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MotoGP was in Austin, TX this past weekend where Marc Marquez traditionally runs at the front. This time around was no exception with him handily taking pole position, his brother third on the grid, and Fabio Digiantonnio in second. Bagnaia all the way down in sixth!

Honda once again put two bikes into Q2, this time both factory riders, and is regularly performing better than Yamaha's factory team. Jack Miller looks at ease on his ride with another Q2 appearance.

KTM's Acosta qualified fourth, his best of the season so far and the best for a KTM. Vinales, who won here last year, finally made it to Q2 but was down in 10th.

At the start of the sprint Bagnaia made an excellent beginning and stormed to the front to fight with Marc Marquez. Eventually beaten within the opening few laps he would settle down for another third place behind Alex M in second and Marc Marquez with a one second gap for victory. Digi's poor start saw him fight his way to fourth from second.

The race had a bizarre beginning with riders scrambling to swap to dry bikes while on the grid. Very strange. At the beginning Pecco once again had a killer start to move up into the podium places. Marc Marquez however, breezed to a two second gap by lap 9. He would finally show the ability to make mistakes by bumping over too much curb in the esses and lose the front, scraping off a footpeg, and making a points recovery impossible. Alex Marquez lost out to Bagnaia who finished first and made up 25 points to stay in third in the championship. Alex Marquez is now leading with 87 points over big brother's 86.

Joan Mir crashed out yet again but Luca Marini finished in the top ten. Quartararo fought to 10th after a rough beginning. Bez finally bested Ogura in a race finishing 6th with Ogura again in the top 10. Enea Bastianini finally finished decently in 7th and was the top KTM with both factory bikes out.

Qatar is next with Lusail favoring the high top speeds of Ducati and KTM for overtakes down the big straight.

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Thomas Brick's avatar

Re: loopy, hit me up directly if you're interested. She really is a helluva kitty. Jack can get you my direct contact info.

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Chuck S's avatar

thank you for stepping up and saving me the trouble of figuring out how to get Loopy across the country to Oakland. that said, Jack let me know if things fall through and she needs a home. I've already got a 3-pound deaf cat who can't walk or even stand and requires a small fortune in ongoing care. What's one more special needs cat?

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Speed's avatar

god bless you

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98horn's avatar

I wonder if America would have collapsed under a Harris presidency, especially after sending troops to UKR. Between the proxy war and gross abuse of the taxpayers in the form of USAID funded NGOs, the republic is seriously frayed at the edges.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

And in most important ways, the current administration is just as bad; much worse than expected. I don't quite know how this ends.

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-Nate's avatar

Yet still not a single word against trump and the gop's looting of and crashing the economy .

-Nate

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Consider re-reading the post more closely.

(That said, I don't think Trump is "crashing the economy" as I don't think any president controls the economy directly. What I don't like is beating up on our allies / friends / relatives who have equal or better labor & environmental standards like Canada and Europe but NOT aggressively targeting China and India and doing nothing to undo Obama's unlawful conversion of H-4 and F-1 visas into work visas. Actually sucking up to India in many ways...although maybe giving them more nuclear capability will mean that they characteristically fuck it up and kill a few hundred million.)

https://www.india.com/news/world/india-united-states-us-department-of-energy-holtec-asia-tata-consulting-engineers-ltd-tcel-larsen-and-toubro-donald-trump-narendra-modi-ratan-tata-npcil-nuclear-reactors-7720474/

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-Nate's avatar

Okay, I will do that .

If you are blind to the economic damage the president is doing, I cannot help you because you obviously don't care about the truth .

-Nate

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I'm less "blind" than I pay more attention to other things. I don't like some of the federal cuts yet cuts DO have to be made. Even in my teens I thought that bringing back tariffs would be a very good idea, so I'm not going to turn against that just because the stock market is undergoing a much-needed correction. Also, egg prices are down which is very important since I can barely afford protein.

