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Speed's avatar

I'm glad you waded through this nonsense for us. It DOES sound unsubtle and pretty cringe.

ACF movie night when?

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Henry C.'s avatar

We never got that 'The Boys' review Jack mentioned.

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MD Streeter's avatar

Here's a review: Garth Ennis HATES superheroes, wrote an awful comic dunking on them, and then it was turned into an even shittier TV show. Everyone's an irredeemable asshole. Thanks. I got the message.

Full disclosure: I love superhero comics. But I also love Preacher and Ennis' first couple Punisher runs. Go figure.

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Ice Age's avatar

You just described the whole CONCEPT of ironic deconstruction.

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Henry C.'s avatar

Yes, this. There has been enough capeshit for one lifetime. The black humor is refreshing. I could do without the current year character gender swaps and related changes. The showrunners are probably having an 'Archie Bunker' moment where, to their dismay, the 'villains' are well liked by the viewers.

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David Florida's avatar

Hellblazer, too. Ennis' take in Preacher was not a surprise after seeing that.

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Speed's avatar

JACK GET ON IT

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Oh yeah! I should do that.

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Plane's avatar

I wonder if the “throw it away” instead of fixing it mindset applies to our culture about the state of our country. It feels similar to folks who want to become expats or secede instead of doing something about the state of things. I admit to feeling this way sometimes.

That said, server racks won’t stubbornly resist, arrest you, or invent sexual assault allegations for trying to fix them.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

For the sake of my continued career.... yes that's totally true

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Speed's avatar

"server racks won’t stubbornly resist, arrest you, or invent sexual assault allegations for trying to fix them"

the "ai is real and a threat to humanity" retards will disagree with you on that

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Scott A's avatar

My nokia 6310 had predictive text. Or at least my razr did.

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Speed's avatar

mine does too

its still pretty stupid

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MD Streeter's avatar

Duck you.

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Scott A's avatar

I go back and forth on secession. On the one hand, a national divorce doesn't seem like a bad thing. On the other hand, the wrong parent is going to get custody of me!

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Ice Age's avatar

The only answers are bloody civil war or space colonization.

You know which way I'm leaning.

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Scott A's avatar

We have at least 2 for bloody civil war!

Much like that stupid teenage show "The 100" I say we send all the incels and cat ladies to space together. Let them duke it out up there.

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Ice Age's avatar

Maybe I wasn't clear....

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Scott A's avatar

Much like the expanse (season 1-3 are awesome) we're gonna colonize mars and then get into a nuclear war with them.

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Ice Age's avatar

While I like The Expanse, it's exemplary of modern sci fi.

Everything's dark & pessimistic and technological aspirations are blunted compared to old media (Weren't we supposed to have warp drive, interstellar society and artificial gravity by the 24th Century?).

We were once told that in the 21st Century, we'd rub elbows with a hundred alien races and think nothing of it. Now, we're told that the discovery of billion-year-old fossilized bacteria on Mars will shake our civilization to its core.

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dejal's avatar

The show ended with a whimper, unfortunately. They got a 2nd chance after being bounced from the SyFy channel, encountered success and became self-conscious about that success.

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Gianni's avatar

The Golgafrinchans had it right.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Presumably you could swap with some Nashville hipster...

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Julian's avatar

please do. we have way too many of them moving down here, electing a left wing DA and then wondering why college students get shot in the crossfire at 2:30pm in the afternoon....

It's why were moving out of Davidson County if we finally decide to settle in Nashville full time

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Plane's avatar

We had a civil war once over the secession question. It cost hundreds of thousands of lives to answer. I hope we do not have to ask it again.

I don’t believe separation would really make life better for most Americans. People hate each other for reasons couched mostly in cultural reasons and identity politics and this is encouraged by the uniparty. The same elite class would likely continue to rule both sets of places so you would have two weaker and still declining countries with the same shitty anti-industrial economic policies except you can be trans and get abortions in one while you can open carry firearms in the other.

It would also require a complete sacrifice of American hegemonic power. (Reader’s interpretation if this is good or bad).

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Ataraxis's avatar

Your story about leaving computer support reminds me of a book about Silicon Valley start ups. A guy in the book said he would leave a start up when they started to buy cheap pens.

The best line from the book was another guy’s justification for leaving a start up that was cutting back on its generous stock option packages: “Why work for Stalin if you can’t get a fur coat?”

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"A guy in the book said he would leave a start up when they started to buy cheap pens."

I can see the logic to that!

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Ataraxis's avatar

I worked for a boutique securities operation that was a small subsidiary of a huge corporation, and we had a semi-monopoly that just printed money like mad. I distinctly remember being in the regional manager’s plush corner office with the great view, and he was bitching to his hot Puerto Rican secretary on how she was spending too much on pens! He actually did the per pen calculation! Needless to say, I did not get a fur coat.

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Joe griffin's avatar

Absolutely

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Harry's avatar

I got about 5 minutes in and assumed it was about climate change and the guy with glasses was Leo. Couldn't go any farther into it. I wonder if I would have watched more if J-law went full frontal like her last rom-com. Probably not.

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Speed's avatar

isnt j-law jude law

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Scott A's avatar

Looks above.. God I hope not.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Jude Law and I have the same tailor... who has to work a LOT harder on my stuff.

