Hah! I remember that picture well. Never knew it was a local guy who did that. 512BBs were scarce in Canuckistan back then. Not like lambos, which are as common as Camrys, in downtown Toronto now.
Wow, that’s an encouraging review. These are stock tires on my car and I have several track days planned this year. I say encouraging because everything and one I’ve read goes on and on about needing 200tw tires, especially the Bridgestones. Can’t wait to see how these perform vs the ExtremeContacts I had on in the late fall.
I ran the Extreme Contacts back to back with the PS4S on my Civic. The former had a bit more grip but were more sensitive to heat if I recall correctly. I wasn't logging data back then so I don't have lap time comparisons for you.
Nothing fancy. Track Addict on my phone with an obd dongle and external gps for telemetry. I use the selfie camera on the phone to record my head and hands, and a GoPro to record the view over the hood. I combine them to make videos in Race Render, and I do data analysis with Circuit Tools. I’d post a link but I deleted my YouTube account.
Also, I have run the P4S on my 2004 Boxster with the ROW M030 suspension, and it is, indeed, the best tire I have experienced.
But, it is so hyper precise and quick to turn, that on a long interstate trip, it becomes fatiguing due to the need to be absolutely focused and not drift into the next lane with a sneeze.
I am currently running the Continental ContiSport 02, their P4S fighter, and it is just that tiny bit lazier on center, that it is enough to make a long interstate drive more relaxing, yet the performance is 99% there compared to the P4S.
On a stiff suspension sports car that is used for long vacation drives to Colorado and back, I’d take the Conti’s.
For every other type of spirited driving, those Michelins are the bomb.
While I don't have experience with sport tires, over the years I have purchased two sets of Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2s for our vehicles. This winter I concluded I just won't buy any other brand.
I just switched the Highlander to CrossClimate 2s over the LTX M/S. They are notably quieter, slated to wear more quickly by 10k miles, and provided at least equal snow grip due to the enormous amounts of snow it holds onto between tread. I think the compound is softer and theoretically better for ice but I am exceedingly cautious with the kids in the car if I suspect ice.
The Mazda3 switches between X-Ice (better for 99% of my winter weather than Blizzak WS80s) and Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 mk2 or whatever the newer ones are called.
I'm on CrossClimate 2s as well and have been extremely happy with them. No problems in heavy snow up in Utah's canyons, yet quiet and predictable in the dry. I happened to meet a Michelin engineer, and he explained a little about how they're able to retain great handling as they wear (it's complicated). Color me impressed!
They’re damn good. I replaced whatever Michelin shoes came on my 2019 Accord Touring 2.0T with CC2s. They give up a tiny bit of ultimate dry grip for astounding performance in rain and snow!
Since Honda is no longer interested in hawking the best performing midsize sedan in terms of ultimate power and handling, if I decide to downgrade to an Accord Touring Hybrid in the next couple years, I’m going to see if I can get CC2s installed on the vehicle at delivery; the shoes that originally came on my car were a little skittish in heavier precipitation, and I don’t want to have to live with that again.
The one problem I have with the Quatracs is the ride gets much worse once I have worn 1/3 of the tread off. How well do the CC2s ride once they are worn a little?
I love the look of the CrossClimate 2s but they unfortunately don't make them in pickup sizes. I wasn't happy with my previous Blizzakz DMV2 winter performance and bought some Toyo GSi6 due to previous experience with them but I've been kicking myself for not getting the X-Ice snows.
I think the LTX M/S runs higher load ratings and are approved for heavier duty hence no pickup use. I'm sure some autistic tire nerd will correct me if I'm wrong.
Hey! I'm tire shopping right now. I have some BFG K02s that are shot to hell. Some of the Land Cruiser guys say the Defenders are really great all around tires, sans mud and other technical and gnarly off-roadin' activities. Surprising for such a middle of the road looking tire.
They're a little pricey though, and I'm on a bit of a budget because I might change all 5 tires and of course the TPMS sensors are all dead too. Kinda looking at Yoko Geolandar's or Toyo High Country's.
I've been running the Cooper Discoverer AT3s on my work trucks (3/4 and 1 tons) for several years and have been very happy with them. Low road noise, decent off-road performance (not serious off-roading, but driving a 1 ton diesel down a muddy dirt trail) and pretty good snow performance for something thats not a dedicated winter tire.