Feel free to tell me what specifically Trump is doing to damage the economy: I just may not be aware of it as I'm technically working 3 jobs right now, none of which pay better than California fast food.

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-Nate's avatar

Please tell me on what <magic island> egg prices as lower than before .

I won't waste your time debating what you already know to be facts, I don't like them either but I'm no coward who lies about what's plain to see .

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see .

-Nate

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Sir I’m glad to see you have returned; I was afraid I had run you off!

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

i refuse to see trannies in women's sports. i think trump has a good longrange plan. you just don't like him personally.

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Luke Holmes's avatar

It is important to hold on to the long-range view.

I, for example, was very upset over the Trump/Zelensky press conference fiasco. It weakened the position of both Ukraine and the US.

Now, following the ceasefire talks, Putin is showing his true intent, and Trump is 'pissed off' with him, bringing Trump to the position that Zelensky was trying to rush him to in front of a room full of journalists.

As we know from sales or dealing with children, there is a process that must be followed, and steps cannot be skipped. While the bullying style is anathema to me, Trump has a vision, a plan and a process that will make America stronger and better.

It is also the age-old battle between deontological and teleological ethics. While Nate and I sweat every action to ensure it is ethical, good leadership requires a more teleological approach.

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Erik's avatar

I do not say this as an insult, but you have a very naive view of Canada if you think it’s a friend or ally.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I follow https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/ enough to know that it is now Khalistan, but I know that many Legacy Canadians hate it. But what else should I know?

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

The best part of the past three months is that Euros and Canadians have let the mask slip. Instead of whispering about their disdain for Americans, they’re free to do so openly. It’s even encouraged.

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Speed's avatar

up here ive seen disdain for trump but not for americans themselves

varies a lot from place to place but thats how ive seen it

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April's avatar

I would be very disappointed in Canadians if I didn't have such low expectations.

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98horn's avatar

Disagree that it's "just a bad." I don't like a lot of what Trump does, but I'm pleased with DOGE. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

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Speed's avatar

sunlight is great

some online health guru cranks have taken to promoting the benefits of sunning your balls and anus

not making that up

also dont think about sunburn there

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I think MadTV did that years ago.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Don’t forget the perineum!

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Mine is still healing from that rare infection due to Jardiance.

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Speed's avatar

the taint is included in the ball/hole sunning procedure

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

I said "most important ways." At least they're not making the most extreme form of the transgender movement the centerpiece of their agenda.

But I can't support an administration that's doubling-down on India's colonization of ~every~ white-collar job while educated Americans sit on the sidelines.

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98horn's avatar

Agree wholeheartedly. If I were king, I'd eliminate H-1B and similar programs immediately.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Trump could immediately eliminate the two largest categories of work visa, H-4 and OPT, because Congress never created them as work visas...specifically H-4 was always understood as a non-work visa for 45 years.

Very late in the last Trump term he did attempt some reforms of H-1B but an activist judge blocked them due to the head of DHS not being properly sworn in or some other technicality. But this time not only are they not re-asserting those rules, or proposing new rules (like Bernie's "median local wage" requirement), but they're not even rolling back the Biden/Harris changes from December 2024 that broadened the type of organizations that are allowed UNLIMITED H-1Bs.

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98horn's avatar

Despicable

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T Michaels's avatar

Gotta keep that sweet techbro cash flowing

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James R's avatar

My money is on the trouble stemming from rot at the core, rather than being frayed at the edges.

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Chuck S's avatar

USAID accounted for 0.3 percent of federal spending last year. you know who benefits most from killing it? China. all of the soft diplomacy that USAID did is being taken over by China, who will be viewed as the good guys in all the countries that no longer receive US assistance. this will bolster China's influence and standing in the world.

we're already seeing this in Myanmar, where China has sent $13.9 million in aid and dispatched search and rescue crews. Meanwhile, the US has pledged $2M and, last I read, is still trying to get search and rescue crews together and dispatched.