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Harry's avatar

Has he been in anything since being a robot gigolo?

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Speed's avatar

being a gigolo usually means being in things i presume

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Scott A's avatar

J-Law does it for me.

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S2kChris's avatar

Same. I put the “Bone” in “Ken Bone” looking at her butthole pics.

Not literally of course

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Harry's avatar

Second best looking Mystique

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Ice Age's avatar

I had an epiphany the other day: I don't actually hate computers. I don't even hate software. Despite my volume of commentary on the matter, I realized it was true.

No, what I hate is the relentess neophilia that infects the geeks, nerds & dorks who write software. I hate the drive for New even though the Existing works fine and isn't broken.

This revelation slapped me hard in the face this weekend as I was filling out some straggler paperwork on my new car (2020 Mustang GT 6-speed) and I had to sign a few PDFs the dealership sent me.

Google Docs gave me a couple of app options and long story short, I had yet another experience with computers that left me in a white-hot, this-close-to-destroying-everything-in-the-room-rage.

What the hell was so dysfuctional about Acrobat that it wasn't good enough anymore? Jack and Shit, that's what.

My point here is that the whole subject of computers may literally result in the extinction of mankind. The intellectual horsepower of our society goes into Computers because that's where the money is (well, there and Law), and in the not-a-zero-or-a-minus chance that we have to deal with an extinction-level bolide impact, we won't have the spaceships we need to do it.

Because we kicked Neil Armstrong off the hero pedastal and replaced him with Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speed's avatar

We need to bully dorks even harder so they don't grow up to be the tards that change shit relentlessly.

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TL's avatar

As one of those dorks, revenge is sweet.

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Speed's avatar

STOP CHANGING SHIT

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Ice Age's avatar

SAY IT, BROTHER!!!

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Ice Age's avatar

Change isn't the problem.

The problem is change for change's sake, because we're nerds and we're bored with what we have, because it gives us power over others, because we fetishize knowledge, because we lack wisdom, because we're myopic and obsessive about our interests, because we're vengeful against normals, because we don't care who we hurt as we pursue our interests and because we want what we want.

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TL's avatar

In all seriousness, random UI changes for no purpose probably annoy technical IT people more than anybody else. We are the ones who end up having to retrain our coworker, friends, and worst of all parents. In an organization that doesn't produce software as a product that retraining has very real and sometimes huge costs. That hurts our bottom line and keeps IT staff from being able to do something that adds value to the business.

So why does it happen? In software as a product companies having your UI look "dated" can be a sales nightmare. And since visible changes there are often faster and easier (with less potential to actually break the product) than non-visible code fixes to actual broken parts of the software they are going to get approved and pushed. In my experience the UI folks also have a tendency to be more "artsy" and young. Folks who by their nature respond positively to visible change.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I have just five words about this phenomenon:

admin

dot

google

dot

com

fuck them

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sgeffe's avatar

I opened Google Maps on my iPhone today and..WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???!!! Everything is GREEN!!! 🤬🤬

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Eric L.'s avatar

But, see, I am a computer programmer and work with/"manage" a bunch of them. They _aren't_ dorks any more. The super-smart, socially maladjusted types who built the backbone of all the software powering our world today? They're gone. The new breed of programmer is a Scott Locklin-danger-hair social studies graduate who went to a Javascript coding bootcamp after realizing a full-time job at Starbucks won't pay back $200,000 in student loans. (This is pre-Covid, when you still had to pay back those pesky things)

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"The new breed of programmer is a Scott Locklin-danger-hair social studies graduate who went to a Javascript coding bootcamp after realizing a full-time job at Starbucks won't pay back $200,000 in student loans."

Sir, are you trying to convince me that there is a meaningful percentage of white people in coding jobs?

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Eric L.'s avatar

At woke companies, yes. You've dallied more in the huge, Indian IT department scene, which I try to avoid thinking about. That sort of developer would impact your Adobe Acrobat woes, but not so much your Facegoomazon experience, I wouldn't think.

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Colin's avatar

As someone getting out of the military, is there any value in going to any programming/IT tule classes? I’m proficient in word app, but I wouldn’t mine knowing more how computers and the internet work/are structured. To go along w my construction and mechanical knowledge bases I guess.

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Eric L.'s avatar

Absolutely. First, to see whether your brain can program or can't. It's a controversial opinion, but I read some convincing whitepapers out of Oxford (before dropping out of my computer science program, ahem) that humans seem to be able to contort their brains to speak to machines, or they can't. There were no successful methods developed by the mid 00s that could teach people programming beyond like a 25% success rate. It's possible to just barely eke out a career in computer programming *without knowing how to program a computer,* but you almost exclusively have to be a double minority to pull that off.

On generic "IT" classes: Maybe. There are still a bunch of US-based roles that cover fixing broken computers (domestically or for data centers and colos), managing cloud servers (Linux), managing hospital IT systems (Windows), and even managing specific pieces of software (Atlassian's Jira; Epic's EPIC EMR; Salesforce's Salesforce; SAP, Oracle, and Microsoft's ERPs), and doing "security."

Even better, there is a lot of private DoD contracting money that's looking for those roles (developing new software or managing existing software) that will always(?) be US-based and require various security clearances. Those would be your best bet.

