cleaned and serviced, another $300 or so.
Ball was a Cleveland jeweler who managed to convince the railroad industry to use watches made to his standards. He never actually made his own watches but rather licensed companies like Waltham and Elgin to make them.
Outside of watch enthusiasts circles it's not generally known that it was American watch companies that pretty much perfected quality watchmaking, not the Swiss, and that companies like Rolex (which was founded in London, not Switzerland) followed the American method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_system_of_watch_manufacturing
"reasonable" is very subjective . my /Breitling (SP ?) cost upwards of $350 so I only wear it when going out with my Sweet .
I have a 1930's Ingersoll wristwatch that the original owner told me he'd paid $3 for when new . I used it for decades before it halted, I wonder if it's even worth having cleaned and adjusted .
It's interesting that Waltham created the method of production watches . I used to live not far from the factory, it sits on a river, I'd guess (?) they used the water flow to run the machinery .
The last time I visited it was a very cool museum .
One of the things the BB ceramic has going for it is that when you Google it, Walmart pops up at under $5000 for one. It's both a small savings and a pat on the back to the successful contractor.
Looked up Wolf, cause I know nearly nothing about watches or clothes or knives or pens but what I read here. A decent winder has to cost that much? Also new words and slang, come for the cars stay for the pop reference
They're always on sale. I just paid $399 shipped for a double.
I have one that is going onto Kijiji (read Canadian Craigslist) soon. There is just an overly effete quality to it that keeps me from wanting to use it.
I know what you mean -- there's a scene in the "Ray Donovan" show where the title character spends a lot of time choosing his 5-figure watch for the day and I recoiled a little.
That show had a couple of great seasons.
With what I've been reading in the press/hearing on YouTube as to how things are going at Stellantis, I wouldn't be surprised if some people from Auburn Hills had a few MANPADS lined up at the end of the runway at Oakland County International when Tavares arrives.
MANPADS: Yes
Dude Wipes: No
Looking in from the outside and knowing only what a the dumb&dishonest press tells us, it almost makes one wonder if there is some sort of intentional sabotage of the company going on. An intentional tanking of the company's ability to make money.
After all. Isn't the charitable alternative believing that 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 in Stellantis management are truly 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 stupid?
A remarkable number of people in upper management are that stupid. Failing up
As someone on this forum previously observed: the spiral of failure only leads upwards, the trick is finding the onramp.
But seriously, it seems that most public companies are mismanaged. From what I've seen, most upper management doesn't really understand what they're doing, and impostor syndrome never really enters their empty little heads -- they just know that if they go through these motions, and click these boxes on the spreadsheet, and do these things, then they will be "good at their job."
It's a cargo cult: whether it's lean management, scrum, DEI, six sigma, offshoring, just in time manufacturing, whatever... other companies participate in particular rituals and are successful, so if WE do the same rituals, we'll be successful.
Only a handful of CEOs actually *know* what they're doing and execute on it. Love him or hate him, Elon Musk is one of them. He has his fecal matter consolidated and it seems like whatever he does seems to be successful. SpaceX vs Boeing, ULA, and Blue Origin is the most obvious example.
We make extremely witty and informative comments. I'm talking about myself, nobody else.
We really messed up that race.
And by we I mean me.
The ROYAL 'we' yes ? .
-Nate
I would definitely enjoy more watch focused content from you, Jack. Thanks!
The Ceramic was the other watch I considered when I bought my Omega Speedmaster Racing a year ago. I'm about ready for a new watch and would consider the Ceramic, but maybe it would be superfluous? Before I clicked on the Jazzmaster link, I assumed it would be a Hamilton.
We have a Speedmaster Racing in the house... I think you have the better watch, honestly. I'm REALLY interested in that honeycomb dial Super Racing.
Just looked up that honeycomb super racing
Level of want is high on that one.
It's a handsome watch. Too bad it costs more than my car is worth.
Damn, that is nice. I've got a few omega's but don't follow all the different speedmaster releases, really like that one.