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98horn's avatar

We’re not responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world.

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Chuck S's avatar

No, we are not. But when things do go wrong and it is China who steps in to help when it used to be us, that strengthens China's position in the world. If China is the threat Trump says it is, why would he lose so much to gain so little?

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Henry C.'s avatar

You've confused 'economic rival' with 'existential enemy'. Our leaders consciously chose to make China what it is today mostly out of greed and to a slightly lesser degree hatred of their own constituents.

I'm not sure that the US has more of a moral right or obligation to determine what happens away from its own borders and immediate interests, let alone on the doorstep of another regional/world power. In any case, buying subs at Politico is not it.

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Chuck S's avatar

Given the scale of China's economy and the investments it is making around the world (see the Belt and Road initiative, for example, the number of embassies it is opening worldwide, and the role it is moving to fill as the US guts USAID and the like), I think you can argue that China's position as an economic rival does pose an existential threat. if China is out there winning hearts and minds as Trump retreats from the world stage, that only bolsters China's standing - political, cultural, and economic - at the cost of our own.

the United States was since the collapse of the Soviet Union the lone superpower, using its economic might to advance its agenda and objectives through programs like USAID. we are now ceding that ground to others.

Again, we are eliminating this to save 3 tenths of one percent of the US budget. if the current administration has a problem with providing subscriptions to Politico, great. cut them. hell - fire the person who approved it. but to cut the entire program - even putting aside the obvious impact it has on US farmers - is going to prove penny wise, pound foolish.

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Henry C.'s avatar

The Chinese on the world stage are first and foremost merchants in spirit and practice, and they got good at it because we purposely let them hollow out our economy. They don't seem to care much about our culture as long as they make money and leave theirs alone.

USAID was used to spread leftism in the same fashion as the Soviets spread Communism to subvert cultures, including our own, around the world in the 20th Century. I suppose one can believe that the USA advancing its agenda around the world is a good thing or a bad thing. It is pretty damn arrogant.

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ChipotleDoc's avatar

Myanmar may not be the best example to give for this …

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Chuck S's avatar

No, but it is the most recent.

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98horn's avatar

Good. China can waste their money on trans comic books in Argentina instead of my tax dollars

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Chuck S's avatar

You don't honestly believe anything even remotely like that is what's happening, do you?

In addition to helping China, cutting USAID hurts US farmers. The program bought $2 billion in commodities from American growers in 2023, helping stabilize prices and provide a market for surplus food to avoid a glut.

Again. All of this for 0.3 percent cut in the federal budget.

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98horn's avatar

Show your receipts

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Richard Clarke's avatar

Time to let Bond movies fade away. He had his time and gave us some wonderful moments, and basically invented an entire genre. He also invented the movie quip with gems like: "That's a Smith & Wesson, and you've had your six" , and "I can be a lot more persuasive"

I just finally finished Nicholas Shakespeare's new biography of Ian Fleming. I read it on Kindle but I imagine the physical book would make one heck of a doorstop. That thing is thorough: it starts in 1907, prior to the author's birth, with detailed analysis of Fleming's experiences as a an embryo. 9,000 pages later we are in Switzerland in the early 1930s.

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CJinSD's avatar

I've got a treatment prepared for the next Bond film. He'll be on his home turf, battling online bullies who are haranguing the cherished Muslim migrant rage gangs that have blessed the UK with the great strength of diversity.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

DO IT!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Sir I believe you meant to type "rape gangs" but i think "rage gangs" also applies.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Good catch: My brain auto-corrected it to "rape."

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CJinSD's avatar

You are correct.

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Ice Nine's avatar

"Muslim migrant raping rage gangs" describes the situation better.

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Speed's avatar

a dream of a europe in which their main concern is the number of trees and the availability of rope

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CJinSD's avatar

Who comprises the rage gangs that are raping Muslim migrants?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Let me translate that into Latin real quick, it will sound more dignified.