There's network engineering, which is another popular one for ex-DoD dudes as there are so many different kinds of telecommunication niches they teach the enlisted. Being Cisco network certified and junk like that; working for internet service providers (either residential or the mystic, invisible backbones of the internet itself)... you name it. Then you can move to Boise and work in Facebook's newest data center in rural Kuna, Idaho. They're desperate for on-site network engineers!

So doing some cursory research into "what even is 'IT'? What roles are out there?" and then maybe taking some classes to give more info on what those roles actually *do* would be invaluable for crossing possibilities off your list.

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Ice Age's avatar

Fine.

The nerds are gone, then let's go back to Terra Mechanica.

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Boom's avatar

While I agree with you in principle - some of this was Adobe's fault by pricing and nickel and diming every useful feature so high that others feel they can fill a gap.

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Ice Age's avatar

I just want things TO WORK.

Software is just a tool, and I don't have to fight my wrenches and hammers and screwdrivers when I want to use THEM.

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Scott A's avatar

The endless authentications for shit that does not need to be authenticated! I don't care if someone hacks my netflix account! Passsword12345 should be acceptable on almost everything that doesn't have access to my bank accounts or stored credit cards.

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Ice Age's avatar

A-FUCKING-MEN.

I'm only using this app because I HAVE TOO, THIS ONE TIME. I don't want to set up an account, or think up YET ANOTHER password.

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sgeffe's avatar

Somehow I earned a refund on my Nationwide auto insurance. To get it, you have to “claim” it..by creating a J.P. Morgan account! Or they’ll send you a paper check. So..

1. Why can’t that be credited to my next renewal? (If I choose to move to another carrier, THEN deal with it! If that choice ISN’T made for me, a few bucks probably isn’t gonna matter anyway!)

2. If nothing else, DEPOSIT THE FUNDS INTO THE ACCOUNT USED TO MAKE THE PREMIUM PAYMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! (If it’s a bank account.)

I’ve said that passwords are the bane of my existence before. I HAVE gone into iPhone-spiking RAGES when something goes wrong with setting up yet another account with byzantine password requirements that guarantee that I couldn’t begin to remember the first part of it! (There’s something specific that usually doesn’t work on the phone which will work on a desktop browser, and usually by the time the realization hits, I’m already down the rabbit hole on the phone, and my volcanic temper has already gone from zero to about forty, and the vehicle taking it to triple digits is a Tesla in Ludicrous Mode!)

And yes, even as a systems analyst with 30 years in the biz, I repeat passwords on sites, and absolutely LOATHE Multi-Factor Authentication and other crap that keeps you tethered in order to accomplish anything!

I’d also love to be able to shove the software “subscription” model up the ass of the jagoff who invented the idea for mass-market stuff!

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Ice Age's avatar

They purposely make it difficult to claim refunds, credits and rebates in the hope you'll consider it too inconvenient to collect and give up.

Did you ever see that commercial for either FedEx or UPS where the guy runs through the office looking for his boss, holding a nickel and telling everyone he runs into, "A NICKEL!" ?

And when he finds his boss, he explains that he figured out a way to save a nickel on each shipment. And his boss is all happy, too.

To a corporate manager who thinks in terms of financial absolutism and economies of scale, the couple hundred bucks they sent you is worth the effort to make you want to give up and not claim it.

A lot of people do, and the company pockets it as pure profit.

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dejal's avatar

In 2021 I signed up for Medicare "A". Wasn't going to retire, so no reason for "B" at the time. Did it online.

2 years later. Going to retire. In that time CHANGED PHONE NUMBERS. Login. They want to send a text message to the phone #. Can't do that. The best they can do is cancel the Social Security Administration log in and start over. Takes 24 hours. 36 hour later still can't get in.

After 90 minutes of "Your call is important to us" the woman on the other end takes care of business. I open a new account. CAN'T USE THE SAME E-MAIL ADDRESS AS BEFORE. Luckily I have 3 or 4. The humans at the SSA are fine. The system? Not so much.

Could have went to the local SSA office I suppose. Take a number. 3 security guards. They wand you for weapons. They also make you sit down, take your shoes off and wand the bottom of your feet under your socks and your shoes.

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Scott A's avatar

I have so many aliases on my company email address for this very reason. s.a@companyname.com scott.a@companyname.com scotta@companyname.com. I used to keep all my work email and personal emails separate but since I really can't get fired anymore the fear of a lawsuit and discovery is worth less than the hassle.

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Ice Age's avatar

Because why would anyone want to shoot up a Social Security office?

All that security says more about them than us.

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dejal's avatar

Frustrated people taking it out on a human representative of the government.

The last 3 weeks have been extremely stressful for getting Medicare "B", and Advantage plan by Nov 1st. One freaking sheet of paper from work. Form CMS L564. I ended up going to the SSA office to drop it off in person. It's where I saw the security system in place. Sat in the waiting room for an hour.

While waiting, shooting the breeze with a couple trying to fix identity theft. Saw multiple people with paperwork in bins that were a couple of inches thick.

If you know anyone nearing retirement, make sure they get Form CMS L564 from work. I told the HR VP, that once someone sets a retirement date, give the person the paperwork. Tell the person, that they can chuck it if they want, but if they want to apply for "B" they will probably need it. It proves you had insurance at your work place. Just give them the paperwork regardless of what they plan on doing with it.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORM?

