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MotoGP was in Misano this last weekend where, to everyone's dismay, Marc Marquez qualifying disasters continue! He would start from fourth on the grid with his brother Alex in third, Quartararo from second, and hometown(ish) hero Bez on pole!

In the sprint Marc immediately gained places and began harassing Bez. He got around him at about half race distance and then attempted to break away and shatter Bez's hopes winning. Instead, Marc overcooked a turn and lost the front shortly after in a crash which saw him skitter across the gravel trap face first and gently bump against rhe airbag wall. Bez then took an easy victory with Alex Marquez second, and Digiantonnio rising from 7th to secure the final podium spot.

The race proper was a titanic effort from Bez, who Marc once again passed, as he managed to keep the Spaniard within one second, and usually much closer with a half second gap at the end. Ultimately Marc rode to perfection without pushing too hard this time. The next closest competitor was Alex Marquez who finished over 8s down from Marc.

Bez' recent run puts Bagnaia, who crashed out of the race, in trouble for third in the championship. Alex was unable to pack on enough points to lock Marc out of a chance to win the season in Japan next week.

Somkiat Chantra picked up a point in the race by virtue of 7 people in front of him crashing out.

Yamaha did debut their V4 and raced it, though this is largely a data gathering exercise at this time.

KTM was cursed with three chain failures over the weekend.

MotoAmerica at COTA

Cameron Beaubier, Josh Herrin, and Fong continue to duke it out up front. Beaubier had a near Marquez worthy front end save with a long slide before the bike gripped and stood back up in race 2. Gagne is looking a little racey again, as well.

Herrin eked out a win in race 1 with Beaubier and Fong within one second. Unfortunately for him the ride on a broken fib with a big bruise meant the second day was tougher to perform, especially when he used the injured leg to prevent a crash.

Beaubier took the win in race 2 and held off Fong to reduce the latter's points lead by half. Herrin faded quickly this race to finish third and 15 seconds behind the race lead with riders close behind, but unable to put a move on him.

In the ONLY RACING OF ANY KIND THAT IS FOR MEN, King of the Baggers, Kyle Wyman wrapped up the championship in race 1. A lot of this is due to HD factory's relative lack of mechanical failure and Kyle's race consistency. Gillum, however, won the actual race 1. Loris Baz took second, and Rocco Landers came on in a big way to muscle up to third.

In Race 2 Rocco had part of his exhaust fall off and retired. Wyman crashed out and he was upset, but still won the season. Herfoss bounced back to win, with Loris in second again. Then Bradley Smith's HD way behind in third.

Of note is Herfoss was dinged with a technical violation in the prior round with an epoxy filled swing arm that the crew attempted to claim was ballast! Ah, race teams.

MotoGP's championship may complete in Motegi next week.

MotoAmerica's is going down to the wire with a tight spread between the top threeand three races to go.

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linearphase's avatar

That KTM chain problem was weird. Their racing director says the chains are fine, instead swingarm flexing and shifting while on the Misano big curbs caused the chain to jump the sprocket.

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S2kChris's avatar

This still an open thread? Wife and I are headed to Napa next weekend, and spending the night in SF beforehand. I’ve never been, she has. What’s the best way to kill an afternoon and have a decent but not outrageous dinner? We’re spending the night near Fisherman’s Wharf. I figure I have to do drugs, step in human shit, and blow a dude to get the full experience, but aside from that, how to spend about 8 hours?

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Steve Ward's avatar

Monterey is a long day trip, very depending on the day and traffic, from SF.

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silentsod's avatar

Hence the redaction!

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Steve Ward's avatar

Ride the cable cars.

Walk around Chinatown.

Walk/bike around Presidio park.

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Steve Ward's avatar

Last time we were there, couple of years ago, we had lunch at the Boudin Bakery at Fisherman's Wharf. They have a bistro type restaurant. Food was quite good. Not the usual tourist trap fare.

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sightline's avatar

Second the cable cars if you've never done it before. From where you are I would walk to Ghirardelli square and then take the line downtown and back.

Go to Crissy Field / The Presidio and eat at Popi's oysterette afterwards

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Marin headlands is just across the GG bridge if you want to do nature/trail stuff (very scenic). I couldn't really recommend any city stuff as last time I was there it was all homeless poo and pee rivers down around Market near all the stores (I think most of them are shuttered now). Chinatown is okayish for 15-30 min. MOMA might be an option. GG park maybe. Just have good situational awareness. It's still a pretty good city to visit.

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I had an outstanding dinner with a large group not long ago at Harborview, a Chinese restaurant in the Embarcadero Center. SF generally has the best Chinese food in the United States and you should sample it.

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-Nate's avatar

40 + years ago I last visited S.F., it's always been an edgy city but I like it anyway .

IIRC I was told to try The "Cathay House" (SP ?) in China town and indeed it was great .

I remember being able to simply step on a cable car as it clattered past, now there's a line of 100 tourists waiting so I'll never get to ride them again .

-Nate

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Colin's avatar

My wife(half japanese) is super into asain food, we've been to this place a few times, it's really good. https://maps.app.goo.gl/d1bBdvJReU32sntJ6. It's a couple blocks down from Haight Ashbury if you wanna walk that after and get a contact high. I don't really spend a lot of time in the City, it pissed me off during Covid and I haven't really been back.

This place is pretty famous, I've not been but I've heard that it's good: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bK3NCAf1LpnX7UsV7

We drive through Napa often on the way to St. Helena, I'd recommend that. The Station for coffee is good, also the bakery on the west side of the street is good, as is The Goose and Gander, The Charter Oak and Charlie's Napa Valley.

The art galleries in St Helena are also good, as are most of the wineries. I'm getting tired of typing but if you have more: hateohatetoo 8wonateslebinohhsexxy.