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Speed's avatar

natural british citizens

wait no thats not it at all

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Henry C.'s avatar

Flip this on its head and I would pay to see that in a real theater.

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CJinSD's avatar

What does what people want to pay to see in a theater have to do with the movies that are currently getting made?

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Henry C.'s avatar

Absolutely nothing.

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-Nate's avatar

islam has always been and remains a dangerous cult .

-Nate

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I've known too many admirable Muslims to feel that way. Most of the time I have more in common with a Muslim than I do with a Redditor.

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TheGr8Landini's avatar

In principle I agree, having read a couple translations of the Quran. It's like Communism; despise 'em as a whole, but recognize that people are individuals and a good man may well find himself marching under the wrong banner for reasons of nationality, nature or nurture. I can wholeheartedly condemn the philosophy without hating all its adherents.

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

before '55 there'd been 5 books written over the decades about the muslim religion being contrived as a mechanism to unite the arab world

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Chuck S's avatar

the worst thing about any and every religion is its most ardent practitioners. this is not limited to Islam.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Please make Bond a Muslim in your screenplay. This will produce some fantastic ironic quips. Then have Jamari Bond bed some white supermodels, preferably Christian or Jewish ones.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen protests at a movie theater, but this would do it.

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Speed's avatar

indian bond and jewish bond girls

jagpreet bond and pussyberg galorestein

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Ataraxis's avatar

Perfect! We need the final scene to take place at UN Headquarters, the ultimate villain lair.

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Speed's avatar

i defy anyone who thinks klaus schwab wouldnt make a believable bond villian

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

He could be Goldfinger’s son.

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Nolan's avatar

Look at the Night Manager if you want to see a hint of what Amazon has in store for Bond

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Speed's avatar

is it called night manager becuase hes black

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

oops! i confused it with 'night porter' with dirk bogarde

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John Van Stry's avatar

Amazon fired the gal who you mentioned above.

However, I think her replacement might have been worse.

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Mozzie's avatar

That's the same issue dictatorships around the world face. This guy's bad, but what about the next guy.

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John Van Stry's avatar

Hiring people for this job is easy just:

1: no DEI.

2: have a record of success.

3: stay away from crazy political assholes.

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CJinSD's avatar

I think I heard that they're doing away with her position.

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John Van Stry's avatar

That's what I heard as well, but the person who is supposedly going to be in charge next is also a cat-lady loon.

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CJinSD's avatar

Did they fire her merely to appear to be doing something about having lost so much of their investors' money?

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John Van Stry's avatar

I don't think Amazon cares about the money.

I think it's more that Bezos got tired of her shit - everything she made was an utter failure because she's a leftist moron. You can be one of those and still do well, but you can't be both.

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Luke Holmes's avatar

c.f. Red Bull F1

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John Van Stry's avatar

What the times wrote about a lot of us have been saying for years.

There are American soldiers in Ukraine and some of have been killed fighting - and are immediately called 'deserters who just ended up there'.

Yeah... Right...

I don't know why the democrats want a hot war with Russia, but they've been pushing for one since Hillary was running State.

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bluebarchetta's avatar

I'm still shocked that we blew up Nord Stream I and II and told the mainstream media that the Russians did it themselves. How would we respond if Putin blew up the Trans-Alaska Pipeline and said with a wink, "The Americans must have done it themselves"?

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John Van Stry's avatar

I'm still not sure we did it. But it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

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Ice Age's avatar

NOTHING would shock me at this point.

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John Van Stry's avatar

YEah, our government has become pretty evil.

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Adam's avatar

The Biden administration would never had had the balls for that.

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John Van Stry's avatar

That's why they were inching towards it constantly. Thinking that they could get into a war and win it before anyone realized we were in a war.

I mean, they had the balls to authorize attacks on Russian soil with American assets, and tht's pretty damn ballsy right there.