Getting entered into a raffle without doing anything? Hell yeah! I hope the word "perpetual" comes up when discussing the winder.
Shoreline Gold, damn! Very nice.
It's brilliant, but since I got my 1965 Jazzy I never pick it up!
Tudor has firmly replaced Rolex as the middle class aspiration sorta-luxury watch in my mind, and not just because I much prefer the look of the aluminum bezel BB GMT to the ceramic GMT-Master II. Aside from their ludicrous haute-horology aspirations with their increasingly unhinged prices, the AD games necessary to get one a la a Hermes purse or the like has completely put me off of them. It astounds me that a viable business model is one where you can walk into a store and not purchase anything that you try on, be told it will be months/years before they can get what you want, and to add insult to injury, they try and sell you on overpriced precious metal models as an incentive to jump the list. Rolex really is right at the top of the list of greatest marketing ever concocted, right along with Ferrari. Tudor's relative lack of history in the US, and its general international reputation as "Rolex cases with ETA movements" has allowed them to be a lot more interesting of a company in terms of taking risks with their products. Rolex's big innovation this year was taking an 18mm boat anchor, making it in gold and charging as much as a well equipped 3 series.
My sub 140460m that I've had since 2006 has so much more in common with the Tudor BB than the current Sub.
Kinda reminds me of shopping in the Soviet Union. Except almost all stores had nothing other than display items, and you had to be more equal than your comrades to get into the fancy stores that actually would sell you stuff.
"Rolex is Lexus while Tudor is Toyota"
...if the Toyota was priced like an ES, and the Lexus was priced like an LFA*
* if as if priced within the broader car market, where a plain Jane Seiko 5 is a Camry
This Ray Wert fellow was a bit over the top with his CoronaBro-ing a few years back. Also his wife is ugly, but THE BABY LIVED!
https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26350/guest_column_michigan_republicans_endanger_my_pregnant_wife_at_work_in_the_state_senate
What a, and I don’t say this lightly, fucking fag.
Think of all the Catholic men she rejected at Notre Dame to wind up with him.
I prefer to think that they rejected her.
pictured above is the average lesbian couple
crazy how she never got picked up by any other politicians considering how much of a boy she looks
The two comments at the end of Wert-man’s sorry ass article are pretty funny.
His bio at the end states he is a “former storyteller at GM”. WTF does that mean? That he worked in the Ren Cen nursery and read Dr Seuss books to the kiddos every afternoon?
i think it means he was in drag
What a shame that the masks turned out to be mostly useless.
Fortunately we held all to people who pushed this accountable!
Fauxci, ratfucker that he is, just got Covid for the 3rd time after 6 different doses of vaccine and booster. Masks didn't prevent the spread, 6' apart was literally made up on the spot, vaccines didn't prevent infection, the list of lies goes on and on. Now they are telling us that the economy is so great we need to institute price controls on grocery stores. And the border has never been so secure as when Kamala, who IS NOT the border czar, what are you right wingers talking about, took over.
On Day 1 of her administration, after doing countless other unbelievably stupid and inane stuff for all the comrades, Harris intends to appoint Walz as the Border Czar, with the hope that he will uncover the root causes of the immigration crisis had there actually been one. At the very least, by Day 2, we will all be unburdened by the past, and have a full understanding that Ukraine is a small country in Europe, and a large country, called Russia, has invaded the small country, Ukraine.
lying again ~ NO PRICE CONTROLS .
Anti - trust is a very different thing indeed .
-Nate
Nate, she wants price controls. Would you agree with me that the Washington Post is not anti-Kamala, or biased against Democrats? Here's what they have to say
https://archive.is/YRZIF
Kamala is extremely vague in regards to what she actually means. I have a feeling this is more about strengthening the hold of the 4 or 5 big major food producers by standardizing prices and removing competition. Also remember the owner of the Post also owns Amazon and Whole Foods. The oligarchs may be finding themselves at odds.