I have Nitto TerraGrapplers on my 80 series Land Cruiser. Been really happy with their on and off road performance. I'm in Georgia so I can't comment on snow.
I put K02s on my truck and have nothing negative to say about them. Commuting, towing, off-roading, snow, they’re great at just about anything. If you don’t need the off-road part of that, the Michelin LTX is a great tire. The LTX isn’t terrible off-road though, I ran a set on my Jeep for years.
For that matter, I don’t recall ever owning a bad set of Michelin or BFG tires.
My Rubicon had K02s which were great. My current Willy’s has Wildpeaks which I don’t like as much. I’ll switch back to K02s when the Wildpeaks are done.
I had those on my Land Cruiser and had to nix them because they were old and dry rotted thanks to the previous geriatric owner. I did take them off roading a bit and they were pretty decent in slippery stuff. More than they had a right to be.
I replaced them with some Mickey Thompson white letter mt/at in betweeners that were good til they got 30k on them and now they sing like 80s mudders. I may go back to the LTX because it was so good at everything and keep the Mickeys on a 2nd set of wheels.
I’ve got the Pilot Sport summer tires on my C7 but when I eventually replace them I’m going with the A/S version. I read somewhere that the current A/S versions eclipse the performance of the original summer versions. Who knows? I’m guessing I won’t be able to tell the difference, and I’d like to have the lower temperature usability for driving in the mountains where I live.
I’ve got PS4 A/S on my Lexus LS430 (it came with an almost brand new set), and concur.
They’re really something in wet weather, as a guy in a BRZ found out trying to keep pace with the big boat on a wet off-ramp.
Where I live, below freezing mornings and 60 degree afternoons are not uncommon, making an all season rating beneficial. Whatever grip the all seasons leave on the table will never be found by the LS.
The all season is a bit of a stretch - they’re subpar in snow and ice, but otherwise excellent. I just drive my winter tire shod car when there’s snow on the ground.
I must be a crappy autojourno, because I paid with my money for TWO sets of tires this year.
A couple of weeks back, the Rendezvous received some Nokians, called I think Seasonproof or something like that. They are black and round, which is very good, because that's a quality the set graciously left for me by the previous owner didn't have (roundness, they were black allright). This made the car much better and it seems to have more than enough grip for the Rendezvous' not-so-sporty chassis. I bought them AFTER the five or so days in the year when there's snow around here, so I don't know much about that.
They were cheap, though, so that's good.
Some months back (it was probably last fall and not this year), I also bought a set for the X-type. This, being sporty and British and all that stuff, didn't qualify for a dedicated summer/winter tire combo, but I figured it deserves the best all-season tire I can find.
I found Pirelli Cinturato SF3 and so far, they seem outstanding. On the snow, they were kind of on par with whatever the press Hyundai was using this winter, on the wet/dry, they seem to have improved the car quite a bit. Which was still before we found out how out of whack the suspension really was.
So I may mention them when I finally get the car back and write something about it. For now, they seem like great tires for much less money than Michelin CrossClimates or GoodYear Vectors.
Speaking of Boxsters, I got an allocation (no BJ's needed) for the last of the 718 GTS 4.0 cars ( N/A 394hp) to be delivered in July. Another Boxster, significant time on the configurator. I know, I know, spare me... Like our esteemed host i know what I like.
Aventurine Green with full black leather, PDK, all the dumb goodies. I'm going to sell the 4cylinder turbo or get hosed as a trade in.
I need to own two, the other is a Peridot Green Cayman R. Fortunately that one keeps appreciating faster than I can put money into it. For once I bought a used fun car at the right time in its lifetime.
Remind me to write up how I managed to sell an E30 M3 for $20,000 at a $1,000 profit months before it became a $75,000 car for BAT jerkoffs. That's how smart I usually am about these things.
Porsche has two of the best greens ever. Ice Green and Crystal Green Metallic. Peridot is striking, though.