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Adam's avatar

They had the idiocy to handwring about escalation, then authorize those steps much later after they could have been more useful. I’ll give the critics that, the Biden administration didn’t have any coherent foreign policy beyond wanting inconvenient things to go away. Probably a result of a bunch of coms staffers fighting with Lady MacBeth to determine what actual policy was.

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John Van Stry's avatar

I have been told that Valerie Jarrett in her basement office was running a lot of the foreign policy.

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Scott A's avatar

It's literally like watching children "I'm not touching you"

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Henry C.'s avatar

If not us, the Brits. If Ukrainians were involved it was to the degree that you'd hold the power drill while your five year old pulled the trigger.

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John Van Stry's avatar

There is also the possibility it really was an accident due to shoddy maintenance by the Russians. A friend who knows these things was very much leaning in that direction.

However, time will tell.

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TheGr8Landini's avatar

Sy Hersh has me pretty well convinced we did.

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John Van Stry's avatar

Yeah, but Sy Hersh is an idiot.

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TheGr8Landini's avatar

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

One theory on "why the democrats want a hot war with Russia":

https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/world-war-g-and-military-industrial.html

Lots of other articles in that vein.

I seem to remember that the anti-Russia rhetoric started when the Russia stopped sending orphans to the US because the US was allowing homosexuals to adopt.

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John Van Stry's avatar

Could be.

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Adam's avatar

I still think the anti-Russia sentiment (and anti-facebook) almost entirely stems from Hillary and her campaign advisors looking for a scapegoat instead of admitting they ran a terrible algorithm campaign with an atrocious candidate.

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Speed's avatar

"Russia stopped sending orphans to the US because the US was allowing homosexuals to adopt"

but why would that be objectionable

*checks graph*

oh

oh no

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Nolan's avatar

Scott Horton’s book Provoked is an exhaustive review of the Ukraine situation starting at the end of the Cold War if anyone wants further historical context.

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yossarian's avatar

yes, victoria nuland created this mess. the entire ukraine war response has been an exercise in squeezing putin's balls. ukraine never had any possibility of regaining the eastern oblasts or crimea without foreign troops. lock putin and zelenskyy into a room with a map and a sharpie. don't let them out until they draw a line.

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Joshua Fromer's avatar

It’s unfortunate for me that there’s a perpetually (pun intended) negative correlation between the availability of certain watches at my Rolex AD and my ability to pay for them. Back in 2023 when I was flush with money they couldn’t procure me a James Cameron Sea-Dweller. Fast forward to this past August when I wasn’t so flush and they were enthusiastically trying to convince me to take one of their hands. I have a feeling the story will be the same when I reach out to inquire about procuring that lovely new Green GMT.

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Amelius Moss's avatar

So Covid came from a lab and Biden put us on the brink of nuclear annihilation. Will they next report Trump won 2020?

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jb's avatar

I'm sure if his third term ambitions start to look probable, they'll use that as a justification of why he still can't run since he's technically won 3 times.

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Speed's avatar

how do i bet money on this exact outcome

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Chuck S's avatar

his third term ambitions can't begin to look probable because the constitution clearly prohibits a third term.

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Ice Age's avatar

I recently became aware of techniques to turn still images (read: illustrations) into animations using AI, which would be a dream come true for me, because I'd LOVE to see my work animated.

But not the way they do it. Robot Art demeans the whole idea of art, and I can't copyright it because I wouldn't be the one making it, the internet would.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Postmodern culture demeaned art well before Robot Art, so I say bring on the AI cartoons! At least they look better than paint splattered canvases.

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Peter Collins's avatar

I have a made up German word for the feeling paint spattered canvases give me - Kunstschmerz! Careful with the pronunciation now...

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CJinSD's avatar

"I’d like to believe that we’d have stopped short of that — that President Biden would think of how he lost his own son before he would command the death of anyone else’s sons — but I have doubts, dear reader, I have doubts."

Biden's son died of brain cancer, not in combat. I know Joe and the media liked to create the impression that Biden's son died fighting for Raytheon's stock price, but he did not.