In order to apply for Medicare in a Special Enrollment

Period, you must have or had group health plan coverage

within the last 8 months through your or your spouse’s

current employment. People with disabilities must have large

group health plan coverage based on your, your spouse’s or

a family member’s current employment.

This form is used for proof of group health care coverage

based on current employment. This information is needed to

process your Medicare enrollment application.

The employer that provides the group health plan coverage

completes the information about your health care coverage

and dates of employment.

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JMcG's avatar

A coworker waited in line for 50 minutes at the SS office just yesterday. When he finally saw someone, it was only to be told that they don’t do Medicare enrollment without an appointment.

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Speed's avatar

figured out why someone would want to shoot up an ss office

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JMcG's avatar

You and Guy Clark.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Don't they have a SUBSCRIPTION MODEL now to read and edit a flippin' PDF?

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Ice Age's avatar

"So what do you do here, Yogurt?"

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Al Doland's avatar

Made me so mad I ripped it all off my machines and went out and bought PDF-XChange.

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Eric L.'s avatar

Okay, old man, you've needed FULL, $500 ADOBE ACROBAT PRO to sign PDFs for at least 15 years now. Why do you think Docusign and clones are a business? Anyone who writes a PDF signature app wants money for it, because PDF sucks.

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Ice Age's avatar

Yes, they do.

The wanting money AND the sucking.

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Ice Age's avatar

I like how you compared Linux to archaeology and hoarder therapy, and I absolutely think you're right about standardization being of paramount importance.

Get one common foundation squared away, then let everyone build on it, instead of 53 different conflicting pilings trying to hold up the building.

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Scott A's avatar

I'm the dumb scott. He's the smart scott

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Ice Age's avatar

Oh.

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Robert Shelton's avatar

My condolences for you suffering through this flic, Jack. When this flic came out, after seeing the trailer I knew there was no fucking way I'd ever watch it.

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Ice Age's avatar

People trash "Armageddon," but I've yet to see a more inspirational movie.

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Scott A's avatar

Armageddon and independence day are both awesome movies. The Rock too. Not everything needs to be Shakespeare.

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Ice Age's avatar

The real villain in that movie was the US government. If they'd dealt in good faith, none of the movie's events would've happened.

Wrongly imprisoned a man without trial for decades, conducted & then covered up illegal military operations, weaseled out of paying survivors' benefits, alienated a decorated war hero badly enough that he caused a terrorist incident and then tried to end the mess by shooting through dozens of hostages?

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Scott A's avatar

Might as well be a documentary.

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Ice Age's avatar

Oh, come ON.

What real general has enough conviction to do what Hummel did?

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Ice Age's avatar

Does a movie entertain?

If it does, then it's a good movie.

Fuck the Jay Shermans of the world.

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Alan's avatar

How do you sleep at night?

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Ice Age's avatar

On top of a large pile of money, with many beautiful women.

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Harry's avatar

Penguins can't fly! And this one's been drinking!

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Ice Age's avatar

I don't care how many stewardesses you've bagged, you're still a lousy pilot!

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Jack Baruth's avatar

The Rock was close to Shakespeare, really. You certainly had a brilliant set of actors there.

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S2kChris's avatar

And also, Nicholas Cage.

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Ice Age's avatar

Who reminds me of a mouse studying to become a rat.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

I dare you to name a Cage movie that would have been better with someone else. Like... Con Air with Keanu Reeves? Impossible.

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Scott A's avatar

If you have not seen "The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent" I highly recommend it

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Robert Shelton's avatar

What about "Leaving Las Vegas?" A man dies drunk in bed have sex with a gorgeous hooker. Hollywood just can't make a movie with a happy ending like that anymore.

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Robert Shelton's avatar

having, not have, of course.

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JMcG's avatar

I must have lost 4 wedding rings that way.

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Harry's avatar

I remember Elizabeth Shue in that role. A gorgeous hooker would have made the movie for me.

If as a commentariat were going to dump and Lauren Sanchez, Shue does not get a pass. Except in The Boys.

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Alan's avatar

Yeah. If I want inspirational hooker movies, I'll watch Risky Business.

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

I like Doctor Detroit with Dan Ackroyd.

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David Florida's avatar

Sure, it's just southeast Michigan. But it's home.

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sgeffe's avatar

I associate any Las Vegas-sited movie with Nicolas Cage!

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Scott A's avatar

And I thought the whole movie was about <s>global cooling</s> <s>global warming</s> CLIMATE CHANGE. I only made it ten minutes into the movie before I turned it off. 3 years of covid and I'm noticing mask use is back up. Some people never learn.

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sgeffe's avatar

Especially the ones who are in their vehicles!

By themselves!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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Boom's avatar

I'm glad I did not watch this trash. The hype made me watch the trailer and the question that popped in my head was

Jennifer Lawrence - Astrophysics PHD student?

Dicaprio - Astrophysicist?

Who the fuck does these castings. I cannot with infinite suspension of disbelief see those two as high IQ people.

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Jack Baruth's avatar

No, but the movie was made for people whose idea of "high IQ people" is Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Ice Age's avatar

I don't know about you, but I always thought Michio Kaku's about half a notch above that "Ancient Aliens" guy.