I was at a car show in the ‘90s where I saw a BMW M1. This show was your typical Camaro, Corvette, GTO show, so her M1 was way in the back of the field the show was held at, and no one was coming to look at it. They probably thought it was kit car. I complimented the woman who brought it, and the first thing she says to me was “Wanna buy it?”, I ask “how much?”, she says “$75,000”. I had the money because I was about to rehab a house, but in retrospect I should have bought the car and not rehabbed the house. I think I saw the same car sell on BaT for $675k. Woulda, coulda, shoulda!
So as an odd coincidence my first Porsche was an Ice Green 1974 911 Targa. Got it in the 1990s, the Ice Green was a $450 option, which was serious money in 1974.
A track buddy of mine has a 911 SC in that color and built a Beck replica with a 911 engine that he paints in Ice Green too. I wanted to do a PTS a few years ago in it but the dealer wouldn't or couldn't get one.
Anyway, before I kick the bucket I'll find one again and convince my wife we need a green Porsche troika.
Those GM dark greens from back then are great. Some were almost black looking they were so dark. The really cool dark green on the 1969 Camaro was called Fathom Green. I have a neighbor with a 1967 Corvette in Goodwood Green, and that’s another nice dark green.
More green talk, we had a forest green Saab 93, the year GM took over, with a tan interior. Green in that general shade was in vogue in the mid 90s, then just up and disappeared.
That’s a great color. I like the prismatic colors.
Here’s a fascinating video on creating a custom paint color, from Harry’s Garage. He was restoring a Jaguar XJ V12 coupe, and he wanted a green that looked like something from the 1970’s but with more pop. He found an Aston Martin green that he liked on their configurator, but when he borrowed an Aston in that green, found that it was too black. So he had the paint analyzed and the paint specialists took the original color but removed the black in the paint to get the color he saw online. The finished color is spectacular and can be seen on his other XJ-C videos.
Me too, but I have a manual Cayman R for whenever I feel the itch.
Having said that, I stand by the PDK being a very fun transmission. The immediacy of the shifts and the programming is something else. I've had it on the 718 Boxster S.
I'm printing this out for when you get back to normal.
The green in the 993s was a little different but close enough. They brought it back when the 992 rolled out. I saw one on a Panamera Tourismo wagon and told myself I can't have a $180,000 wagon but I can have the color.
Thanks for the tip. I don't run summer-only tires anymore because they take too long to get warm enough to trust about four months of the year. Tires are stupid expensive these days anyway, so the cost differential doesn't seem excessive for something you know is good.
I did the Dragon on a loaded down BMW K75RT which was pleasant enough if not particularly fast, but the Cherohala scared me when the K75 wanted to flex in the middle of those downhill sweepers. I lost my nerve and my buddies rode away from me on their Buells, VFRs, etc.
Both I and the wifey work at home so tires are more likely to age out than wear out. Shame those P4S's don't come in my size. I've half a mind to get 200WR tires, but we get some stiff rain here.
i had my suspicions but i guess everyone was right and they really are the best tire you can buy
i have very strongly considered ordering a set of 195 50 15s from overseas (i dont think we can get them here for some reason or i might have been thinking of the ps3s) becuase its either that or play around with 300tw tires that might not have the best handling characteristics or behaviour
Honestly, it would be fun and worthwhile to have a general tire guide post. Structure as a loquacious shitpost but with serious pros/cons for track/autocross, performance, and everyday tires.
As an example; what will you put on the wheels of the 300C when its factory rubber date-codes out? What would you put on the rear wheels of a corvette with more than 600 hp used for Racing In Mexico? What did you run in the Singer Milan (so long as cost was not a factor) etc, etc...
OMG, Baruth! I have that R&T parting shot framed and hanging in my garage!!!!
Outstanding!
A lot of people have fond memories of that PS and that era of R&T.
I’m away from home, otherwise I would snap a photo of it as proof.
That was Henry Burgoyne (a local newspaper magnate) who crashed his Ferrari in St. Catharines, Ontario back around 1983, give or take.
The nearest intersection is Glenridge Avenue at Lockhart Drive. Photo was snapped by pro. photog. Tony Robertson.
Glenridge is still curvy and forested with a steep drop off.
I believe the car was a 512bb.
But most important of all, that was a great gag caption.
P.S. They eventually added a guard rail.