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Rick J's avatar

Ferry over to Sausalito and try Scoma's. It was good last time I was there.

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Adam 12's avatar

There also used to be a penny arcade on or along the waterfront with older games and classic arcade games. Wife and I had to see who was still better at Pac Man like back in the day. Was a fun rainy day. The other suggestions here are solid.

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Avoid some of the neighborhoods people are referring to and head to some of the more clean and pleasant neighborhoods like Noe Valley, Alamo Square, Hayes Valley, Marina, Inner Richmond, etc. All are quieter and pleasant with great restaurants, architecture, parks, etc.

Go to the top of Coit tower and take in the bay. Walk along the bay at the Embarcadero or near golden gate beach under the bridge. Watch sunset from the Marin Headlands. go to Muir Woods and walk among the Redwoods. Have dinner in Tiburon or Sausalito looking back at the city. Ride the cable cars standing off the side, but just don’t go all the way to Powell. Union Square has always kinda sucked. If you want a bit of grit, go to the more pleasant type of grit you’ll find in the Haight or Mission District.

Yes, SF has all the bad things everyone knows about, but it is also one of the most beautiful cities on earth. It is far better than people expect if you don’t spend all your time in the worst places with the worst behavior that get all the headlines, just like any other city.

Fisherman’s Wharf kinda sucks outside of eating seafood. Very tourist trappy.

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Talked with my wife a little bit more, I think our tentative plan is to rent some bikes, ride across the GG up to Sausalito, walk around the houseboat area and maybe gape at some yachts, and then ferry back.

Happy to here why this is a good/terrible idea or any tips and tricks, but I think it’s what we’ll probably do ish.

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The only terrible idea is going to San Francisco. The rest would make for a great day anywhere else with water, bikes and a ferry. I spent a few great days doing the same thing in San Diego, where I would ride down the east side of the bay, ride up Coronado, and then take the ferry back to downtown. There were great places to eat along the way, and every woman who ever went with me had a fine time. San Diego was not famous for human feces, zombies, and violent crime while I was there, although homelessness was getting far too prevalent for my tastes.

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0) Jack, congrats on not hitting anything when that tire let go.

1) As my grandfather would've said, "I ain't payin' no FIVE HUNNERD DOLLARS for a damn pair o' jeans, even if they are made in the you-ess-ay," but I did buy a Hank's Belt and it's great. Thanks for the recommendation.

2) Open thread, right? Anybody have thoughts on the Moto Guzzi V7 850?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

' Anybody have thoughts on the Moto Guzzi V7 850?'

I think we have a recent purchaser of exactly that! Jim, chime in as you have time.

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Speed's avatar

"Anybody have thoughts on the Moto Guzzi V7 850?"

they put the engine in sideways

neat

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Chuck S's avatar

it's not mounted sideways. it's actually a bent BMW engine

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Speed's avatar

see i figured it was either that or an opened up harley v twin

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Andrew White's avatar

It’s a bmw with perky boobs

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Chuck S's avatar

this made me laugh out loud. well played good sir

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Adam 12's avatar

It’s nice to see other 12 year olds in the comments.

Well done.

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bluebarchetta's avatar

I like how a Guzzi rocks when you rev it up. Crank rotates one way, bike rotates the other way.

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Colin's avatar

I haven't had one, but I've long thought they are pretty cool. Sort of an Italian Harley. I'd call this guy and ask if he has any he wants to sell. He always has a few: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9tx2r3bNVdWYoJU19

Pretty sure he's one of "the experts"

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I keep coming back to the Guzzi, the Harley Sportster (Evo, not Rev Max), and the good old Honda Magna, which is a great bike, but I'm too lazy to clean and sync four carbs in 2025.

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If you don’t have a real live for Americana, I’d give the guzzi a go. You’ll be into it for 3500-5500, and it’ll be a really nice bike. Same weight and power as Harley, similar seating position too if you want, easy to get parts, and you won’t be getting into bro-offs with rando fatherless cunts on the highway, and meth-heads aren’t going to steal it while you’re eating your $100 hamburger on a Saturday afternoon. At least go test drive one. The Harley game is so fucked it like a combination of the Porsche game and the dodge LX game. Lots of theft and parts swapping, lots of bottom feeders, and then you have your knob-shlobbing, special edition, dealer markup you want HOW MuCH For a motorcycle???

My brother had a sportster 850 that he bought new in maybe 2014 and I rode it a little. It was fun in a muscle car sorta way, but it ran out of rpm and power really fast, so you had to shift a lot. It was a comfort cruiser. I doubt I’ll ever own one. Most of my appreciation for motorcycles is as art pieces, there are some really exceptional builders out there.

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Frank White's avatar

I have a lot of experience with Moto Guzzis from Eldorados and Ambassadors through the 2015 Stelvio 1200 (last one I bought). I'm currently not a motorcycle owner, but wouldn't rule it our if the right one pops up.

Guzzis aren't super fast, but they make good torque and are very engaging to ride. They tend to handle very competently. They also will run indefinitely with proper care. Between me, my Brother, my Dad (passed) and Dad's third wife (passed) we had easily put 250k on four bikes.

A retired aircraft engineer from Wichita who is a family friend is well over 500k on Guzzis all over the world. One bike got to about 160k when he finally concluded he wanted a new one and gave it to his mechanic. I've not spoken to him for several years, but his travel blog is still up and is worth a look.

https://dankalal.net/

I've spent so many miles on a Guzzi and have so many good experiences to have a strong bias towards the brand. They are Italian and have some quirks. Once you take care of the few serial defects from the factory though, there's just nothing quite like a Moto Guzzi.

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Good to hear the mechanicals are durable. And I like the idea of not having to clean a chain. But as a shadetree mechanic, my Achilles heel is electrical problems. How are Guzzis from an electrical standpoint?