I suspect the NYT published this story to force Vladmir Putin's hand. I'm sure Putin wanted peace without having to discuss that the previous US regime was conducting war directly on the Russian people. Since President Trump won't bring the US into WWIII, then perhaps the CIA controlled media can goad Russia into lighting the touchpaper and causing hundreds of millions of deaths instead. Maybe the NYT will 'reveal' that we blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline next.

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Gianni's avatar

At this point, Joe is sure his son died during the battle of Basra and was eaten by a cannibal.

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Ataraxis's avatar

I think the NYT released this purely to damage the negotiating positions from the Trump team.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Agreed.

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CJinSD's avatar

Trump is trying to negotiate peace, so there is no way that you can be wrong.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

OT: April Fool’s Day is, as the kids say, cooked. These low-effort posts aren’t even funny.

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Erik's avatar
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I don’t know that Amazon could do a much worse job with Bond then the Broccoli/Wilson team did with the Craig films. The worst Bond ever in the worst films ever. Yes, CR was a strong entry, and likely would have been the best in the series had Brosnan played Bond (of course, he wouldn’t have been a novice Bond, and he wouldn’t have needed some chick he just met to teach him how to dress). After that, we hit the absolute garbage depths of Skyfall, the worst Bond movie ever, and then they became so bereft of ideas, they had to kill Bond, just as he became the modern, sensitive man Hollywood always wanted. JHC! I can’t imagine that Amazon could do any worse. The Moneypenny series sounds more appealing than Craig’s Bond.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Glad to see we are of the same mind. I despise Craig as Dockworker Chav Bond.

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I COME IN PEACE's avatar

For a while, I believed the hype when the Craig-Casino Royal reboot came out. Upon reflection, that film, while well made in general, was a bigger turd than it needed to be.

Then there was some rumblings a couple of years ago about the first woman cast in the lead role, don't know what became of that, but the comparison of beshitted IP's Star Woke and v.007.5 is apt. Let them all die, leave their legacy alone.

In a few years somebody is going to reboot something from the late David Lynch.

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Scott A's avatar

Casino Royal was received well because the previous 3 Bronsan bond films were garbage. And as bad as skyfall was, was it any worse than Christmas Jones bond? I can't even make a good argument one way or the other because they were both completely forgettable.

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Erik's avatar

I’ll still put Skyfall as the worst of them all. Including Die Another Day and the Woody Allen Casino Royale. Bad James Bond movies were usually movies made with good intentions that just didn’t work out. But there is just something different about Skyfall. It’s patronizing, perhaps? It always felt like they were looking down on us and the franchise.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Way too much Judi Dench.

That movie had one good moment in it: the groundskeeper saying

WELCOME TO SCOTLAND

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Erik's avatar

I totally get what you are saying. The filmmakers of both series have a very obvious disdain for both the material and the audience.

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JasonS's avatar

I disagree. I thought it overall was a very good film.

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CLN's avatar

Re: David Lynch…I DUNE know about this…

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I COME IN PEACE's avatar

Totally blanked on that one. I was thinking some half assed redux of Twin Peaks or Eraserhead.

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CLN's avatar

It was an opportunity to get a cheap pun in. 😀

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I COME IN PEACE's avatar

Are you a guy who is wild at heart?

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Ataraxis's avatar

Not after they make Moneypenny a lesbian.

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Scott A's avatar

A lesbian moneypenny would have more chemistry with bond than the last one

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Ataraxis's avatar

Make her bisexual!

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Tristan Weary's avatar

What's the best Bond movie?

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David Florida's avatar

I still say From Russia With Love. Perfect adaptation and a great cast. I’m certain that the Romany cat fight alone would get a screenwriter blacklisted today.

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JT's avatar

At this point, they have all been so forgettable that I can’t remember which is which or what happened. Nor do I care. Which is sad considering how much I looked forward to a new Bond movie when I was younger. I didn’t even bother to watch the last one.