Link to the PS captioned by Peter Egan in 1983:
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads18/GoodTires1289003515.jpg
Hah! I remember that picture well. Never knew it was a local guy who did that. 512BBs were scarce in Canuckistan back then. Not like lambos, which are as common as Camrys, in downtown Toronto now.
Two lambos drove down my suburban office sode rode yesterday. Theyre not even cool anymore.
Agreed. Nothing less cool then rolling in a Lambo now. Unless it’s a 40 year old Countach.
Or a miura
I had a set on my Civic years ago, can confirm everything you've said. They were splendid.
I've never read a more thorough tire review, and I've never read such glowing words from Jack before
Wow, that’s an encouraging review. These are stock tires on my car and I have several track days planned this year. I say encouraging because everything and one I’ve read goes on and on about needing 200tw tires, especially the Bridgestones. Can’t wait to see how these perform vs the ExtremeContacts I had on in the late fall.
I ran the Extreme Contacts back to back with the PS4S on my Civic. The former had a bit more grip but were more sensitive to heat if I recall correctly. I wasn't logging data back then so I don't have lap time comparisons for you.
what do you do for data logging?
Nothing fancy. Track Addict on my phone with an obd dongle and external gps for telemetry. I use the selfie camera on the phone to record my head and hands, and a GoPro to record the view over the hood. I combine them to make videos in Race Render, and I do data analysis with Circuit Tools. I’d post a link but I deleted my YouTube account.
Forgot I have one on insta https://www.instagram.com/tv/CjspHK8tvT93iB0uQeN5bEcMt0ZLsbpvBxEbS80/?igsh=MmQ1aWljbnRvYml0
Just requested to follow on IG as I’d be interested in doing something like that this year. Or just buying a Garmin.
Also, I have run the P4S on my 2004 Boxster with the ROW M030 suspension, and it is, indeed, the best tire I have experienced.
But, it is so hyper precise and quick to turn, that on a long interstate trip, it becomes fatiguing due to the need to be absolutely focused and not drift into the next lane with a sneeze.
I am currently running the Continental ContiSport 02, their P4S fighter, and it is just that tiny bit lazier on center, that it is enough to make a long interstate drive more relaxing, yet the performance is 99% there compared to the P4S.
On a stiff suspension sports car that is used for long vacation drives to Colorado and back, I’d take the Conti’s.
For every other type of spirited driving, those Michelins are the bomb.
While I don't have experience with sport tires, over the years I have purchased two sets of Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2s for our vehicles. This winter I concluded I just won't buy any other brand.
I just switched the Highlander to CrossClimate 2s over the LTX M/S. They are notably quieter, slated to wear more quickly by 10k miles, and provided at least equal snow grip due to the enormous amounts of snow it holds onto between tread. I think the compound is softer and theoretically better for ice but I am exceedingly cautious with the kids in the car if I suspect ice.
The Mazda3 switches between X-Ice (better for 99% of my winter weather than Blizzak WS80s) and Conti ExtremeContact DWS06 mk2 or whatever the newer ones are called.
Michelin makes some great tires.
I'm on CrossClimate 2s as well and have been extremely happy with them. No problems in heavy snow up in Utah's canyons, yet quiet and predictable in the dry. I happened to meet a Michelin engineer, and he explained a little about how they're able to retain great handling as they wear (it's complicated). Color me impressed!
They’re damn good. I replaced whatever Michelin shoes came on my 2019 Accord Touring 2.0T with CC2s. They give up a tiny bit of ultimate dry grip for astounding performance in rain and snow!
Since Honda is no longer interested in hawking the best performing midsize sedan in terms of ultimate power and handling, if I decide to downgrade to an Accord Touring Hybrid in the next couple years, I’m going to see if I can get CC2s installed on the vehicle at delivery; the shoes that originally came on my car were a little skittish in heavier precipitation, and I don’t want to have to live with that again.
Edit: The originals were Primacy MXM4s.
I've been using Vredestein Quatracs for years. Are these better?
Hard to say. My guess is that Tire Rack probably has comparisons.
The one problem I have with the Quatracs is the ride gets much worse once I have worn 1/3 of the tread off. How well do the CC2s ride once they are worn a little?
They do. Looks like it is close to a wash between the two, for what they tested at any rate. Thanks for the suggestion!
I love CC2's.