We do have a Guzzi shop here in Columbus (Throttle Company). I suppose if it conked out electrically, I could trailer it down there, lube myself up, and say "Be gentle with me."

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Frank White's avatar

I've not had any problems apart from the occasional chafed wire / ground to frame condition that can be such a treat to find. Any bike does that.

New ones are just like any modern vehicle, so more computer troubleshooting than power probe troubleshooting.

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Scott A's avatar

I have heard they are almost as nice as the 2013triumph street triple

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silentsod's avatar

Lol

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Andrew White's avatar

I have a v85tt with the 850 engine. It’s about as close as you get to a muscle car on two wheels.

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Chuck S's avatar

Yamaha V-Max has entered the chat...

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Andrew White's avatar

Let me be more clear: The v85 or v7 with the 850 sounds great, looks cool, and is easy to maintain. But it's not as fast as it sounds like it might be. That's the muscle car part.

The v-max is just a bike built on a dare, rather like the Rune and the Kawi Drifter.

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Chuck S's avatar

Also, Italian muscle bike > Japanese muscle bike, just for the styling

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Andrew White's avatar

Word up. The grand tradition of Il Monstro and Griso are much better than Nighthawks and Midnight Specials.

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Nplus1's avatar

Cool looking bikes. They are practical (easy maintenance and large fuel tank). Not fast. Best bought used because they don't hold value well.

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silentsod's avatar

Sellers are constantly pricing used V7s delusionally high where I live.

Maybe that's finally ending with prices down generally.

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S2kChris's avatar

I have a pic of a white V7 street parked in Paris that I stumbled upon and I’ve always thought of it as an evocative picture. Looks good and the right setting for that bike.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I can't say if they would. All I can say is that my experience with them has been OVERWHELMINGLY positive.

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Andrew White's avatar

I have them on my vw sportwagen diesel. They grip well but don't seem to last significantly longer than others. But I drive in the mountains, so lots of slalom and not much boring droning, which eats tires. So, IDK.

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Sam's avatar

I have my Mom run these on her Mazda3 that she drives year round in Upstate NY, they are a good tire, but seem to be a bit nosier than other options we have used in the past.

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Hex168's avatar

Second on the Quatracs.

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Sobro's avatar

Third on the Vredesteins. They are my winter tires for my Focus ST which has Michelin Pilot Sport 4s during the summer.

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Hex168's avatar

More detail: I use them year round on my W212. Since I live on a dirt (read "mud") road in Vermont (read "snowy and icy place") that says a lot. I avoid Blizzaks and the like because I find them too squirmy on the highway.

In my fairly severe circumstances, I toss them when the tread is half worn to retain snow performance. A side benefit to that approach is the ride quality degrades past that wear point, anyway.

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$200 installed? Or per tire and you can worry about installation when paying? If the latter, I like the Continental Extremecontact DSW06 I put on my CX-9, $191 per at my locally-owned tire shop. Whisper quiet at highway speed, especially compared to the obnoxious Falkens it came with. Handling seems excellent. I run Blizzaks in the winter so I don't know about snow traction for them.

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That is too bad. I'm glad someone else here knows how to save you a bit of money on them though, with the General Gmax!

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Ataraxis's avatar

Check out the Michelin Cross Climate. Not sure of the price but they get great reviews for their wet performance.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Check out some YouTube reviews, too. They’re very impressive. A family member has them on their E350 for crappy Chicago weather.

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Speed's avatar

those have a really wild tread pattern and i dig it

shame i cant buy nearly any michelin tires for the miata

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Ataraxis's avatar

A family member has them for their snow performance and really likes them. I did some research on them and was impressed.

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MD Streeter's avatar

My dad loves the Cross Climate 2s he put on his Forester. Says the snow traction is amazing.

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sgeffe's avatar

CC2s FTW!

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Jeff R's avatar

My MIL put these on her RAV4 on my recommendation and loves them. Her sister rode in her car and bought them for her RAV4 also. I put them on my CX-5 after a sketchy drive to Montreal on the factory Toyos that were nearing EOL anyway. They've been good so far, but haven't been through a winter yet.

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JPDFR's avatar

That’s what I ran on my Lexus NX for years, great set of tires.

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silentsod's avatar

Snow traction is ok-not-great while the S still exists (significant tread depth). I am currently running them on my Mazda3.

I am using X-Ice 3s instead of WS80s that I had for several seasons because I needed boring cold weather performance over serious snow tires after moving back inside city limits and we don't get that much snow where I live.

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Henry C.'s avatar

These, or the General Gmax AS-07 which are a notch below them. General is the downmarket brand of Conti.

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Nplus1's avatar

I keep buying Contis when they have $200+ rebates so they nearly end up being the cheapest possible option.

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JasonS's avatar

This is what I run on my 2018 Mazda 6. As I posted earlier, we run Altimax's on our CX5. I like the Altimax's overall better. Quieter and better wet traction HO.

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Hex168's avatar

This may be obsolete information, but I found Contis to have weak sidewalls that are unusually vulnerable to potholes. YMMV.

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Ataraxis's avatar

I had OEM Conti run flats on my 2007 BMW wagon and they sucked. They were horrible on bad pavement and were harsh on potholes.

Switched to Bridgestone Driveguards only because I had limited choices for run flats, and they are fantastic. The difference is night and day. They don’t crash over bumps or potholes and the car handles better.

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Henry C.'s avatar

The OE models of Contis, or of most brands, are often subpar compared to their others.

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JasonS's avatar

I know nothing of tires. I ended up putting General Altimax's on our SUV last year and General Gmax on my Mazda 6 and couldn't be happier. The Altimax's are superior in the rain, Gmax are better on dry. I was going to put Conti Extreme Contacts on but they were 30 bucks more a tire.