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Erik's avatar

In 1977, I believe, my dad took me at what was likely way too young an age, to see a special presentation of the Spy Who Loved Me. Iirc, after the movie was over, the director and a few other folks involved in making the movie were there to answer questions. I’d never experienced anything remotely like that, and it cemented the Bond movies in my head as a very special thing. (Btw, I was already a Bond fan, as my dad had bought me a battery operated, tin DB5, and I was hooked). I saw every Bond movie after that in the theatre, and enjoyed them all, some more, some less. But the finally broke me with No Time to Die. After more than 4 decades, almost 20 movies, and 5 Bonds, I just couldn’t do it anymore. I couldn’t go and watch them desecrate a character that was so important to me.

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JasonS's avatar

I enjoyed the first twi D.C. bond films. I thought they were solid pieces of cinema. The latter 3 were tiresome.

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Mark Brewer's avatar

Re: The wildest thing, and most frightening facts, you’ll read this year- Possible 007 movie plot?

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Daniel Salahub's avatar

This pearl clutching over fighting a proxy war in Ukraine is baffling to me. This happened time and time again in the Cold War, I don’t see what the big deal is.

This in comparison to the Iraq fiasco is cheap by any measure in terms of furthering foreign policy goals. We gave Eastern Europe security guarantees, what’s the problem with honoring them.

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Henry C.'s avatar

This is peer-peer on Russian soil, not satellite to satellite.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah, that's my feeling too. If Russia targeted American soldiers for death inside this country, there would be a real hue and cry.

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CJinSD's avatar

Or it wouldn't be reported. More Americans are dying now because of the actions of foreign nations than ever before.

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Henry C.'s avatar

I would bet an imported beer that a couple of the recent stars at Langley are from shenanigans in Laos, um, Kursk, um, Donbass, um Crimea.

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Daniel Salahub's avatar

But they can’t, so they don’t.

Again, Russian backed proxies kicked all this off in 2014.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

They can't *why*, exactly?

Because we'd nuke them?

And if that's the case, how dare we claim moral superiority in Ukraine?

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Daniel Salahub's avatar

The moral superiority is that Ukraine has been a country for decades that was then invaded.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Iraq had been a country for much longer. I'm not arguing for the righteousness of Russia's actions. I'm arguing that the united states should pursue a policy that is both ethical (violated in Iraq) and devoted to preserving the greater global peace (which we violated when we waged war against Russia.)

I'm also noting that we seem awfully comfortable both threatening and risking nuclear confrontation.

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gt's avatar

“ Russian backed proxies kicked all this off in 2014.”

Now, what would you call the Maidan protests of 2013 with Victoria Nuland and McCain on the ground?

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Ataraxis's avatar

A war in two acts:

Man pokes bear with a stick.

Bear eats stick man.

The End

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ex101st's avatar

Which is exactly why you don't ever want U.S. soldiers as "peacekeepers" in Ukraine. Change the word peacekeeper to target or pretext for starting a war between the U.S. and Russia.

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Ataraxis's avatar

That was the neocon and warmonger left’s goal.

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Adam's avatar

It’s almost like we forgot Russians were proxy killing Americans in Vietnam, and we were proxy killing Russians in Afghanistan, and then they were proxy killing Americans in Afghanistan…

Oh, and that’s getting beyond the entire North Korean Air Force being composed of Russians during that war, which everyone involved decided it would be best to never notice.

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Gianni's avatar

Little different. This is more like Russians in Cuba launching ordnance into Florida.

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Adam's avatar

Oh man you’re never gonna believe this, that’s what they almost did this one time

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Henry C.'s avatar

Something something Jupiter missiles in Turkey.

I don't recall ever seeing the Afghan leaders plastered over Time magazine or speaking in Congress or Afghan flags freakin' everywhere.