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TL's avatar

Kaku has much better hair.

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Harry's avatar

Fighting words.

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Ice Age's avatar

That ain't sayin' much.

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dejal's avatar

I ride and die with Giorgio A. Tsoukalos.

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Scott A's avatar

More believable than Denise Richards

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Boom's avatar

Disagree, only cause Denise Richards doesn't look like a bimbo with glasses.

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Scott A's avatar

Go watch "The world is not enough" and get back to me

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Boom's avatar

I have, still agree to disagree.

Jennifer Lawrence is 10/10 bimbo.

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Ice Age's avatar

Jennifer Lawrence is too angular to be a bimbo.

She's got too much of a Sarah Jessica Parker thing going on.

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Boom's avatar

I thought there were two requirements to be called that word. Correct me if wrong.

Very attractive

Demonstrably stupid

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Jack Baruth's avatar

TOTAL.

NUCLEAR.

MELTDOWN.

I thought Christmas only came once a year.

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Scott A's avatar

Off the top of my head, it has to be the worst James Bond movie ever made.

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TL's avatar

You seem to have blocked out the Timothy Dalton movies.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

When I am flipping channels on the car radio the only thing that makes my fingers move faster than Kars 4 Kids is hearing "In this movie, my character..."

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TL's avatar

I've decided the Kars 4 Kids commercial is deliberately annoying. Only by being that annoying could they get you to not notice (for at least the first dozen plays anyway) that they never say what donating your car will do for kids.

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dejal's avatar

1 877 Kars 4 Kids

K-A-R-S Kars for Kids

1-877 Kars 4 Kids

Donate your car today

Also on the web

At Kars4Kids.com

That's Kars with a K

Www.kars4kids.com

1-800-KARS-4-KIDS

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AK47isthetool's avatar

I wish it were possible to downvote a post. And we still don't know what donating the car will do for the kids.

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dejal's avatar

I only listen when in the car. I usually tell the radio to STFU.

My personal hatred is the "Just One Thing" radio commercials for the environment. The worst is Christmas lights. How everyone should dump their incandescents for LEDs. Leading to E-waste over an item that is used maybe 4 weeks a year for 4 hours a day. Taking a perfectly usable product, dumping it, buying a replacement product to maybe save a dime over a decade.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

The bunker fuel used to haul that garbage from China is worse than me lighting a little joy in my life for a couple weeks a year. Miss me with that bullshit.

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Speed's avatar

teaching children to commit vehicular felonies

they like it

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Scott A's avatar

I wonder if clicking "report" does anything

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Acd's avatar

I’d like to think that at some point an investigation will find that they have been doing horrible things with the money from those donated cars and that they’ll be shut down so we never have to hear that commercial again.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

Maybe human trafficking? Like it's secretly run by Jared from Subway and they give you a Kid 4 your Kar but nobody knows because decent folk can't stand the commercial.

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Scott A's avatar

KARS 4 KIDS, INC. FUNDS EDUCATIONAL AND YOUTH PROGRAMS FOR JEWISH CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. OUR FULL SUITE OF PROGRAMS INCLUDES SCHOOL PLACEMENT AND TUITION ASSISTANCE, MENTORSHIP AND EXTRACURRICULAR PROGRAMS, FAMILY RETREATS

https://www.kars4kidsprograms.org/img/file-2022.pdf

121 mm of funding.

I need a jingle

1877-Give scott cash

1877 give scott cash

1877 give scott cash

give scott cash today

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Speed's avatar

120 million and its's just for jews?

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Scott A's avatar

That's what the 990 says

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dejal's avatar

Their web site does say:

Your car impacts ids lives.

A child's life is his home, school, friends and community. It takes a positive experience in all arenas to build a healthy child. We're a registered nonprofit Jewish organization who, together with Oorah, our sister charity, help thousands of children develop into productive members of the community.

Nothing wrong with that, but a bit disingenuous that we all seem to hate the radio ad, which hasn't changed for decades and they never mention it.

Still, if the giver, gives based on tax reasons and doesn't care the who and why of the recipients, it's no big deal.

WIKI:

Criticism

The organization has been criticized for inadequately disclosing its Jewish educational work.[42][43] In 2009, Joy for Our Youth paid $65,000 in fines in Pennsylvania;[44] while Kars4Kids paid $65,000 in fines in Oregon[45] in settlements reached with the respective state attorneys general as a result of their contention that the organization had to state clearly that the beneficiaries were of a "certain religious affiliation." In Oregon, the attorney general added that Kars4Kids failed to disclose that its offer of a "free vacation" for vehicle donors was designed to recruit people to attend timeshare presentations.[45]

In 2017, Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson conducted a compliance review and submitted a 300-page report to the Internal Revenue Service. The report found that 44% of funds raised by Kars4Kids went to program expenses, and most of that money had gone to its sister organization Oorah, whose concentration in New York and New Jersey meant only one Minnesota child was believed to have benefited from one of its programs in the years 2012–2014. The report also mentioned the charity had lost money in real estate investments in the financial crisis of 2008 and may have been a victim of losses from a Ponzi scheme.[46]

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Ronnie Schreiber's avatar

Mayim Bialik, Dolph Lundgren, and Brian May all have credible hard science advanced degrees. Not everyone in show business is an idiot.