I love the look of the CrossClimate 2s but they unfortunately don't make them in pickup sizes. I wasn't happy with my previous Blizzakz DMV2 winter performance and bought some Toyo GSi6 due to previous experience with them but I've been kicking myself for not getting the X-Ice snows.
X-Ice is giving up some ultimate snow and ice traction cf the Blizzak for a better dry winter drive in terms of grip and noise.
I think the LTX M/S runs higher load ratings and are approved for heavier duty hence no pickup use. I'm sure some autistic tire nerd will correct me if I'm wrong.
Hey! I'm tire shopping right now. I have some BFG K02s that are shot to hell. Some of the Land Cruiser guys say the Defenders are really great all around tires, sans mud and other technical and gnarly off-roadin' activities. Surprising for such a middle of the road looking tire.
They're a little pricey though, and I'm on a bit of a budget because I might change all 5 tires and of course the TPMS sensors are all dead too. Kinda looking at Yoko Geolandar's or Toyo High Country's.
I've been running the Cooper Discoverer AT3s on my work trucks (3/4 and 1 tons) for several years and have been very happy with them. Low road noise, decent off-road performance (not serious off-roading, but driving a 1 ton diesel down a muddy dirt trail) and pretty good snow performance for something thats not a dedicated winter tire.
that's good to know. I'm thinking of getting those tires when the OEM Pirelli ones on my Jeep GC wear down.
I have Nitto TerraGrapplers on my 80 series Land Cruiser. Been really happy with their on and off road performance. I'm in Georgia so I can't comment on snow.
I put K02s on my truck and have nothing negative to say about them. Commuting, towing, off-roading, snow, they’re great at just about anything. If you don’t need the off-road part of that, the Michelin LTX is a great tire. The LTX isn’t terrible off-road though, I ran a set on my Jeep for years.
For that matter, I don’t recall ever owning a bad set of Michelin or BFG tires.
My Rubicon had K02s which were great. My current Willy’s has Wildpeaks which I don’t like as much. I’ll switch back to K02s when the Wildpeaks are done.
The LTX M/S are incredible all rounders, IMO.
I have used Falken Wildpeak A/Ts on a pickup and they're alright. I didn't have issues with them in heavy snow or mild muddy conditions.
I had those on my Land Cruiser and had to nix them because they were old and dry rotted thanks to the previous geriatric owner. I did take them off roading a bit and they were pretty decent in slippery stuff. More than they had a right to be.
I replaced them with some Mickey Thompson white letter mt/at in betweeners that were good til they got 30k on them and now they sing like 80s mudders. I may go back to the LTX because it was so good at everything and keep the Mickeys on a 2nd set of wheels.
I put the A/S version on my 718 Boxster, honestly don't feel a difference but can drive in 20 degree weather.
I’ve got the Pilot Sport summer tires on my C7 but when I eventually replace them I’m going with the A/S version. I read somewhere that the current A/S versions eclipse the performance of the original summer versions. Who knows? I’m guessing I won’t be able to tell the difference, and I’d like to have the lower temperature usability for driving in the mountains where I live.
I’ve got PS4 A/S on my Lexus LS430 (it came with an almost brand new set), and concur.
They’re really something in wet weather, as a guy in a BRZ found out trying to keep pace with the big boat on a wet off-ramp.
Where I live, below freezing mornings and 60 degree afternoons are not uncommon, making an all season rating beneficial. Whatever grip the all seasons leave on the table will never be found by the LS.
The all season is a bit of a stretch - they’re subpar in snow and ice, but otherwise excellent. I just drive my winter tire shod car when there’s snow on the ground.
I was going to ask how any PS4 variant would handle the white stuff.
Probably not as well as the CrossClimate 2s I’ve got now.
I must be a crappy autojourno, because I paid with my money for TWO sets of tires this year.
A couple of weeks back, the Rendezvous received some Nokians, called I think Seasonproof or something like that. They are black and round, which is very good, because that's a quality the set graciously left for me by the previous owner didn't have (roundness, they were black allright). This made the car much better and it seems to have more than enough grip for the Rendezvous' not-so-sporty chassis. I bought them AFTER the five or so days in the year when there's snow around here, so I don't know much about that.
They were cheap, though, so that's good.