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Daniel Salahub's avatar

Yes but we’re the premier power now and Russia is a second rate regional only power, so yes there is a double standard.

ALSO THEY DID THE INVASION AND STARTED ALL OF THIS. Why the sympathy?

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Henry C.'s avatar

[chomps down hard on obvious troll bait]

USAID/CIA/DOS astroturfed the Maiden Revolution to put a NATO puppet in power. They are quite open about this. Ukrainian nationalists proceeded to immediately shell ethnic Russians civilians in the Donbass, with our materiel. At every attempt at a settlement, the US/NATO/EU reneged and then (and still) laughed about it.

I don't think the US is a premier power now. We were from the late eighties to the nineties. The Cold War, Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact are dead and buried thirty years, the missteps that created them nearly a century longer still.

The current US is mostly morally if not fiscally bankrupt....closer to 'The Great Satan' now than when the term was first coined.

It isn't sympathy but self preservation and a desire to end worldwide meddling and proxy wars in principle. These fools got a lot of people killed and most of a country destroyed. It didn't have to go this way.

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Matthew Horgan's avatar

Becasue the neocon fantasy of democracy flowering in the rubble turned into full parking lots at the VA and maimed kids, so many of us grew tired of American adventurism…so we wont countenance the latest incarnation of the War Pigs who sold direct conflict with Russians as feel good American democratic Saviorism to plant on the lawn next to the Biden/Harris and In This House signs

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Couldn't agree more with this.

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Gianni's avatar

Regional power with a formidable nuclear arsenal and delivery systems. Hence the first time ever use of a MIRV a while ago. I have sympathy for Ukraine, but not up to the point of finding out how realistic The Day After was.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Our conflict was with the USSR and the Comintern, not the people of Russia. When the system collapsed, so too should have our animosity.

Mr. Putin has never banged his shoe at the UN and indicated his desire to bury us.

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Sir Morris Leyland's avatar

Exactly!

I've read that the shoe-banging incident was a response to being advised that "Americans respond to loud, boisterous speeches." Kind of like the idea that "Mexicans would never buy a Nova because no-va means no-go," despite the fact that Nova sold very well throughout Latin America, including in Mexico where owners often filled up at a major gas station chain also named Nova."

I understand the Marshall Plan because Americans have ethnic ties to Europe and Germany itself, and because the harshly punitive nature of Versailles arguably led to WWII. But we were also very nice (according to Bob Lutz, perhaps ~excessively nice~, to the detriment of our own domestic OEMs) to Japan, despite how their soldiers desecrated American corpses, etc. (I'm not objecting to our kindness towards Japan, just stating that it could have easily gone the other way).

But the Soviets were, although scary, not particularly inhumane, so it's weird that our relationship with Russia is almost worse than it was during the cold war. I suspect that Sailer's "WW G" theory may have something to do with it, as well as the fact that the Western Left views Russians as traitors to the Communist cause.

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CJinSD's avatar

Our relationship with the USSR was never so bad because the worst actors in the US government saw them as comrades. Their modern counterparts hate Russia today, because Russia is a symbol of the failure of totalitarianism, of restored Christianity, and of the beauty possible when you aren't trying to eradicate your white native population. They are everything that globalists hate, and globalists still control the mainstream message in the USA.

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Luke Holmes's avatar

No, he just told the Houthi rebels where the American ships were so they could do it for him.

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ZG's avatar

Were the Cold war proxy wars a good thing?

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Mozzie's avatar

I suppose Land-Dweller is fitting to those who call themselves Food-Eaters.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

It makes me think of the Apatosaurus.

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Henry C.'s avatar

It is frightening how close we came to the brink. The Russians have known of our involvement from the start and it would have been trivial to retaliate. For all the tarring of Putin as 'Hitler', he is probably the most dovish of their leadership. The Eurofags are still in the FAFO game and Trump has no influence over them anymore. There are rumors that Ukraine would salt the earth by destroying their reactors on purpose.

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