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Boom's avatar

I'm well aware, some don't need me to look their credentials up to know they're stupid.

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redlineblue's avatar

Honestly thought it was a climate-change parable, more than/instead of a Covid one. Interestingly, this new light does nothing to change my perception ('there's a couple low-return hours.').

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Ross McLaughlin's avatar

Agreed, I didn't think it was about COVID in any way at all - it was about as unsubtle of a climate change nod as I can imagine. That movie was absolutely awful though. The only silver linings were getting to look at Jennifer Lawrence and Cate Blanchett.

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Mr Furious's avatar

I think it *was* intended as a climate change parable, I don’t think they could have released it in time for COVID otherwise. It just works for whatever the ignore/obsess science debate of the moment is.

Unless Fauci was working with the directors... 🤔

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Jack Baruth's avatar

They didn't start filming until the end of 2020, when TRUST THE SCIENCE was in full swing. I agree that the genesis of the film was climate change. Either way, the central assumption holds; "climate science" is like being an economist in the sense that you can't really do much science.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

And both are dismal pursuits.

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Adam 12's avatar

Totally missed this movie but didn’t miss the last three years. Unfortunately. Sounds like Idiocracy will be a better predictor of future events than Don’t Look Up will.

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A. Brooks's avatar

I'm not agreeing with the way "science community" handled the pandemic, but mRNA and epidemiology research have been going on for decades and can hardly be called science-adjacent. Those factors are essential to gene theory and our continued understanding of the human body

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"mRNA and epidemiology research have been going on for decades and can hardly be called science-adjacent."

I hear what you're saying, but compared to orbital math these things ARE science-adjacent. Ask yourself: would you rather bet your life on the 1801 orbital mechanics math or the truth of either field mentioned above?

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A. Brooks's avatar

I see what you are saying but science or not isn't really a relative thing, its more about the process by which the information/field was derived. Just because you cant make an equation out of it doesn't make it not a science- it's not math sure

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Jack Baruth's avatar

If you can't test a theory, it's not really science.

If your data doesn't pass a confidence test, it's not really science.

Climate science is woefully short on usable data and it has been shown more than once to be driven by politics and external factors.

Developing vaccines is closer to engineering than science, unless you can really test and determine the method. A lot of psychotropics are not really science because you're black-boxing the human body.

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A. Brooks's avatar

mRNA and epidemiology theories can most certainly be tested

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JMcG's avatar

Why was I assured that the vaccines were going to stop the spread of Covid? After that was demonstrated to be untrue, why was I then told that the vaccines would mitigate the effects of Covid; something that was completely unfalsifiable?

Whatever about the biology, but public health is 100% unscientific.

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A. Brooks's avatar

mRNA research goes far beyond the mrna vaccines used for covid.

also, I'd rather not go down the covid vaccine route, bc I also don't agree with the way it was implemented, but since you said it- could you please show me a source for how it was demonstrated to be untrue/ineffective? and not a news article or blog post please. I'm not going to pretend that science literature and review is without its problems but some review is still better than nothing

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Not the way you can test orbital mechanics.

How many highly effective drugs on the market are eventually found to work in a completely different way from the theory that launched them?

My point is that there is unimpeachable, works-every-time-like-Colt-45 science, and then there's kinda-sorta science, and then there's social science, and then there's climate science.

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Eleutherios's avatar

Late to the party. Here's my two cents:

My contention is that academic dishonesty and incompetence is the main culprit for your taxonomy of science, not something intrinsic to the disciplines. Sure, there are different degrees of certainty and complexity in each discipline, but that simply demands clearer communication about methods and results. In a perfect world, the populace would understand the value of statistics and logic. As it is, few scientists even understand statistics enough to comprehend their own studies, so you inevitably get idiot scientists telling politicians that their glacier/SSRI models are as precise and useful as orbital mechanics.

Ignoring the political side of things, orbital mechanics seems like better science because we're just not asking much of its models. The math breaks down at scales and levels of precision that NASA doesn't care about, nor should it. Most climatologists/evolutionary biologists/psychologists/etc. formulate questions and treat their models as responsibly as a Saudi teen tafheets his Accord. Why the hell we're cranking out PhDs with no concept of this is beyond me. They're not scientists.

That was too long of a comment. I rival you in grumpiness towards a former profession.

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Robert Shelton's avatar

And, by the way, the government needs to abolish the student loan program for college education. Not "reform" it, abolish it. If you need to get a loan for college, demonstrate to your local bank that you've worked hard, behaved yourself, got good grades and high SATs in high school, and plan to major in a field where the odds are good that you'll make enough money to actually repay the loan.

It would be amazing how fast college costs would come down when there's no demand for Hamas-loving professors of worthless fields of study and the entire DEI staff is eliminated because students go to college to learn a marketable skill.

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Speed's avatar

Sounds like college would turn full STEM pretty quick.

Politics hardly matters when your entire field is shitcanned for being pointless. The DIE needs to leave, stat.

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Ataraxis's avatar

The NC university system will no longer hand out “distinguished professorships” for non-STEM fields. The indoctrinators are up in arms, which is very satisfying.