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Looking at tirerack, there are over 100 options. I'd lean toward Pirelli P4s. They'll last forever and be good in bad weather. I had them on a Cruze. If you want more performance, Continental DWS06.

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I had the Vredstein Hypertrac on my former Accord and currently have a set on my wife's ILX. They are very good in the rain, and are the quietest UHP All Season I have run, and that is saying something on Honda products. If we keep the ILX long enough to need another set I'll probably go with the Grand Touring version Jack recommended, the Quatrac Pro, since the wife doesn't need the "performance" benefit of the UHPAS.

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Josh Howard's avatar

I often run older tires especially when I've swapped wheels and tires on the Z over the years during testing. A blowout like that at pretty much any speed is absolute nightmare fuel for me. I'm guessing the Neon held up to the incident without much fuss?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Yeah, it was fine, and I'm semi-used to stuff like this happening.

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sgeffe's avatar

Does the Neon still have the stock IP and dash minus the airbags (with a different steering wheel, of course)? Or do you have some sort of aftermarket setup from a vendor of Neon racing parts?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Stock IP zip-tied to a rollcage crossmember. No dash or center console.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

The key to getting good at driving on shitty worn out tires that could unexpectedly blow out at any time is to only buy shitty worn out tires.

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Josh Howard's avatar

As a reformed, long suffering Altima driver.... I agree.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

One of the great things about the Japanese near luxury brands is that the owners really correspond with the parent companies. I see Infinitis weaving through traffic with mismatched aftermarket rims and fart cans all the time.

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The other day here in Spokompton, WA I saw a G35 with a Texas plate with roached clear coat, surface rusty front fenders that were still in the black primer that was applied in the Chinese factory and no front bumper/facia, just headlights and exposed radiator.

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sgeffe's avatar

That could unexpectedly blow out at any time! 😁

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Sam's avatar
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I splurged on a pair of Raleigh Denim dead stock White Oak Cone Mill jeans a few months ago. Until I got them out of the impressive packaging, I had serious doubts about having spent that much on a pair of jeans, but the fact they were going to be some of the last jeans made with real White Oak denim sucked me in.

Let me tell you they are impressive in their materials, build quality and attention to detail that made me mad because I really wanted to find something to keep me from wanting to buy more pairs of expensive denim. Once I saw their drop about the locally sourced cotton I knew I'd be buying another pair.

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Scott A's avatar

I should buy some because there is no quicker path to me losing* 20 lbs than buying jeans that would fit me right now

*gaining

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Sam's avatar

When I put them on for the first time and knew they fit, I thought to myself, as long as I don't get fat again I should have these for long enough to justify the price.

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silentsod's avatar

If only there was an all American made elastic band kilt! I'd never worry about my fat ass and pants fitting again.

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Sam's avatar

Sounds like a business opportunity, you should hit up Sherman to line up investors for seed money.

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Ataraxis's avatar

The Sansabelt slacks with the 2 1/2 inch waistband are calling your name. https://www.sansabeltworld.com/contents/en-us/d88_NEW_SANSABELT_.html

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Scott A's avatar

DO NOT BUY THESE. You don't realize you got fat till you got way too fat.

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Ataraxis's avatar

They were good enough for 1960s Dads!

Of course those guys didn’t polish off a family size bag of Doritos as an appetizer.

We need Sansabelts now more than ever!

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Chuck S's avatar

this made me laugh out loud, which I needed today. thank you

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Acd's avatar

Good thing that we didn’t have cable news back then, we’d have days of panels arguing over whether this was unpresidential or not.

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Hex168's avatar

Probably unlike everyone here, I like pleated trousers in a washable wool blend. Those might do. Do they have belt loops?

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Ataraxis's avatar

Sans…a…belt. The elastic waistband does it all!

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Louis Nevell's avatar

You are a very funny guy!! Oh what does a Scotsman have under his kilt? Awang, awang (sound of bag pipes).

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Chuck S's avatar

the joke I've heard is

"What do I wear under my kilt, laddie? Why, your wife's lipstick."

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Speed's avatar

"my wife is dead"

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Scott A's avatar

More realistically, I'd hit some gravel on the bike and wreck $500 jeans. I haven't fallen in 12 years, I'm due.

Anyone have motorcycle pants recommendations that can pass as work pants?

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silentsod's avatar

Some of the jeans are passable, otherwise pack separate pants or keep some in your office.

Just store $2000 worth of jeans in your desk and problem solved. That's anywhere from 4 to 50 pairs!

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Scott A's avatar

I have a pair of motorcycle jeans that haven't fit since I've had kids. I only ever wore them on the highway. Kevlar is not a comfortable fabric. I have been diligent about my helmet but not so much the rest of the gear.

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silentsod's avatar

Minimum is ear plugs, jacket, boots, and gloves.

I am lazy about pants, though.

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I have a couple pairs of Cortech kevlar lined pants that look like Dockers/khaki/dad/going to court pants. They kinda suck in warm weather, they also have pockets for knee & hip armor. They look pretty nice.

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Andrew White's avatar

A onesie by one of the better makers is a great option. I have an Olympia model I bought off a guy on ADVrider secondhand and it's fantastic. The zipper goes from the throat to the right leg, so you can step into and out of it, it has vents that can be opened on the bike, and it comes with decent CE armor. I know RyanF9 says armor is stupid, but it makes me feel better as I'm more frangible than I used to be.

The one piece lets you leave the jacket at home and it folds up to about the size of a jacket. Downside is when you get caught in the rain it forms a lake in the crotch. Can't have it all unless you want to pay aerostitch money (purposely lower cased because I'm a h8r sk8r).