As much as I absolutely hate her, she just throws up a word salad that tends to be vague.. so no she did not say price controls, and the 'economists' need to shut up and let the economy, you know, do it's thing.
That’s the exact article I was referencing.
President Harris couldn’t find the Doritos at a convenience store but has a deep understanding of grocery store margins. What could possibly go wrong.
Cue the MAGA hate nonsense in 3…2….
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1826673396828328286?t=AKVq4EyWpIgg3VkUsv3JyQ&s=19
i still contend that the people who pushed it knew how pointless a piece of tshirt was as a filter but made you do it anyway
Tshirt? Sounds fancy. This is a photo I took of a local news interview on 24 April 2020:
https://imgur.com/a/tSMSeBn
He seems nice
The perfect New American.
Well, think of all the crime facilitated by them, that's something. Nassau County NY has banned them for that reason.
Or, not .
-Nate
Nate,
Have you ever considered the particulate size meant to be filtered by, for example, an N95 mask, and then compared that to the size of aerosolized sarscov2 molecule in suspension?
Lets just say N95s properly fitted wouldn't have helped, which means the facediapers did less than nothing.
You got to rebreathe your last meal every day, so there's that.
{Kamala/Willie Brown joke goes here}
Well, if your mind is made up no amount of facts will change it .
Being afraid of a black woman is silly .
Unless of course, she's armed and you're in my neighborhood, then you'd best be ready .
-Nate
I can never remember if wearing a mask protects the wearer or other people from getting Covid.
Yes.
They helped a certain class of ugly people not look ugly in public.
They have a use
https://x.com/OwenGregorian/status/1826602597664313597?t=RJl2j5TWlVVK-CvwaLe3cQ&s=19
This is brilliant.
It's past brilliant into gross... Like the parody exposes the nature in a more real and obvious way. It's like post-nut clarity for ideologies.
shitposting irl
hes living my dream
a open troll posting on x and you expect anyone with a thinking mind to pay serious attention ? .
-Nate
"Many a true word is spoken in jest"
"_in risu veritas_" -James Joyce
No jesting, just dishonesty writ large .
Sedition is a serious offense .
-Nate
Gee surprise surprise Ray Wert appears to be an authentic chukold husband married to an apparent dike.
Next to him, Jack's old boss is a toxic male...
How nice of the humble Mr. Tavares to use the royal we (pluralis majestatis).
I love the horological talk. My watch habits would make Dave Ramsey have a stroke. When I wanted a dive watch in the 2-3k range I ended up dropping 12 grand on a Submariner. When I wanted a sub 1000 dollar field watch I ended up spending 5 grand on IWC Mark XX.
If you ever want to sell the XX, I have a young pilot out there.
I have a Hamilton Khaki Aviation Day Date that’s been worn a handful of times and is taking up space. 46mm on a crocodile embossed (not crocodile) leather strap. It is just going to collect dust and should go.
That's a nice watch. What would you replace it with?
I just re-watched the Grand Tour ‘A Massive Hunt” and saw the Hamilton Pan Europe that James May was wearing on a NATO strap. That got me thinking about the Hamilton that I have collecting dust in the watch box. That said, I am in the middle of a consequential year with regards to birthdays and anniversaries, so I am in the middle of adding a few Rolex’s to the collection. Adding a datejust for the wife and another GMT for me unless I can get the AD to deliver a Daytona. I know how you feel about those who actually buy a Daytona instead of winning one through competition, but I don’t care, I want that watch. My Seiko Monster is a forever watch, along with a Tag 1887 that is special for personal reasons. The Milgauss and Pepsi are also heirlooms for the kids. I guess I buy more than I sell at this point. That Pan Europ is calling to me right now.
“I know how you feel about those who actually buy a Daytona instead of winning one through competition, but I don’t care, I want that watch.”
That only applies to people who go racing at that level; once I got an IMSA card, I was forbidden from buying one. Similarly, I might buy myself an IWC Top Gun but my son better not wear one.
love the XX, great choice. Wish they made a smaller one.