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Speed's avatar

lmao stay mad

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JMcG's avatar

They’ll get their way. In a few years, someone will notice that Distinguished Professors are disproportionately White or Asian males and that will be the end of that.

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JMcG's avatar

The first result of that would be to water down the hard sciences to ensure the correct mix of students graduates. It’s already happening. Group assignments, take home tests, etc.

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Speed's avatar

The amount of leeway certain students get, especially in regards to writing, is mind blowing. I'm not sure you'd believe some of the stuff I've seen firsthand.

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AK47isthetool's avatar

Are you attacking my ILP? I am reporting you to Admin!!!!

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Speed's avatar

i have no idea what that means

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AK47isthetool's avatar

Forgot the "you" in my haste. ILP is "individual learning plan." In general I am not overly sympathetic to teachers but one thing that they do have to put up with is parents reporting them to administration if they think little Timmy didn't get the extra three hours he needed to complete his test per his ILP.

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A. Brooks's avatar

The only thing that will do is make college even more selective for financial privilege. There are plenty of people who take on loans for STEM degrees and plan to do useful things with them.

I'm sure the reason is around is that it is actually profitable. Fed student loan interest rates were over 6% when the fed rate was under 1. People would often be better using a private lender

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Jack Baruth's avatar

"The only thing that will do is make college even more selective for financial privilege."

I can easily make the argument that only smart people and rich people should go to college. Seriously. And most of THOSE people would be better off if they spent four years hiking the Alps.

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Scott A's avatar

You need 150 hours to become a CPA. And after those 150 hours are you ready to sit for the CPA exam? Hell no! You don't really learn shit in school so now you have to pay 5k for a review course and study 40 hours a week working an entry level job where you're supposed to put in 60 hours a week. Accounting should be a 2 year trade school and an apprenticeship.

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Speed's avatar

Dumb question, but why can't you write the CPA exam after classes are done?

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Scott A's avatar

The exam is a lot harder and more in depth than college accounting courses.

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Gianni's avatar

I let mine lapse years ago. Have they started to call for the dumbing down of the exam like they are doing for the Bar?

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Speed's avatar

Noted, thanks. I was advised to look at getting a CPA + mech. eng. degree to do costing a the big 3 for 150k salary. Apparently there's barely anyone left to do that.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Scott, you got off easy. The State of Illinois requires 1500 hours (!) of “theory and practical study” for a hairstylist or cosmetologist.

https://apps.illinoisworknet.com/cis/clusters/OccupationDetails/100094?parentId=111000&section=license&sectionTitle=Licensing%20%2F%20Certification

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Scott A's avatar

We have the training requirement too. It basically means working for someone else for a year which is more than 1500 hours

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Ataraxis's avatar

Hotter chicks at the beauty salon.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

The CFO of a client of mine - a VERY interesting client that has disrupted a global industry and is also wildly profitable on 10 figures of revenue with ZERO VC funding - has a high school education. He learned accounting “on the job” earlier in his career.

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Scott A's avatar

At this point, the complexity is just to keep the eggheads at the AICPA employed.

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Sherman McCoy's avatar

I took a lot of accounting in college, despite the fact that I had two other majors (Classics and Econ).

As I recall, the two intro classes, the two intermediate classes, and advanced financial class, as well as a few electives.

I was close to being “qualified” to sit for the CPA exam based on the coursework I had taken and the fact that I had far more than 150 credits at graduation (I placed out of 8 intro classes through AP tests in high school, I went to summer school after my freshman year, and I took a 150% courseload each year after the first). Somehow, it was “free” to take all of those extra classes over my 4 years.

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Speed's avatar

ill pretend for a sec that im one of those smart people

why would i spend four years in the alps

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Jack Baruth's avatar

You'd learn more about other people, and yourself, than you would in school. If you read for two hours every night, you'd be better educated as well.

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Speed's avatar

damn i messed up then lol

at least i can try and rectify the reading (other than this site and engineering papers)

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Josh Howard's avatar

That would likely... uh... produce a lot more beautiful kids. That's for sure. "backpacking"

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Hex168's avatar

Only smart people and rich people should go to college, but only if high schools would do their damn jobs again.

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Scott A's avatar

Two generations have absolutely been gutted by the ridiculous loan policies. Millennials and now Gen Z. I'm not sure how bad Gen X had it regarding loans but hey, they got screwed everywhere else.

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TL's avatar

As a Gen Xer who graduated with ~$30k in student loans (1995), some of us were hosed too. When I graduated my market rate loans were at 12% and interest had started the day I took them out. Starting salary for an entry level IT worker in Seattle or Portland was in the $20k-$30k range at that time. Fortunately for me the .com boom happened a couple short years later and 10%-25% annual raises became a thing. That combined with roommates and driving 10+ year old cars until my mid-30s let me pay them all off in seven years.

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anatoly arutunoff's avatar

didn't the gov't take banks completely outta the college loan business around '10 or so?

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Jack Baruth's avatar

Profits are privatized, losses are subsidized.

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Scott A's avatar

There are no losses because they never write the things off! The kid who makes 17 an hour is going to pay off his loans in the year 2321

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Mike's avatar

Not anymore, paid for way too many years on a 3,000 dollar student loan at $50 a month. The 40,000 dollar one I am paying now is only $25.71. Even if I live another 30 years I won't touch the principal.