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Scott A's avatar

You use it for everyday riding? I cant imagine wearing it to dinner and carrying it around.

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Andrew White's avatar

Tail trunk. Stow it on the bike along with the helmet. Walk around like a normie.

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Ice Age's avatar

Here's an amusing anecdote I heard at work today.

As a cost-cutting measure, the company removed the water coolers from offices that have water fountains.

Noticing this, a woman I work with emailed THE COMPANY PRESIDENT demanding to know where it had gone.

By the way, we have like 50,000 employees.

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Scott A's avatar

If you want to get someone attention, email their boss.

49,999

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Ataraxis's avatar

“I’m not gonna be IGNORED….! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM

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CJinSD's avatar

"This is not political discourse. It’s not worthy of us or of this country. And it gets us nowhere fast."

This isn't the high-water mark of your sense of proportion.

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silentsod's avatar

I agree that fictional mapping-thinking is ruining a lot of people's ability to operate and think about real life.

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Ken's avatar
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I was just about to quote the same line.

Our inability to "think" is astounding. If you can't explain why, you believe what you believe, you shouldn't believe in it.

And if your beliefs are too fragile to be challenged by opposing rationale you shouldn't engage in political discourse.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Fascist! Just kidding…….

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Ataraxis's avatar

Public shaming and ostracization is a necessary civic virtue.

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Colin's avatar

I was going to comment on that too. I think statements like that are dumb, and agree that they don't help much. Re: Facts don't care about your feelings" True, but not making any friends.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I was specifically referring to the act of putting a sticker on a car that seems to take joy in the mere act of being contrary and/or difficult. That's ridiculous and it does nothing for anyone except raise the temperature of the discourse.

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Colin's avatar

It's just virtue signaling. "Wokes are dumb! and I ain't that!"

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Scott A's avatar

Its almost as gay As putting a 6mt sticker on your porsche

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Let's be honest.

Being gay isnt as gay as THAT.

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Scott A's avatar

“I am gay”

“You put 6mt stickers on your porsche?”

“no. I am attracted to other men”

“Oh, Thank god”

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dejal's avatar

Dude, Coexist!!!!!! Do it on your own or you will be forced to.

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Henry C.'s avatar

DAMMIT CALVING IS PISSING ON A FORD LOGO AGAIN

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Speed's avatar

"So I dragged the Neon out for this past weekend’s race at Nelson Ledges."

from the video nelson ledges looks pretty cool and id want to race there. also are those konis with a ground control coilover kit? i was considering a set for the miata but wasnt sure if they would be worth it compared to xidas with regards to the cost difference. the konis are at least a known quantity at this point

"The important thing is that her pace is now equal to that of the 20-year veterans in SRF2"

hot damn. how did she get that fast that quick? you must be a really good teacher

"It’s clearly quicker than our USA-market car, probably because it is a few hundred pounds lighter"

absolutely nuts. guess thats the one to go for if you can get the parts that made it light. or the italians are lying about curb weight but theyve never done that before

"The Handmaid’s Tale is a fetish book masquerading as feminist literature"

so its feminist literature

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bluebarchetta's avatar

If a woman is dressed as a Heinz ketchup bottle, you can safely disregard anything she has to say. (Unless she's selling hotdogs or hamburgers at a sporting event.)

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Louis Nevell's avatar

Did I ever tell you about the time my buddy and I, on bicycles, encountered the Red Bullmobile at a traffic light? The Bullmobile was crewed by two very attractive young ladies. We each received a "Bull" before the light changed.

In college I knew a guy who drove the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile around town (Los Angeles). Imagine even getting paid to do that!!!

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Gianni's avatar

Oscar Mayer Hotdogger. It’s a 1 year gig that only pays around 35k:

https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/oscar-mayer-is-hiring-wienermobile-drivers-how-to-apply/484494

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sgeffe's avatar

I’m sure some would relish the opportunity!

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Gianni's avatar

Just being frank, only 1% of applicants can cut the mustard.

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sgeffe's avatar

I couldn’t think of any of those when I wrote that first comment!

I’ll try to get my buns out of that and ketchup now!

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sgeffe's avatar

One percent?! It’s gotta be more!

I never sausage a thing!

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Ataraxis's avatar

Outside of Louisville on the Interstate I once saw the Weinermoble and the Planter’s Peanuts Peanutmobile within minutes of each other.

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Adam 12's avatar

That’s just nuts dude!

:-)

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Rick J's avatar

Or footracing on a BB diamond

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Jack Baruth's avatar

' also are those konis with a ground control coilover kit? i was considering a set for the miata but wasnt sure if they would be worth it compared to xidas with regards to the cost difference. the konis are at least a known quantity at this point'

Yeah. Mine are going on 15 years with no issues.

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Speed's avatar

15 years is nuts

will be keeping those in mind then because used konis pop up now and again

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gt's avatar

RE: discounts on Z06 C8s

A local aquaintance of mine bought one, I asked him how he liked it. His giddy response was that it was the *only Z06 C8* at the local cars and coffee event and that a bunch of people were checking it out. No mention of how it actually drives or anything else. He looks about how you'd expect him to based on that anecdote lol

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Ice Age's avatar

The longer the C8 is with us, the more I'm convinced the C5 is the high-water mark of Corvette styling.

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Dan's avatar

C6

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S2kChris's avatar

I like the C8. But then I think about how I’d probably like a C7 and it’s more usable. But if you’re going to do a C7, why not just a C6 Z06? And the C6Z is really cool, but you know what’s even cooler and cheaper? A C5 Z06.

I really want a C5 Z06.

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Speed's avatar

the biggest thing holding me back from a c5z06 is the roof. i very much prefer the sloped roofline of the non z06 cars even though its likely heavier and not as stiff as the coupe

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S2kChris's avatar

I like the notchback FRC. One, I think it looks cool, and two, I like that it’s a little special and different than the basic C5 targa shape.