I currently have a Seiko SRPE55 that has a similar dial to Tudor's Black Bay watches. I have a hard time spending that much for watches, but more power to folks if they can. I've always wanted a Rolex Explorer 1016, but I found a Zeno Super Precision that has a similar aesthetic for a fraction of the price. I'm OK with homage watches, as I rather spend the money travelling the world at this point of my life. And what do I wear during said travels? My Casio G-Shock of course.
If you could only have one watch, and you needed it to work, a Japan screwback G-Shock is it.
The Internet is a bit fuzzy regarding the specific details of this… Can you provide a link, good sir?
https://gshock.casio.com/us/products/premium/
That's it!
You got me interested. What are the main differences between JP vs not?
The value stream and the quality of the bezel, materials. I hope and like to think the pcb was printed in Japan. I’m no Casio expert. I love my stainless G shock.
Picked up a GW5000U-1 in Korea this year. My first G-Shock. Love the screw back.
Do they make one where you can put a nicer strap on it? I have a hard time paying $300 for a watch with a plastic strap.
There are strap converters if you want a NATO, but unfortunately there's no way to mount something like a traditional leather strap.
I had a tudor factory service on my North Flag, and it was ~600 dollars. This included replacing a broken part.
You have a 2016-era North Flag, "the most Rolex content Tudor ever made"????? Envious.
Even has “Oysterlume” or whatever the hell they call it. Been a great watch. I’m seriously considering the Black Bay GMT pro. I’m also seriously considering remaining married.
You're entitled to a pair of watches. I'm pretty sure it's in the Bible.
i mean noah got two of everything on the ark
Oh the BB GMT would be WAY more than two. My real problem is I can’t get off the fence on whether the Tudor “Pan Am” GMT is the right one out of the two.
Somewhere in Chron-icles, I believe.
I have a BB Pro GMT that I wear a lot. Its the right size for my smaller wrist and works as advertised, including power reserve.
Wrist shot?
Here you go!
https://www.flamingfeline.com/Ramdom-Crap/n-JbvHft
Nice. I like it on the black strap.
If you want a decorated movement without spending a lot of money, buy a vintage "Railroad" pocket watch. The only problem is you have to unscrew the back to see it.
https://www.thepocketwatchguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/11-3_2.jpg
That's _BEAUTIFUL_ .
I can only imagine the price .
-Nate
They're actually quite reasonable. I bought a Ball Railroad watch by Waltham in pretty nice shape for about $300. The gold plating on the case had worn away in a couple of small areas and there was one small hairline crack below the six on the dial (the face is porcelain) that became invisible after I had the watch cleaned and serviced, another $300 or so.
Ball was a Cleveland jeweler who managed to convince the railroad industry to use watches made to his standards. He never actually made his own watches but rather licensed companies like Waltham and Elgin to make them.
Outside of watch enthusiasts circles it's not generally known that it was American watch companies that pretty much perfected quality watchmaking, not the Swiss, and that companies like Rolex (which was founded in London, not Switzerland) followed the American method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_system_of_watch_manufacturing
wow that is reasonable
id heard of them before but never thought they would be affordable
Well ronnie ;
"reasonable" is very subjective . my /Breitling (SP ?) cost upwards of $350 so I only wear it when going out with my Sweet .
I have a 1930's Ingersoll wristwatch that the original owner told me he'd paid $3 for when new . I used it for decades before it halted, I wonder if it's even worth having cleaned and adjusted .
It's interesting that Waltham created the method of production watches . I used to live not far from the factory, it sits on a river, I'd guess (?) they used the water flow to run the machinery .
The last time I visited it was a very cool museum .
THANK YOU for the great link ! .
-Nate
One of the things the BB ceramic has going for it is that when you Google it, Walmart pops up at under $5000 for one. It's both a small savings and a pat on the back to the successful contractor.
Yeah, nobody who thinks they are anybody thinks a Tudor is enviable.