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Scott A's avatar

That's my point. If any private company did what the government is doing, the executives would be in jail for fraud. The loans are in default, that should be recognized.

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Mike's avatar

I misinterpreted what you were trying to say and I agree that only the government can do what they are doing and it shouldn't be for any dumbfuck who wants to study basketweaving. Unless you play sports. Lmao.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Those East and West Coast ocean front mansions don’t build themselves!

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JMcG's avatar

That’s why we’re letting millions of construction workers cross the southern border.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Top men!

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Ataraxis's avatar

Yes, I believe the money goes to Obamacare.

Funny but the Dems are still listing “affordable health care” as a party plank.

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Scott A's avatar

Jerry Seinfeld joke: It's not affordable. It's not healthcare. Laugh track.

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JMcG's avatar

That guy makes my skin crawl. He’s like a real life Caillou.

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Scott A's avatar

I cannot stand him or his stupid show. I never understood why anyone found him funny

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Jack Baruth's avatar

To be fair, he was the "straight man" in a show that was popular IN SPITE OF him. Half of the time he couldn't even keep a straight face during filming. Larry David was the creative talent in the show and the other three cast regulars, plus Wayne Knight, were what made it watchable IMO.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Universities must be on the hook for their student's loans via their endowments.

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Paul Alexander's avatar

"In retrospect, America could have used a bit more partisanship, a bit more ignorance, a bit more unfounded skepticism regarding COVID-19."

I think there was plenty of ignorance, but I think there wasn't enough acknowledgement of it that was the problem.

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Thomas Kreutzer's avatar

I have never heard of this movie until this minute. I thought I was sort of "with it" but now I have realized that I am totally "without it."

I guess I am OK with that...

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Ataraxis's avatar

No good comes out of following the popular culture.

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countymountie's avatar

Same here. And it's a damn shame I'm never going to see it. But then Smokey and the Bandit won't watch itself for the 259th time so you can understand my dilemma.

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Joe griffin's avatar

No one who didn’t get the jab regrets it, there were plenty of news sources that led counterpoint on the issue, when every second or third message implores you to do something the government wants, maybe you should take a few minutes to analyze the situation....in the mold of global warming, the countless we are running out of oil scares or anything else.

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Scott A's avatar

The full on covid jab policies made me very suspect of my kids jabs schedule. I have heard enough horror stories from other parents to not trust the official CDC schedule at all.

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Joe griffin's avatar

Autism rates have risen at a very fast pace, I suspect the vax schedules.

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Scott A's avatar

The official schedule has them giving 3-4 shots at the same time. It is insane. The reason for this? They don't trust poor people to take their kids to the doctor once a month but if we had different schedules for soccer moms who have plenty of time and single moms who don't, the entire west would fall to racism.

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Joe griffin's avatar

Agreed

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Donkey Konger's avatar

And there has never been a single study (not that the existing studies were comparisons against inert, saline, placebo) on multiple-vaccine-in-one-day administration.

We simply don't know what the results could be. Children ARE the study group.

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Speed's avatar

i thought it was the food dyes

ive been microdosing red 5 via cheetos in hopes that i can unlock the next level of autism

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Scott A's avatar

If you unlock the final level of autism, your hair turns bright blond

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Speed's avatar

and screaming

that helps too

thats how you become super aryan

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CLN's avatar

Cheetos helps unlock the next level, but you do need to lick off your fingers in the right order.

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John Van Stry's avatar

There is no one at the CDC who does real science anymore or who understands diseases. They're just another political cluster fuck and need to be shut down permanently.

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Ataraxis's avatar

The CDC website is a hoot! It’s like a PSA for imbeciles.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Example question:

Why is hepatitis B vaccine on the schedule? My kid is not going to be an IV drug user or prostitute. Why then must that shot be administered THREE TIMES before 19 months age?

The schedule, even before COVID and other laughingstock-"you cant get that if you try" vaccinations such as DENGUE FEVER were added - does not stand up to the most basic scrutiny.

That they make schooling conditional on it constitutes a crime against humanity

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Scott A's avatar

The hepatitis B one does make some sense (not a ton) because the degenerates at daycare or school may have druggy or prostitute parents and those kids might bite yours. But why is it on the first day they are born? Insane! We didn't do any vaccines till 12 weeks. Now my friends are calling me "Your on an alternative schedule right, can you tell me more?" The polio vaccine? Ok, i get that. Polio cripples children. The Chickenpox? We all got it and did just fine.

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Donkey Konger's avatar

Wait till you read about the trials.

Guess what. No *true placebo* controls, no monitoring after ~90 days typically, no long-term followup, no SCIENCE .

Why here's video of one of the premier vaccine scientists on the planet, Stanley Plotkin, attesting to a study lasting 48 HOURS and the "control" not being an inert (saline) placebo at all

https://nitter.net/Inversionism/status/1693770195255320909#m

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Scott A's avatar

Yeah, I knew that a real control study is never done. It's circular reasoning all the way down. I assume some of them work because small pox and polio are gone but then I've seen arguments that can be explained away by sanitation. When the local kids don't get them, we get some meningitis outbreak every few years. If you don't "trust the science" that isn't science implicitly, they'll call you a denier.

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