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

If you do look at one, look at the seam closely where the halo and roof are bonded together. Over time, the glue expands and raises the paint. Not enough to crack the paint, but it isn’t flat. The only way to repair it, AFAIK, is sand all of it out and respray.

This will also happen on the outer edges of the trunk lid where the inner and outer halves are bonded together.

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Dan's avatar

Former C5Z owner here

It'll tell you a lot about yourself as a car guy.

I wish id bought an E39 M5 and an NB Miata in lieu of the z

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Scott's avatar

All the “C5s are great “ commenters haven’t lived with one (and neither have I). There are not a lot of kind things said about build quality for C6 and previous generations.

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Dan's avatar

The build quality honestly wasnt bad. Light years ahead of my cursed gmt800

The issue was

I had a somewhat modified E36 at the time which was infinitely more fun to drive, way higher handling limits and much more controllable.

At that point, the C5Z became a straight line machine that was unpleasant on long trips. My XJ puts down similar 1/4 mile times and will give me a massage while doing it.

For off track use one would be better served with either a Miata, XKR, M6, etc

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Scott A's avatar

My dad dailyed his for awhile. Never had any problems with it and the transmission felt like it could take a beating. The interior was bleak. I wish he kept it

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silentsod's avatar

Anecdataly on one of the first 100 C6s built: they were built fine but an upscale interior experience they were not.

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S2kChris's avatar

I look at (hopefully eventual) C5Z ownership differently than I look at my S2000 ownership. The S2k is a keeper for me. The C5Z is likely something I’d buy, keep for a few years, do a few bucket list things (Rt 66, Bourbon Trail/Corvette museum) and then sell on to try the next thing. I’m sure you could be in and out of a C5Z for basically $0-2500, and I’d be fine with that. Every enthusiast should own a Corvette and a V8 at least once and I’ve had neither.

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Dan's avatar

You're looking for a grand tourer for those bucket list items

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Ataraxis's avatar

C6 design is peak modern Corvette, and I say this as a C7 owner.

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Louis Nevell's avatar

Also, gotta love the excitement and suspense of waiting to see if your "Vette" explodes into flames when buying gasoline!!

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Ataraxis's avatar

That’s only a C8 problem.

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Scott A's avatar

C3 is close. Design only. In terms of actual ownership, give me yellow c6 all day.

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Ataraxis's avatar

C2 and C3 are the best overall designs, with the C6 as best modern Corvette. I have a C2 and it’s a work of art. There is not one bad line on the whole car. C3 is the same.

It’s a great credit to the designers that the C2 and C3, though very different designs, both look like Corvettes. The C3 is a fantastic evolution of the C2 design language.

Further, these same designers were then able to masterfully translate this design language into the mid-engine Aerovette, one of the most beautiful cars ever made. https://news.gm.com/home.detail.html/Pages/topic/us/en/2025/aug/0818-Retro-Rides-1976-Chevy-Aerovette-GMs-experiments-rotary-engines.html

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Scott A's avatar

We had a client come in today with an early 2000s transam Ws6. What a cool car.

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Ice Age's avatar

The Batmobile.

The LT1 cars have aged better.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I agree. And I only flip flopped on this a few years ago.

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Ice Age's avatar

Still want a black '94. With an LS swap.

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Andy's avatar

Black 'n gold '76 with the screaming eagle. I'm still pissed that the senior rich boy in my school got one.

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gt's avatar

93-97 Camaro has criminally underrated lines IMO. This was the *future* in a Sid Mead sense. The most raked windshield in GM's history before or since. I ended up buying a stick shift 2nd gen Xterra but a Z28 93-07 Camaro with a 6spd is still on the bucket list.

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Ken's avatar

I miss do my X. 2010, bought in 2010. Nissan was doing 5k cash off the hood - if you recall gas was high (relative anyway) - so I bought the base 4WD X model, for under 20k - it was cheaper to buy new than even a 1 year used one.

When the tag line was: "Everything you need and nothing you don't." They really meant it. Cloth seats, side mirrors that weren't even power, ye old 5 speed, big ole 4.0L V6 - man I miss that thing. I bought it because it was cheap, but it wormed its way into my heart. (However, the family never enjoyed the rougher ride and poor NVH that a BOF SUV is.) It also started to feel small (as the primary family hauler) - not with car seats! - but when kid's sports started.

Got 14 years from it, and 180k miles. I kept saying I would sell it when it died... but IT WOULD NOT DIE. Thing was a cockroach. I sold it to a good friend's son who turned 16. Was one of the cooler cars in the lot and scored him a few intro convos that led to some teenage shenanigans.

Never gave me much problems, just watch out for SMOD (change out the rad and you're fine) as well as the CPS (crank position sensor) and the cam sensors.

Other than that - it should never leave ya stranded.

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gt's avatar

Mines got the stick shift so no SMOD issues (my old 3rd gen 4Runners were known for the same thing)

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Steve Ward's avatar

the interiors were awful GM plastic.

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AJS's avatar

A guy just moved in down the street with a 30th Anniversary Camaro - the White one with Hugger Orange stripes and the ZR-1 wheels. It also led me to this conclusion, after years of thinking the LS1 cars were better looking. I haven't had a chance to go talk to him about it, but about 100 of those cars got factory GS-spec LT4s and Houndstooth interiors. If he beats the odds and owns one of those, I'm supremely jealous!

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Louis Nevell's avatar

I followed a guy home from the market just to see his MG TC which had been restored to showroom quality.

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Ataraxis's avatar

300+ hp V8. 6 speed manual. No TV in the dash. Peak automobile.