Some months back (it was probably last fall and not this year), I also bought a set for the X-type. This, being sporty and British and all that stuff, didn't qualify for a dedicated summer/winter tire combo, but I figured it deserves the best all-season tire I can find.
I found Pirelli Cinturato SF3 and so far, they seem outstanding. On the snow, they were kind of on par with whatever the press Hyundai was using this winter, on the wet/dry, they seem to have improved the car quite a bit. Which was still before we found out how out of whack the suspension really was.
So I may mention them when I finally get the car back and write something about it. For now, they seem like great tires for much less money than Michelin CrossClimates or GoodYear Vectors.
“black and round” now that’s a low bar for a tire!
Towards the end of their time with me, my last set of Eagle GAs only met the first of those two requirements.
Don’t need good tires when you can’t drive worth a damn!!! (Cheat code?)
True enough
purple crack gives me pace i lack
Speaking of Boxsters, I got an allocation (no BJ's needed) for the last of the 718 GTS 4.0 cars ( N/A 394hp) to be delivered in July. Another Boxster, significant time on the configurator. I know, I know, spare me... Like our esteemed host i know what I like.
Aventurine Green with full black leather, PDK, all the dumb goodies. I'm going to sell the 4cylinder turbo or get hosed as a trade in.
Gorgeous color!
No joke, even my wife likes it and she's like Jack about Porsches.
I need to own a green car, congrats!
I need to own two, the other is a Peridot Green Cayman R. Fortunately that one keeps appreciating faster than I can put money into it. For once I bought a used fun car at the right time in its lifetime.
Remind me to write up how I managed to sell an E30 M3 for $20,000 at a $1,000 profit months before it became a $75,000 car for BAT jerkoffs. That's how smart I usually am about these things.
Porsche has two of the best greens ever. Ice Green and Crystal Green Metallic. Peridot is striking, though.
I was at a car show in the ‘90s where I saw a BMW M1. This show was your typical Camaro, Corvette, GTO show, so her M1 was way in the back of the field the show was held at, and no one was coming to look at it. They probably thought it was kit car. I complimented the woman who brought it, and the first thing she says to me was “Wanna buy it?”, I ask “how much?”, she says “$75,000”. I had the money because I was about to rehab a house, but in retrospect I should have bought the car and not rehabbed the house. I think I saw the same car sell on BaT for $675k. Woulda, coulda, shoulda!
Yeah, that was a bad move. Like my passing on a chairs and flares Dino at $125,000 which I also had.
So as an odd coincidence my first Porsche was an Ice Green 1974 911 Targa. Got it in the 1990s, the Ice Green was a $450 option, which was serious money in 1974.
A track buddy of mine has a 911 SC in that color and built a Beck replica with a 911 engine that he paints in Ice Green too. I wanted to do a PTS a few years ago in it but the dealer wouldn't or couldn't get one.
Anyway, before I kick the bucket I'll find one again and convince my wife we need a green Porsche troika.
I’ve owned 2:
- 2001 Montana, green with silver lower cladding
- 2008 Malibu, silver green mist something color
What I would really like to find - Dad’s ‘74 Firebird - dark green with white interior.
Those GM dark greens from back then are great. Some were almost black looking they were so dark. The really cool dark green on the 1969 Camaro was called Fathom Green. I have a neighbor with a 1967 Corvette in Goodwood Green, and that’s another nice dark green.
1974 Pontiac Pinemist Green. https://www.ebay.com/itm/386147676869
From a time when a real selection of COLORS was available. Not todays "10 shades of gray" selection.
More green talk, we had a forest green Saab 93, the year GM took over, with a tan interior. Green in that general shade was in vogue in the mid 90s, then just up and disappeared.
I had a B4 Passat wagon with the narrow angle v-6 in a pretty metallic green.
If I’m recalling, that is an unusually attractive paint color.
Yeah it was a really pretty metallic emerald green that when nicely with the tan interior. One of my favorite car colors I’ve owned.
Yes I remember that one. Also the green Corrado. Almost, almost got one new but even then knew it wouldn't be great.
While we’re discussing greens, I must say I found the most hard hitting green paint color on a Bentley parked outside a friend’s apartment building:
If I’m not mistaken, it was midnight emerald. Almost black in most lights, but in bright sunlight it glows.