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Scott A's avatar

I just need to get a matching color track suit to drive it.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Peak cool dad!

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Scott A's avatar

I can't drop the daughter off at school on the motorcycle because they don't have anywhere for her to put a helmet. So my wife says.

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Chuck S's avatar

and a mullet

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Scott A's avatar

I briefly had a mullet when I was doing semi competitive MMA. It would not look good with my very thin back of the head spot

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S2kChris's avatar

I’ve always preferred the Camaro SS of that gen to the WS6, just on aesthetics.

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Scott A's avatar

A teenaged me would've picked the Camaro. I think now I'd pick the Trans am.

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MD Streeter's avatar

T/A all the way.

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Scott A's avatar

I definitely would've gotten laid in high school if I had one.

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Andrew White's avatar

Down the skreet there's a very nice 4th gen Camaro PACE CAR for sale. I don't dislike them enough to not gawk every time I've ridden past it. They're fun cars.

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Scott A's avatar

Umm. How much?

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Andrew White's avatar

It was priced at 10k for ultra low miles and spotless black paint with the Indy stripe package looking like it hadn’t seen the sun since it was on the lot. Fine looking car. Already sold, which is a bummer.

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sgeffe's avatar

There were two or three of those at the venue used for the First Principles meeting in Detroit. Good looking!

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Ice Age's avatar

Never cared for the notchback styling, but combine all the Z06 parts with the standard hatchback body and you have the perfect Vette.

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Andy's avatar

Keep going and you'll be at a split window in no time.

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Ataraxis's avatar

I was just at the Gilmore Car Museum in Michigan and they had a black split window that was the C2 engineering test car. After they were done with it a young GM engineer bought it. He stills owns it.

Black was not a common Corvette color back then and the car looks great.

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Ken's avatar

"He looks about how you'd expect him to based on that anecdote lol"

Polo shirt covering a hard gut, w/khaki cargo shorts, over white new balance sneakers?

In full disclosure, I'm 90% of that, sans the gut and the C8.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

Is the low roof easy to access with the diaper when he's waxing it?

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Stephen Jackson's avatar

I seldom go to Cars and Coffee, but I can almost guarantee that my 75 Bobcat/Pinto draws a larger crowd. Cost me about the same as 4 Corvette tires

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Jeff R's avatar

Is Madin any relation to Westin Workman who races in Global MX-5 Cup?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I don't believe so.

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MD Streeter's avatar

I can't wait to tell everyone just how much I hated that scifi book.

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Ice Age's avatar

That was sci fi?

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Steve Ward's avatar

you obviously didn't buy the required drug packet to go with reading it.

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Ice Age's avatar

Obviously...

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silentsod's avatar

I thought we were reading clit lit exclusively from now on?

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MD Streeter's avatar

Oh, if only we were.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Cadillac Optiq (painful just typing that) curb weight is 5200 lbs (that too).

That makes the Optiki 3” shorter than my 193” 2012 E350 wagon but 800 lbs heavier than the 4400 lb Mercedes. Cargo capacity with the rear seats down for the Optiki is 57 cu ft and 69 cu ft for the Mercedes.

Progress, comrades!

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Dave's avatar

I was glad to know nothing about this car, doubly so now that I've seen it, it looks like a less interesting Hyundai. What happened to the early 2000's concepts like the Evoq or Cien or Sixteen. They've kept the naming scheme but just slapped them on something my kids would be embarrassed to be seen in. Just give me a giant unashamed American car already... I guess that is the Escalade but really can Caddy take credit for that one or is it old GM "we know how to make high displacement trucks!" peaking through.

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The Lyriq, at least, has an interesting shape, being a long, low-roofed wagon-esque thing with elegant proportions and a long wheelbase. The Optiq…looks exactly as stubby and dorky as it is, and it feels cramped inside. Also, every single Optiq that I’ve seen has had hot glue remnants on the headliner. But then…that was also true of the $157,000 Escalade IQ loaner I had. Way to go, GM.

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Steve Ward's avatar

hey, the quality is consistent!

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sgeffe's avatar

OK, so why wouldn’t you just buy a Honda Prologue?! It looks the same. I presume it’s on that same chassis?

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Mark S.'s avatar

They're all on the Ultium platform and built in GM assembly plants, but Lyric, Blazer, ZDX, and Prologue are most closely related, and then Optiq and Equinox are somewhat smaller and closely related.

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G. K.'s avatar

The Prologue is closest to the Blazer, shape- and body-panel-wise, and not the Lyriq.

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Steve Ward's avatar

re the jeans: this statement on their site under Fabric Care gave me a good laugh: "For the very best break-in, we recommend washing after 3-6 months of regular wear." my wife complains when I wear the same Tee shirt two days in a row (when I happen to do nothing those days to get it sweaty). I can't imagine the grief I would get if I said "I can't wash these jeans until the 6 month break in period is over".

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S2kChris's avatar

I wash a shirt after a full day’s wear*.

Pants almost never get dirty. I wash them every few weeks.

*a lot of times I’ll come home from work and put a tshirt on, and wear it that evening, and then that becomes the next day’s tshirt too.

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Scott A's avatar

My wife does not understand if I put it on top of the hamper instead of in the hamper, I will wear it the next day

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S2kChris's avatar

Our house came with a fancy California Closet type system. It has his and hers built in hampers, and my section of the closet has 2 or 3 different places to stash “transitional” clothes that are somewhere between clean and dirty.

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Scott A's avatar

We are poor*. We are lucky we have a closet

*i live next to millionaires

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Ice Age's avatar

"There isn't just Clean and Dirty. There are many subtle levels in between. See this shirt? Just hang it outside the window for 20 minutes, it's fine."

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Steve Ward's avatar

Exactly. And each T shirt has two sides, and a front and back, so it should be good for at least 4 days regardless of the activity is it worn for.