It almost looked like it might be a prismatic paint in terms of the depth of color.
With all this said, could have been a custom painted car. Outside of car shows I’ve never seen a shade with that much depth and color-change effect
That’s a great color. I like the prismatic colors.
Here’s a fascinating video on creating a custom paint color, from Harry’s Garage. He was restoring a Jaguar XJ V12 coupe, and he wanted a green that looked like something from the 1970’s but with more pop. He found an Aston Martin green that he liked on their configurator, but when he borrowed an Aston in that green, found that it was too black. So he had the paint analyzed and the paint specialists took the original color but removed the black in the paint to get the color he saw online. The finished color is spectacular and can be seen on his other XJ-C videos.
The pertinent segments are from 3:40-5:00 and 18:20 til the end. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PTRbPeKq-k
My Genesis G70 also has a very pretty dark green. It’s nice to not see it everywhere, like black/silver/white cars.
That is the color I really wanted for mine, but couldn’t find any within a reasonable radius with the packages I want.
One of few new cars worth it, regardless of what anyone here says. Kudos!
Thanks!
PDK!?!?!?!?!?!?
I've driven manuals for 45 years, I like them but honestly the thrill is gone. A PDK is seriously fun to drive.
Damn. I’m so sorry.
Me too, but I have a manual Cayman R for whenever I feel the itch.
Having said that, I stand by the PDK being a very fun transmission. The immediacy of the shifts and the programming is something else. I've had it on the 718 Boxster S.
And wife.
I miss having a manual but not nearly as much as I thought I would
My replacement commuter in the distant future with have an auto. I can always shift up and down on a motorcycle.
If ever there was a Porsche to get, that's the one.
Aventurine is a very vintage color choice, I looked at a couple Aventurine 993s two and a half decades ago before buying my white one.
I'm printing this out for when you get back to normal.
The green in the 993s was a little different but close enough. They brought it back when the 992 rolled out. I saw one on a Panamera Tourismo wagon and told myself I can't have a $180,000 wagon but I can have the color.
My vintage 968 is Aventurine and I appreciate its rarity.
Ohhhh, I love that green! Had not heard of it, so googled it. Verrry nice!
Sounds like a great new toy Andy! Love green cars and induction noise!
Thanks for the tip. I don't run summer-only tires anymore because they take too long to get warm enough to trust about four months of the year. Tires are stupid expensive these days anyway, so the cost differential doesn't seem excessive for something you know is good.
I did the Dragon on a loaded down BMW K75RT which was pleasant enough if not particularly fast, but the Cherohala scared me when the K75 wanted to flex in the middle of those downhill sweepers. I lost my nerve and my buddies rode away from me on their Buells, VFRs, etc.
Well at least you're still here to tell the story
Both I and the wifey work at home so tires are more likely to age out than wear out. Shame those P4S's don't come in my size. I've half a mind to get 200WR tires, but we get some stiff rain here.
i had my suspicions but i guess everyone was right and they really are the best tire you can buy
i have very strongly considered ordering a set of 195 50 15s from overseas (i dont think we can get them here for some reason or i might have been thinking of the ps3s) becuase its either that or play around with 300tw tires that might not have the best handling characteristics or behaviour
Honestly, it would be fun and worthwhile to have a general tire guide post. Structure as a loquacious shitpost but with serious pros/cons for track/autocross, performance, and everyday tires.
As an example; what will you put on the wheels of the 300C when its factory rubber date-codes out? What would you put on the rear wheels of a corvette with more than 600 hp used for Racing In Mexico? What did you run in the Singer Milan (so long as cost was not a factor) etc, etc...
would be even better if there was a list of tires to avoid as well
i think andy hollis from grassroots motorsport has a constantly updated tire list but i dont know how accurate or worthwhile the data is
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/track-tire-buyers-guide/
naturally id like to hear what jack has to say about what tire
He's the greatest cheater in SCCA history, but he *is* thorough!
Wondering: why the Goodyears over the Pilot Sport A/S 4's?
Price? Fitment?
If I'm guessing price. A set of 4 in sports car sizes was something like $1500.
I saved maybe $600 for the set and I'm not expecting high grip levels. Don't WANT them.