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Ice Age's avatar

I draw the line at doing that with underwear, though.

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silentsod's avatar

Yeah those are strictly inside/outside.

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Louis Nevell's avatar

Do people still wear underwear???

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Scott A's avatar

Women dont understand us

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Steve Ward's avatar

Can we put that on a billboard in every town?

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Steve Ward's avatar

Yep, call it the shirt rotation cycle.

But I manage to frequently get my pants/shorts dirty futzing around the garden or messing with my bikes (the pedal kind).

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Drunkonunleaded's avatar

Raw denim be like that. You can also keep them in the freezer and/or spritz the inside with vodka to kill any bacteria.

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Scott A's avatar

One spritze for the jeans two spritz for me

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Nplus1's avatar

Freezing won't kill the bacteria, just slow the population growth rate.

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S2kChris's avatar

“No ocifer you just schmelll the vodka from my jeanssss I ain’t been drankin’”

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Chuck S's avatar

I'm willing to bet Magnus Walker has a TikTok or Instagram Reel explaining how he provides 10 years of aging in 20 minutes.

he did it for a pair of boots.

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Scott A's avatar

He gets them pregnant?

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Henry C.'s avatar

Ouch.

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Louis Nevell's avatar

Do you go to jail if you remove the label?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I did!

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Sam's avatar

I'm a 1 day a week wearer of denim in the warmer months, and 2-3 day a week wearer in the cooler months, and I maybe wash my jeans 1-2 times a year. By wearing I mean driving a desk on casual Friday, hanging out or doing non strenuous/dirty work around the house on weekends. If they start to smell or get greasy they get washed, inside out, cold, hang dried.

The denim freaks on reddit that wear the same pair daily for 6+months while doing real activities in them can most likely be smelled before seen.

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Eric L.'s avatar

I finished Blindsight yesterday morning. I don't know what to think of it, but I'll be checking out the "it's not a sequel" sequel from the library instead of buying it, as I did this one because I thought you were done with trolling book recommendations.

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silentsod's avatar

I didnt buy the book but maybe in this case it's a reverse Forever War / Forever Peace.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'I thought you were done with trolling book recommendations.'

I am... Blindsight is a book I've read four times. I didn't intend to make people miserable; I intended to spur discussion of the core issues.

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Chuck S's avatar

I didn't realize it until I had the copy in my hand, but Blindsight had been on my "buy this if you find it used" list. Knowing that it was written 16 years ago makes it seem in many ways prescient - not necessarily in the major plot points (which, yes, he raises some valid questions about AI and whether consciousness is required for intelligence) but in the smaller plot points - like Chelsea being an outlier deemed quaint at best and a freak at worst for preferring sex with a real person as opposed to sex with a simulacrum of someone.

it is not hard to see that happening in the not-to-distant future given the inevitable convergence of porn, AI, and VR...

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linearphase's avatar

Not all of us hated it.

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MD Streeter's avatar

The book made me sperg out the way the cuties netflix thing did. I'm glad I read it, I appreciate all the other things I've read a lot more now.

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Speed's avatar

"The book made me sperg out the way the cuties netflix thing did"

was it also written by pedos

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MD Streeter's avatar

Far be it from me to cast aspersions at Peter Watts, but I have no evidence he’s not.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I gave him some great recs and he ignored them:

Like this - https://www.amazon.com/Apple-China-Capture-Greatest-Company/dp/1668053373

The closest I’ll get to science fiction is Eliezer Yudkowsky’s new book, which I finished today.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

'I gave him some great recs and he ignored them:

Like this - https://www.amazon.com/Apple-China-Capture-Greatest-Company/dp/1668053373'

Alternately, we could just watch a video of one man sucking another man's dick, because

a) that's all your recommendation is

b) it would be less vapid

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

How would you know, since you haven’t read the book?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

How indeed?

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Scott A's avatar

You might want to get your iq tested again

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Hex168's avatar

How someone as smart as Yudkowsky gets so much wrong, I don't know. He writes well, though.

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silentsod's avatar

Yudkowsky? I hope you didn't take him seriously.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I implied he was a science fiction writer.

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Flashman's avatar

I don’t read sci-fi (except for Discworld), but I did put the Apple book on hold at the library. 20 ahead of me, so even with multiple copies it may take awhile.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Reading it is an incendiary threat to one’s manhood, apparently.

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Flashman's avatar

We are an Apple household (no watch), so I’ve probably already turned in my man card.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

Brave move

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Dannyp's avatar

Add me to the Hoosier blowout list. At some point over the weekend, I put a flat spot in one of my tires, which created a vibration Sunday during qualifying. I thought it was just tire marbles but as it got worse I should've pulled off track instead of continuing to push it. The left front tire blew halfway through Nelson's carousel turn, where I then slid off track ass first into the weeds (which I caught on fire briefly). After bending the fender back into place and throwing on some old spare tires, I led most of Sunday's race before getting impatient in the process of passing a lapper who must not have seen me coming, and flat spotted those tires too. The resulting vibration was worse than the one in quali so I pulled off track with about 3 laps to go. Live and learn. This car locks the brakes relatively easily, so I might be in need of an adjustable proportioning valve. However, I won my class Saturday, and Nelson Ledges remains a truly exciting track to drive in anger, so I'll take Sunday as a lesson and consider myself blessed to not have rolled the car when the blowout occurred.

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Scott A's avatar

Racing is so cool. Wish i had the time and money for it

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Dannyp's avatar

Managing those two challenges is probably worth an article in itself. I find that there are ways to stretch your dollar and still make it to the track, the issue of time is more difficult.

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Scott A's avatar

These days, It's mostly time. When I was younger and had the time, I didn't have any money.

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